My answer to a normie question on Quora- "Do you think the United States is heading for another civil war, and how can average people prevent it?"

submitted by casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter from self.debatealtright

I hope so. But it looks more like a Jacobin revolution than a civil war.

Conservatives have no leadership and still believe in the pied pipers of the GOP like Ted Cruz, Donald Trump and Hawley etc. They’re trusting the Q-anon plan(which is nonsense and a psyop btw).

The left on the other hand has all the levers of power. The global neoliberal plutocracy stands firmly by the liberal side, and the supposed conservatives cow before them as well. Look at how the GOP begs Adelson for money and bends to Paul Singer’s socially liberal demands..

Media, Banking, Academia, the military, the judiciary, the intelligence…all march in lockstep with the liberal agenda which includes globalization, open borders, elimination of traditional culture, elimination of whites and technocracy.

Conservatives talk a big game about guns, but they lack the courage or leadership. Plus the military has combat helicopters, drones, CAS and tanks. You’re not going to take them down with rifles.

The left has begun a full scale assault on working class/conservative whites. With Trump supporters being fired from jobs, doxed, attacked and even thrown off airports for merely being Trump supporters. Big tech censors them and the FBI hunts them.

Note how the FBI kneeled before BLM rioters all summer.

So I fear its going to be a one sided slaughter against conservatives as global plutocracy unleashes all its shock troops on them(antifa, FBI, ADL, Judicial harassment)

It’ll be a full on repeat of the red terror of the 1920s. You can see this already with leftists openly celebrating the death of Ashli Babbit on twitter and elsewhere. There’s no banning, mass hysteria or media outrage over that. She was unarmed, didn’t even carry a stick and was an honorably discharged air force veteran.

The murder of white conservatives and their destruction is cheered on by the media and academic classes. I see little hope for them.

If you are a white conservative reading this, leave the US as fast you can. Go to Eastern Europe or even Latin America. Do so while you still have chance. Don’t make the same mistake as the Ukrainian peasants in the 1920s.

The Yagoda and Kaganovich of this era will be even more hateful.

The US is in the end stage of empire. Its ruled by a foreign elite that despises the natives and enlists foreigners to subjugate them. Its drowning in debt, decadence, entropy and degeneracy.

Its last pillars are the dollar as reserve currency and the US military. The former is a subject of global influence and economic health and won’t last for long with the onset of the Chinese BRI. China is now the world’s indispensable nation as it produces the worlds material goods. US financial products can easily be restructured and replaced, Chinese physical good can’t be so easily replaced.

It takes decades to build an industrial base and no country on earth has anywhere near the amount of skilled labor, technical expertise and political competence as the Chinese. So gradually, the world will orbit Beijing rather than Washington.

Without the Dollar’s reserve status, US military might will vanish as well and so will the welfare state.

The collapse of the US will follow soon after that. Leave while you can.

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[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Reddit's generic front page now looks like a communist fever dream. All summer violence and rhetoric 1000X what we saw in DC was declared righteous outrage but suddenly angry Whites with their feet on a desk are domestic terrorists the likes of which have never been seen. If you make 1 sensible comment you get 100 downvotes in 1/2 hr. It is pure insanity right now.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, they're absolutely immune to reason. The memes are dead set on this one. They literally say, "uhm...sources?'' and ''gonna need citations for that'' every two minutes. And not to mention pedantry.

I said the courts undemocratically foisted gay marriage on the US and Taiwan. A bugman asks, ''your country forced you to marry another man?"

[–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you provide sources, they ignore them and then continue to claim you don't have any because they couldn't be bothered to read them. Same thing happens with the leftists here. They don't want to debate, they want to dominate.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. They'll just scour the net for a single study that disputes it, or just call the sources far right conspiracy theory and ''discredited''. They even think the dailymail is far right.

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like they used to say on 4chan: "the only way to win is not to play." As a denounced Marxist let me tell you that Marxists don't debate; they negate. They're trained to ignore your facts, your proof or anything else you might have even if it completely blows their "arguments" out of the water because the purpose is not to debate you or win an argument, the point is to ADVANCE THE LIE, SPREAD IT TO MORE PEOPLE. Marxist debates are really nothing more than infection sessions designed to spread the sick and twisted concepts of Karl Marx (and communism) as far and wide as possible.) Also, never forget that anything and everything is nothing more than a tool to the Marxist and everything (and everyone, including children) is and are to be used specifically to their purposes. So, you want to win an argument against a Marxist? Don't debate them! Just go on talking among yourselves as you would if the Marxist wasn't even there. Marxists can't win if they can't get an argument.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

I disagree with most of this but I'm drinking right now and too lazy to respond.

