Richard Spencer - I look at Kyle Rittenhouse and I want to beat him up

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We have more in common with liberal Elites in NYC than Christian Conservatives like Kyle. - RS

You should like elites that fund blm rather than plebs who actually fight them

I think there should be no doubt as to who is a federal agent. There are some telltale signs:

Supports covid lockdowns and lunacy

Supports and voted for Biden

Takes the side of liberal elites against common working class people.

Pro Feminism

Pro Macron

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    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The World is mad because they watch their monoliths. Go outside and meditate.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    You completely missed the point here, he's saying he doesn't stand for anything the GOP does so he doesn't care to take their side. What he's saying is exactly right IF you are a dissident and not just a GOPcel larping. What do normiecons care about? SMALL GUBMINT, LESS TAXES FOR BILLIONAIRES, FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT, MUH MUSLIMS WE NEED WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST etc etc. These people are the antithesis of nationalism, every position on the left is a watered down/co-opted form of our position whereas every position on the right is just the exact opposite of ours.

    If you have more in common with the GOP than you do with the Dems regarding the things he's referring to then you're not 'alt' or 'dissident' you're just part of the right.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I rarely disagree with you Markimus but have to here.

    I think a solid chunk of conservatives are actually moving towards the dissident right. We need to take notice and stop acting like spurned old maids that hate everything about the GOP. Sure there's still a ton of RINOs and Neocons and normiecons but millions of right wingers are chanting fuck fox in the streets, fuck (((gates vaccines))), and listening to Vince and JF give speeches around the country. We should embrace this shift even if it's not full fash. It's a good sign when conservatives are pissed off and feel like the republic is lost and need answers. Spencer has been spending years whining the republicans ignore jewish power and racialism and now they are showing signs of awakening and he turns away? Sounds fishy to me.

    There's a youtuber named 'heck off commie' that's striking a nice tone of embracing the changing conservative mood and directing it in a smart way. He recently did a video where he told conservatives to stop worshiping police because they are just extensions of ZOG. That's an important message to get out to republicans amongst others.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This.

    The DR should try to embrace the masses of disillusioned normies instead of acting like high nosed aristocrats.

    It would make sense if Spencer and his lackeys were actual elites with any pull. They are all losers with no accomplishments

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    if theyre getting tired of the gop and we're showing them we hate the gop and we're the actual group that stand for what they care about how is it a bad thing?

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I actually reluctantly agree with him even if the anti-Christian stuff does rub me the wrong way. I still do have sympathy for the likes of Sandmann and Rittenhouse not least because part of the reason they get railroaded is that the system actually mistakes them for us. But Spencer's right they would hate us if exposed to our ideas every bit as much as the system who is persecuting them and therein lies the tragedy.

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      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I get Spencer's point about these two having dead end ideologies. The way he is making his point is lousy, though.

      This exactly. He's done a good medium rare steak then put like some tinned vegetables and that weird add water to powder mashed potatoes thing with it. The overall point of these people having nothing to do with us is spot on but him going on some weird autistic tangent about victimisers and saying he wants to beat up some kid is just retarded.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      I disagree here man, it doesn't apply to Kyle at all, he made the world better place by funny momenting those pedophiles.

      Conservatives actually initially said typical shit you'd expect, like how he's murderer, how they helped shot antifas, etc.

      The fact that he did that in a fully legal self-defense (which conservatives always gloat about), and he's getting shat on by both sides, just shows true colors of these people.

      If Spencer in this case sympathizes with jewish system (victimizers as he calls them), he's straight up retarded. There's really nothing to gain for shitting on the victim of jewry.

      EDIT: TL;DR conservatives got on Kyle train just after they saw it was safe, there's no reason to be conservative-contrarian just for its own sake.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      there's no reason to be conservative-contrarian just for its own sake.

      Thank you. Well said and couldn't agree more.

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        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Exact same thing happened with the Covington kids.

        [–]Wrangel 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I agree that Rittenhouse has a lot of bad ideas and I find GOP politics to be awful but Rittenhouse is young and his heart is in the right place so I will still support him.

        [–]Minedwe 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

        If anything, we have MORE in common with ChristDems/Christcons than secularist cuckservatives, because at least usually those people are socially right and economically left.

        Overall, I think Spencer is very cringe and should be avoided. However this 'muh federal agent" shit is retarded, the Feds would be pushing MORE extreme shit they could use to demonize and arrest us, not push liberalism to attempt to "de-radicalize" people. Normal, stupid people or unenlightened people do in fact exist, even in our movement or sattelite movements to ours.

        However Spencer definitely is unenlightened and straight-up retarded sometimes (increasingly, more like "oftentimes"...) and says dumb shit. Mainly I think he's trying to grift to keep his normie presence and censors himself and pushes stuff he probably doesn't truly believe in, just so he can appear mostly normal and stomachable and can grift support and shekels off the most people.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        Is there not a photo of Spencer with Laura Bush?

        [–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        Holy shit, I didn't even know about thta...

        But the point still stands: If he was a fed, he'd be trying to promote wignat shit to get our movement shut down and our people arrested, no?

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        Yes and no, some FEDS are just theere to discredit and surveil. Others are just just used as frontmen to provide examples for the corporate media. I'm pretty sure he and Lauren "Southern" not her last name and she's Jewish, did a recent documentary about the alt-"Jew" right.

