Mensa members on Reddit wonder if high IQ correlates with "racism"

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Fucking nothing but midwits. Look at that level of discussion in that thread and compare it even to a discussion beneath a Steve Sailer blog post on Unz for level of sophistication, knowledge and level of logic.

Dear me I hope all these utter creeps are lying about their supposed high IQ because if these people are +3SD types then maybe it's time to rethink the whole IQ thing.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

High IQ can't inoculate you from brainwashing. If anything, high IQ leads to more college education, and the modern western academic sphere is one big marxist madrasa. If everyone around you parrots the same talking points and you are only exposed to that view point, you will see the world through that lens. Particularly, agreeable and social people tend to conform more to societal pressures.

Its high IQ and anti social behavior that leads to creative geniuses. Because these people are able to break through the conditioning and take alternate views. Plus high testosterone is also needed as you need balls to go against the grain, and low T impedes with one's sense of justice. Unfortunately, modern intellectuals have no balls, and are encouraged to be effeminate and shed their ''toxic masculinity"

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

marxist madrasa

Brilliant

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

One such individual "cracked" the human mind, developed an exact science of the psyche, which allows for the first time ever, the ability to REMOVE conditioning and brainwashing. A revolution is coming.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Who?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What does it matter what his name is, or... "who" he is?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You said it in a such a way that it read as someone already out there and well known

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He goes by the name of C. Patrick and the manual to teach yourself this new science is in French only, although he says an English language translation is coming.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you are that interested, here is his youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrZOgQo29aJaM2VVR1BNHfA

It's in French only, but I think maybe youtube can give you auto-translate from the subtitles?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

High IQ or farmer.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I use to actually participate on that subreddit and that thread is just cringe. They most definitely haven't taken a real in person IQ test, many people there just flaunt their scores from Mensa IQ tests like Mensa Denmark and Norway scores which tend to be inflated. Some people in that sub are actually from Mensa but not these.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Can u suggest a free online test with accurate results?

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You already took it, remember? TRI-52 is probably the most accurate online one you'll find and you scored 123 IQ.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/5a8i/iq_leaderboard/

The TRI52 Reasoning Index (RIX) has shown very high correlations with both the Scholastic Aptitude Test I (SAT I) composite score (.75), and the SAT I Mathematical reasoning test scaled score (.84).

It also very highly correlates with the IQ on traditional intelligence tests such as the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale III (WAIS-III) Full Scale IQ (.77) or the Slosson Intelligence Test - Revised (SIT-R3) Total Standard Score.

http://cogniqblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/test-of-inductive-reasoning-tri52-16-68.html

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think you're going to get accurate results from an online test. I've had mine professionally tested by a psych, to get an ADHD diagnosis for adderall. It consisted of five different tests that looked at different aspects of my cognitive functioning and took nearly 4 hours. It also costed 2,000 USD which was thankfully covered by my insurance. The end result was a series of different scores that were all averaged to give me my IQ score.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The end result was a series of different scores that were all averaged to give me my IQ score.

I'm assuming you took Wechsler's Adult Intelligence Scale? The Processing Speed Index score is probably a good way to tell if someone has ADHD if they score pretty low and has a large discrepancy with the other subtests.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe that's what it was, yes. Both my memory and processing speed scores were low, in stark contrast to the other scores. The administering psychologist used this to confirm the diagnosis of ADHD. You sure know your stuff.

[–]messenger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

i don't think these tests inflate your scores, at least the denmark test iirc

but everything about them just screams midwit insecure about their intelligence, the discussions on there resemble nothing like people in the 98th+ percentile

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

On average Denmark is inflated for most people but deflated for some, either way not that accurate because it doesn't match scores from more reputable tests like TRI-52 which has a source on the 0.77 correlation it has with WAIS-III. There is no correlation found from Mensa tests with actual IQ. You can see how Mensa Denmark is inaccurate here:

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/5a8i/iq_leaderboard/

For instance people like PokemonMusic who scored 130 on Mensa Denmark yet 109 on TRI-52. Or Hadza, 111 on TRI but 130 on Mensa Denmark.