[–]sylla94 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

based

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a denounced Marxist I recognize this INSTANTLY as nothing more than Marxist propaganda. ("If you tell a lie to enough people for long enough it becomes the truth." - Joseph Goebbels) What's the best way to keep white conservatives afraid? Pretend you're one of them then play to their fears, tell them lies that will only make them more afraid. That's how it works, folks! If it's not based in fact then it's BULLSHIT!

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's pretty accurate except for the part about the military being undefeatable.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

remember those words when your door gets kicked in.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think /u/casparvoneverec appreciates being called a fed

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, tell me what you disagree with exactly. Would like to hear your perspective

[–]TheJamesRocket 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thing to keep in mind is that if the Establishment cracks down too hard on white conservatives, it will only hasten their eventual demise. Regardless of all of the praise they heap on women and minoritys, they are ultimately dependent upon the quiet competence of white men to keep the lights on. They are the crucial element that cannot be dispensed with.

Trump got into the White House through sheer luck and the support of white conservatives. The Elites view his entire Presidency as nothing less than a revolt by the unwashed masses against their just and noble rule. They and their media appendages have spent the last 4 years hyperventilating about how awful this was. They have worked themselves up to the point where they might very well engage in mass persecutions.

If the Elite do that, however, they will basically be committing themselves to the destruction of America itself. In many respects, the conservative states are the heart and soul of the country. Massive persecution and bloodshed would lead to the countrys collapse within a matter of years. As bad as this sounds, it might actually be preferable to some of the other scenarios that are on the table. Consider this...

If the Elites adopted a policy of moderation and restraint, they would be able to get more mileage out of a system that is clearly broken. It would avoid worsening the political, social, and economic problems that are plaguing the country. The Elite would buy themselves a few more crucial years, and would be able to complete their transition to Neofeudalism. This is the worst case scenario of all.

The U.S. has just now passed a major milestone in the lifetime of an Empire. It has lost its legitimacy in the eyes of its own people, and the world at large. You can't underestimate how crucial this is. Legitimacy is the intangible currency that makes Empires sustainable. Once that has been lost, they can only rule by force alone, putting them on an inevitable path to decline.

[–]deAccount 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are only so many places to run to. Even if I move down to Latin America to cower in fear from the bolsheviks, nothing will stop them from just mobilizing more men to go after people like myself. Militias need to build military-grade equipment and practice using it too, there needs to be a message sent to all dissidents to scrape together any amount of money to fund our very survival. White flight has never worked, I’d rather die fighting until the end than run away.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You won't fight at all, no more than any other Conservative. Modern man has no testosterone

[–]asterias 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whenever a communist movement happened, normies who believed they had nothing to fear died by the millions. Some people fought back, some of them were killed, but others survived.

[–]iPhone666 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you are a white conservative reading this, leave the US as fast you can.

I'm not going anywhere.

[–]Pononimus 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Wow, you're articulate but quite ignorant. As a Conservative I can assure you that I don't blindly "follow some pied-piper leader" as if I were some Leftist moron sheep running to the call of their Communist master. Contrary to the popular belief that Conservatives, especially Trump Supporter Conservatives are uneducated idiot retarded Hillbillies, I can assure you that I'm intelligent, articulate, well learned and just because I chose a trade rather than college or university doesn't make me stupid but, actually, clearly demonstrates my perception and intelligence. Back when all my friends and people I knew were struggling to find work with there bachelor of arts degrees so they could pay off their student loans, I was busy working as a well skilled auto mechanic, making twenty five dollars an hour (at a time when min wage was 1.75) and racking up the bucks. Within a year of starting my trade career I was able to buy a brand new car, buy a house, buy property and save loads of money in a savings account. Meanwhile all my friends and people I knew who hadn't gone the way I'd gone were kicking themselves in the ass regretting that they, too, hadn't made a right and beneficial choice for their lives. Sadly, today, those same people with bachelors degrees are either "retired" on Social Security or are still working the same dead-end, meaningless corporate jobs they'd somehow managed to snag all those years ago. So, next time you want to think of Conservatives as stupid, take a look at your own life and ask myself: "Did I make the right choice?"

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Where did this come from? I didn't mock anyone as a hillbilly for not going to college. I said conservatives blindly follow Trump who has sold them out a dozen times by now.