        [–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Definitely fishy. If he was a fed I wouldn't be surprised. I just thought it was unlikely for the reasons I stated, however your reasoning also makes quite a bit of sense.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        His wife was a eurasianist and quite fond of Dugin.

        http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/richard-spencer-2-800x445.jpg

        Spencer:

        And we are a kind of revolutionary movement that is analogous to the Bolsheviks.

        Ex-wife:

        http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/CyDr-r4UUAA0CBg.jpg

        http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ByzantinaSpencerBush.jpg

        Nina can be seen here wearing the cross of St. George, given by the Russian state as an honor, while she and Richard relaxed by the lake with former First Lady Laura Bush.

        There are many connections to Russia and Skull and Bones which multilateralists like John Kerry (Jewish), and Bush came out of. Viligante Intelligence did a great video about the relationship between Putin and Bush.

        What I think is happening here, is that a lot of these alt-right Duginists and crypto-Bolsheviks are either FEDS, or working for the Eurasian order. Needless, to say, many of them love Israel.

        http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/bq-5c11209fa74b3-1024x1024.jpeg

        Nordfront gives favorable coverage to Dugin without pointing out he is a fucking Bolshevik:

        https://www.nordfront.se/alexander-dugin-om-ryssland-mot-vastvarlden.smr

        Daily Stormer: https://dailystormer.name/tag/alexander-dugin/

        [–]MATKINS 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Richard Spencer supports pan-Europeanism and sees small state European nationalism as futile (which it is), yep, but not a "Eurasian" order. There was a tape of him leaked years ago saying he wanted Europeans to retake Constantinople and expel the Turks.

        As for accusations about him being fed, you'll need more solid proof than guilt by association. He's not a working-class average joe. It's no secret that he's rich and from a fairly well-connected background, he went to prep school, went to good universities, wrote for conservative magazines in the past, etc. It's not unlikely when you've been in those circles that you'll meet certain notable people.

        If he's a fed, they're not doing a good job. He's not the most popular figure in the movement and apparently, they've forgotten to tell YouTube that he's Kosher for their platform.

        Agree with him. Disagree with him. Whatever, but this is one of the things that pisses me off about the movement, people can't grasp nuance and can't handle disagreement, so they just make up shit about them being feds/shills/whatever without evidence.

        I disagree with the America First/Nick Fuentes crowd on most things. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't suspicious about how relatively accepted they are by mainstream(ish) conservatives, in fact America First looks exactly what I'd imagine an alt-right deradicalization project to look like (weaning off young men from focusing on racial issues to GOP conservatism like bitching about abortion and 'based black people', even Milo publicly stated this), but I don't spread rumours about Fuentes being a fed or controlled opposition, because there is no evidence.

        [–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Wow. Thanks for the info dump, this shit is... worrying to say the least.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Matt Heimbach: https://anaannblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/matthew-heimbach.png?w=300&h=123

        I think...

        [–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Flying the Reichskriegsflagge within 100 feet of an Israeli flag without denouncing Israel should be punishable by death.

        [–]MATKINS 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Bullshit. Out of all the people in the movement, Richard Spencer is among the least normie-friendly.

        If Richard Spencer just wanted to grift, he would just stick to digestible nationalist hivemind talking points. Trump good (or at least "the lesser of two evils"), Democrats bad, StopTheSteal, EU bad, Brexit good, #BasedHungary, brown immigration bad, Muslims bad, fuck Zionists, race and crime/race and IQ stuff.

        This is the stuff that gets more viewers/shekels rolling in because you're just regurgitating shit that people already think and want to hear. This is one of the reasons why people like Nick Fuentes/America First is so popular.

        Richard Spencer takes stances that make him more unpopular within the movement, it does not win him friends from the left or normie right who still see him as that Nazi who said "Heil Trump, Heil our people, Heil victory" 4 years ago.

        I do think there are fair criticisms to be made of him, I think he can be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, I don't like how he's thrown NJP under the bus (which I do sense is because he hasn't been asked to play a role in it), but I increasingly agree with him and find he often accurately reads and predicts things. He saw the Trump mess for exactly what it was early on while others were spouting shit about "trusting the plan", "give him time", etc. He is right about Europe and the UK.

        As for self-censorship, every figure in the movement self-censors, dude.

        I don't know where Richard Spencer has "pushed liberalism"... do you mean UBI and forgiving student loan debt and things like that? Those are policies that would help white people start families. He's not a petty racial libertarian who just wants to stop giving free shit to blacks.

        [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        How is Rittenhouse /Our Guy/? He's a lolbert.

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          [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Genie didn't dox tyrone and that tyrone guy is a bastard

          [–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Spencer is discredited. He is a little bit effeminate, has a patrician air that likes to stir controversy for the sake of stirring controversy. I also noticed he says the word "like" as a filler word way too often.

          [–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Always felt distant ideologically, but still respectful of him.

          Fuck this guy. Aristocratic wanna be imperialist nihilist monomaniacal ego-driven husk of a man.

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            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Christianity without Judaism is for traditional family, marriage, good deeds, etc.

            [–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            You can oppose conservatism/status quo without throwing a 17 year old kid acting in self defense, killing 2 jewish pedophiles in the process, under the bus.