[–]messenger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

interesting, i took the dk test and got 117 which is just what i would have thought, i can without bias say i'm above average but far from anything impressive. i really doubt that it could be any less

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    [–]WatchOutThere 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This is wrong on so many levels. People with ass burgers will excel at one or two niche things, like; playing the piano, painting a skyline from memory, and possessing encyclopedia-like knowledge on a specific topic (kid who knew the history of every car in existence comes to mind), but where they outperform in some areas, they seriously lack in other departments. Emotional and social intelligence, which are very important measures for predicting an individual's possible success, seem to be void for people bequeathed with ass burgers. They also have a dearth of critical and philosophical thought that is akin to children, even when they are well into adult hood. After all, for these aforementioned reasons, autism is characterized as a mental disorder, however TBHWY, that classification is a subject of debate for those within the field of psychology, but so is being a tranny.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Care to explain it briefly why that is the case?

    [–]president_camacho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I've said many times IQ is kind of a joke. Some people think anyone that rags on IQ tests does so out of political correctness, or because they scored poorly, or some warm fuzzy everybody's equal notion, but the tests really do have huge blind spots on intelligence that have been well documented. You can believe that racial differences in intelligence are real and still believe IQ tests have limited value.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    but the tests really do have huge blind spots on intelligence that have been well documented

    Not really. It's the best quantitative measure of intelligence we have and WAIS-IV tests memory, processing speed, reasoning and verbal intelligence both fluid and crystallized. It also has high correlations with creativity or divergent thinking tests. You're gonna need a source for these so called huge blind spots though.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    I'd say that IQ tests are a good proxy for real cognitive ability -- my first comment was half joking -- but I'd agree there are mysterious aspects of intelligence we don't yet understand and hopefully will. I wasn't trying to dismiss it as a tool for measuring intelligence. But then again there's all sorts of identifiable complexities when it comes to IQ like the plateau that I think from memory occurs around 130 to 135 when it comes to life outcomes. I'd also argue -- though I've never seen data -- that there's an 'uncanny valley' effect when it comes to +135 IQ as well. There's also all sorts of other things to consider like conscientiousness and other factors. Also I'd argue that while the people Dutton and 'Crimson Pill' talk about who are high on the spectrum and high IQ can be useful in extremely narrow situations -- particularly coming up with accurate and truthful conclusions that are socially unacceptable --it's also true that if you put those people in charge of your society it would probably look like a hell that matches our society. If you look at autism as the most extreme example of the male brain -- object focused, detail focused etc -- then all men fall somewhere on that spectrum and nearly all to some degree display aspects of that type of personality but that isn't some super power and extreme levels of that type of personality are obviously severely limiting.

    Basically I think IQ is valuable but IQ absolutism is gayer than the Eurovision song contest -- so is Autism absolutism.

    [–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    There's also all sorts of other things to consider like conscientiousness and other factors.

    What is conscientiousness if not a form of intelligence? That and these "other factors" matter greatly, and I think it's one of the things that most separates successful highly functioning societies from dysfunctional ones. It's largely what makes European societies stand out. Is there a strong correlation between high IQ and conscientiousness? I'm not so sure. People who underwent prefrontal lobotomies often saw little to no reduction in IQ score. That's just one area where IQ tests are deficient. Other difficult to objectively measure tasks involving "right brain" thinking are another.

    This is kind of an oversimplification, but it seems like IQ tests are great at testing tasks heavily connected to the left temporal lobe of the brain, mixed on things testing the parietal lobe of the brain, poor in gauging tasks attributed to right side of the brain, and almost worthless regarding the prefrontal lobes(the most highly evolved portion of the human brain).

    [–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    What is conscientiousness if not a form of intelligence?

    It's a personality trait that simply correlates with success. Intelligence is pattern recognition.