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do you realize how ignorant your statement is? "Conservatives blindly follow Trump." Hmm... Look... Just because you don't think or act for yourself, and you blindly follow the Leftist mantra doesn't mean that everyone else is like you. There are many of us (more daily) who are walking away from the idiocy and stupidity of the left because we know how to think for ourselves and we don't just blindly believe what someone else said because we were told to believe them. Is saying, "all blacks are thieves" racist? Is saying "all Mexicans are lazy and smelly" bigoted? Yes! So, since that's true, how can saying "Conservatives blindly follow Trump" any less bigoted, opinionated, small minded and stupid? Whenever you take an entire group and demonize them you're not really saying anything about them but you sure are speaking volumes about yourself.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Whenever you take an entire group and demonize them you're not really saying anything about them but you sure are speaking volumes about yourself.

It is called a generalization and the fact that you think it is the same as "demonizing them" speaks volumes about yourself.
Conservatives still think in leftist thought. Whites are being genocided by the left and the GOP and you're still worrying about what speech constitutes "hate speech" ie. which speech the communists don't want you to say.
Racism is a rhetoric concept developed to push against any opposition of white genocide.

Your kids wont love you when they're minorities in a country where you did nothing to stop the development. They will think of you as weak and they wont care about your cries of racism, because racism is ALL they will ever know.

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Erroenous generalization 1: "Conservatives still think in Leftist thought." Erroneous generalization 2: "Whites are being genocided by the Left and the GOP and you're still worrying about what speech constitutes hate speech." Erroneous generalization 3: "Racism is a rhetoric concept developed to push against any opposition of (it should be 'to') White Genocide.". Erroneous generalization 4: "Your kids won't love you when they're minorities in a country where you did nothing to stop development." Erroneous generalization 5: "They will think of you as weak and they won't care about your cries of racism because racism is all they will ever know.

1: Do you know all conservatives? Have you talked to all of them? Have they told you this? 2: "Whites are being genocided by the Left and the GOP..." Do you have proof of this or are you just buying into the Leftist propaganda that wants you to believe that? 3:"Racism is a rhetoric concept developed to push against any opposition of (it should be 'to') White Genocide.". In 1922 Bolshevik Leon Trotsky invented the word "racist" as a tool to immediately shut down debate from opposition speakers. 4: "My kids?" How do you know I have kids? Do I have kids? You don't really know that, do you. Perhaps you're projecting and actually referring to your kids. 5: Even if I had kids why would they think of me as weak? Again, I have to wonder: are you actually projecting your own fears and insecurities? 6: finally, it seems pretty clear to me that racism is all that you will ever know. Bye!

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Stop wasting your time with normies.

[–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

who are we recruiting if not normies

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

High agency people dissatisfied with the system not low agency people satisfied with and reliant on the existence of the system. 'Normies' IE reddit NPCs are upper middle class and they owe their entire life to technocapitalism, neoliberalism etc whatever names you want to use. Trying to talk to them is like trying to convince a parasite they don't need their host.

We should be aiming at people who are smart but have been fucked by the system not the only white people who actually benefit from the system and will defend it to the death. Our target audience is the urban working class and rural people, 'Somewheres'; not rootless cosmopolitans, 'Anywheres'.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

normies are the target. Time to wake up, inform and recruit the lazy, the drunk, the complacent. Leave the self-deceiving to their fate.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've actually received no negative comments for this, on quora no less. Its not as terrible as reddit.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Quora can actually be surprisingly open about these issues. It's got a shit lib faction of course but I openly describe myself as far right there and don't really get any hassles and also have had good conversations with liberals.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Public clown trials.
When people think a bureaucrat is an idiot or a villain, they should be able to initiate a trial, and vote. Even for positions that don't require elections. Bureaucrats who win should be immediately removed from all posts.

[–]Erasmus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're confusing collapse with defeat.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm too lazy for a long response right now, but I want to point out that neoliberals != left.

Like seriously stop blaming us for their shit.

[–]OneHunchMan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Black-pilled, demoralization garbage. Next!

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a denounced Marxist I can explain all of the inner workings of Marxist Demoralization Practice to you in detail so you can all understand it. (Know your enemy.) First, let's look at what Karl Marx and L. Ron Hubbard have in common: they're both failed fiction writers turned "philosophers" who unleashed two of the most messed up, destructive, fail philosophies ever created. In Marx's case, a "political theory", in Hubbard's case: a totalitarian brainwashing cult euphemistically called a "religion". (Now watch as the Marxists come out of the wood work to attack me and try to discredit me. It's happened many times, before. Marxism/Socialism/Communism are like the Mafia; once you're in you don't leave except in a box. I hope you all understand that last bit but it's true. Marxists do not forgive those who leave or, even worse, expose the truth of this horrendous, destructive lie!