    [–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    It's a personality trait that simply correlates with success.

    It's difficult to be conscientious if you arent good at recognizing patterns. For example patterns in human behavior. For instance in a debate, a conscientious person can recognize patterns in the person or audience they are attempting to persuade, and tailor their arguments for that audience while anticipating counter arguments based on patterns.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    For instance in a debate, a conscientious person can recognize patterns in the person or audience they are attempting to persuade, and tailor their arguments for that audience while anticipating counter arguments based on patterns.

    That's just fluid verbal intelligence. You do not need more conscientiousness than the person you're debating to do this in a better way. Having high conscientiousness is not involved in the scenario you are describing.

    [–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    A conscientious person pays closer attention to these details. They may not be better at recognizing patterns, just more on the lookout for them and better at planning ahead to counter them and imagining unconventional ways to do so.

    They are also probably better at “reading” people, something I would imagine is hard to test for.

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    A favorite meme of this topic

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    It does. Our ideas are shared mostly by people with high and low IQs. It's the middle that's the problem. Urban bugmen for example.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Even many high IQ non-whites know the truth about racial differences on average related to intelligence. Jews are the only ones almost guaranteed to still preach otherwise.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Jews know. They just lie about it.

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Not all of them. I know several Jews that sincerely believe "The Mismeasure of Man" bullshit, which is of course more Jewish bullshit.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    They don't they're just lying. Here's a tip to figure out when a jew is lying: their lips are moving.

    [–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The Mismeasure of man was written by a Jew, and helped to subvert Western society by promoting the idea that there is nothing unique about Europeans that makes them more compatible with Western Civilization(which afterall is a product of European people). Therefore you can replace Europeans with anyone and get the same results.

    I suspect those Jews you encountered that seem to sincerely believe the bullshit are fully aware of this, or at the very least have never looked at it critically because it seems to perfectly align with and advance their agenda. Were the same book be used to promote mass immigration to Israel, Jews there would be highly critical of it, including ones that previously appeared to sincerely believe it.

    Many Jews in the west like to play good cop, and leave playing bad cop to those in Israel, who can do so without facing criticism because of a Jew centric media and the persecution complex and double standard that justifies behavior in them that is seen as evil in non Jews.

    If the subject of Israeli's extremely unwoke behavior comes up in the US, most liberal Jews in the US simply shrug and say yeah that's bad(and sometimes say im not Israeli so whats it got to do with me?), knowing nothing will be DONE about it, while in the US being "bad" in the same way will get one cancelled or worse. Others of course will simply accuse you of antisemitism for even mentioning it.

    [–]president_camacho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What they preach and what they think are often very different, and this issue is a great example of that. It's no coincidence that many of the leading "race realists" regarding IQ were Jewish. I suspect theirs is the default position and those that publicly take the opposite view do so to gaslight and subvert.

    One thing I've noticed about Jews over the years is that they will often adopt a position that coincidentally is advantageous to their ethnic agenda, and seem to be totally sincere about it, only to almost completely reverse themselves when the position is no longer seen to be advantageous, or even worse hold opposite views on what is essentially the same issue depending on the context as it relates to Jews. The most obvious example being the embrace of diversity for the west while advocating strict ethnic cohesion for Israel. There are countless other less obvious examples. I think when they intuitively understand a position is advantageous for Jews, they convince themselves that is the right or moral position without even being consciously aware. The best liars are those that convince themselves they arent telling a lie.

    This behavior isnt exclusive to Jews by any means. They just do it a lot more.

    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I found this quote on topic at reddit:

    153 IQ (10 points higher) via confirmed DARPA intelligence satellites and radio waves (mutation - 153 IQ %centile). Certified MENSA member and Church of Raytheon affiliate.

    followed by:

    my iq is 174 (adjusted for inflation)

    please stick to subreddits within your iq bracket. but thanks for your input. It’s not everyday I get to communicate with lessers