Should Hitler have won WW2?

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Hitler's most dishonorable action was when he ordered that Germany itself be razed to the ground to spare the people from the shame of defeat. He had gone fully loco by the last 3 years of the war, driven mad by paranoia, delusions of grandeur, and most alarmingly, a meth addiction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree

Eric Striker and other Hitler worshippers should really read up on the war itself, as in the military conflict than obsess about Jewish machinations under Roosevelt or Nazi propaganda before the war. Its ludicrous to believe blindly in Nazi propaganda.

They simultaneously called Japanese the Aryans of the east while genociding Poles by settling millions of Germans in Poland. Poles if anything are more Aryan than Germans as they are the largest holders of the R1a haplogroup, associated with the Aryan conquests of India, Iran and Central Asia.

Nazi fanboys can pretend all they like, but the nazis tried to do to Poland exactly what the Jews are doing to the west today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Nazi_Germany

Over 1.7 million poles were expelled from their ancestral lands within the first years of the war. Was this any more moral or just than the effective expulsion of native brits from London? The Poles had been living there for over a thousand years.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hitler's most dishonorable action was when he ordered that Germany itself be razed to the ground to spare the people from the shame of defeat

Source.

He had gone fully loco by the last 3 years of the war, driven mad by paranoia, delusions of grandeur, and most alarmingly, a meth addiction.

Source that's not one of the 11 Jewish historians that are 'approved' by governments to write about this topic. (wikipedia is not a source either)

Eric Striker and other Hitler worshippers should really read up on the war itself

Calling the mainstream anti Hitler narrative bunk is not Hitler worship. Striker and guys like Ahab, Duke and Enoch are quite well read on the topic. Duke went to the newly opened soviet archive in the 90's. You'd know that if you were familiar with dissidents and not just here to blast the board with long screeds.

Its ludicrous to believe blindly in Nazi propaganda.

Where are you getting that alt right figures believe blindly in Nazi propaganda? I've been patient with you on this board but this is just a downright stupid and subversive thing to say. Believing any propaganda blindly is stupid but not all propaganda is the same. 'Nazi' is also a Jewish slur created by yellow journalism. You should read The Myth of Germany Villainy by Benton L. Bradbury. In dissident spheres we refer to 'nazis' as national socialists and if you want to run a better infiltration operation you should probably stop using the word.

I don't know how you can call yourself a dissident and buy all the bullshit about Hitler's Germany. Its fascinating to me.

They simultaneously called Japanese the Aryans of the east while genociding Poles by settling millions of Germans in Poland.

Holyshit this is a blatant lie. Germans did not genocide poles. A large chunk of the western populace of Poland were German. So I guess you've finally exposed yourself as an anti nat-soc. I'm surprised you didn't try to mention the lebensraum anti slav lie. That's easily debunked as well.

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12690

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Racist libshart status: [owned] not owned

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Absolutely. It's hard to imagine anything more dystopic than what has happened to Europe, America, Australia and the White race post-war and of course the central defining event of liberalism -- and conservatism as well -- is the 'moral lesson' of Nazism which has morphed from a lesson about fascism into a general lesson about how evil ANY White self-assertion is and why it must be destroyed. It's hard to imagine what the world would look like with a genuinely counter-Jewish and powerful force still in existence but fun to specualate and like I said could it be any worse than the hot piss Earth we inhabit?

Now some will say that given Stalin's shift into overt anti-Jewishness over time that an anti-Jewish force did survive the war but not really. I'd argue that Stalin turned on those people merely for the fact that they were a threat to his personal power and ambitions. Nazism was an ideologically motivated and intellectually driven explicit rebuke to Jews as Jews. Hitler wasn't just mad at them or saw them as a mere impediment to his personal ambitions the Germans had a deeper and more profound sense of the threat Jews posed.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Absolutely. It's hard to imagine anything more dystopic than what has happened to Europe, America, Australia and the White race post-war

Hitler was fine with putting Europeans in death camps for the most non-violent crimes. He was never pro-white, he merely believed in German Supremacy.

Compared to all the bombs and bullets going off 75 years ago, White people today have life far easier, even if the modern media is trash. But the Nazis would have owned that media and replaced it with their own pro-German propaganda.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Yes Hitler rounded them all up and micro managed every single person sent to a 'death camp' in the Nazi period. Also yes he was a German Nationalist first. Has nothing to do with my comment.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

You were saying you couldn't image a more dystopic scenario had Hitler won, but we already have examples of what he had in store for Non German Whites. And it ended in mass murder.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Mate this is just childish stuff. The idea that Hitler was just going to start mass murdering non-Germans because he hated them forever is fucking after school special history. 100's of thousands of non-Germans volunteered for the SS with Hitler's blessing. Hitler admired the British deeply. He had scores to settle in the East, no doubt, and let's be honest Slavs gave as good as they got and took their pound of flesh after the war -- the idea of turning them into poor widdle victims is semitic and repulsive -- but the peopl most responsible for Slavic death were the Bolshevisks and Stalin not fucking Hitler.

Also fuck Pole victimhood while we're at it. They were busy gobbling up the historic lands of others like most have done in European history after Germany dissolved Czechoslovakia. This idea that the poor Poles were just innocent doves and their rights to this or that had to be respected is pathetic.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Mate this is just childish stuff. The idea that Hitler was just going to start mass murdering non-Germans because he hated them is fucking after school special history. 100's of thousands of non-Germans volunteered for the SS with Hitler's blessing.

Blacks fought in the U.S Army. Many Indians fought for the British Raj. In no way where they loved by their respective occupiers.

Hitler went the extra mile and created programs solely meant to exterminate groups of people. Aktion T4, literally granted the German government the right to seize anyone they suspect had a physical disability and murder them. That's not pro-white. It was purity nonsense with Hitler calling the shots of who is entitled to life.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yes I get it there was a Euthanasia program in Nazi Germany. Wow. Guess that bad Corporal Hitler was evil after all -- those type of Eugenic policies didn't originate with big bad ebil Hitler BTW.

Blacks fought in the U.S Army. Many Indians fought for the British Raj. In no way where they loved by their respective occupiers.

People volunteered for the SS and died for SS from the people you think Hitler was just going to throw into camps because he was a 'supremacist'. They weren't conscripted. People like Degrelle who wasn't German also became some of the most decorated and high up commanders in the SS and to his dying day defended Nazism. The idea that there was some hatred of a Belgian just because he was Belgian is ridiculous.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yes I get it there was a Euthinasia program in Nazi Germany. Wow. Guess that bad Corporal Hitler was evil after all -- those type of Eugenic policies didn't originate with big bad ebil Hitler BTW.

Is supporting Euthanasia suppose to be a good defense of Hitler? I don't want the government to invade my home and remove me for being "ill". Sounds like the current Covid pandemic and how the government abuses its powers now.

"The government says you're sick. Here, take this mandatory bullet to the head!"

People volunteered for the SS and died for SS from the people you think Hitler was just going to throw into camps because he was a 'supremacist'. They weren't conscripted. People like Degrelle who wasn't German also became some of the most decorated and high up commanders in the SS and to his dying day defended Nazism. The idea that there was some hatred of a Belgian just because he was Belgian is ridiculous.

We call those people useful idiots. I could probably volunteer for the Chinese Army or proclaim eternal support for Xi. That changes nothing about the Chinese government and what they really think of us Westerners. Hitler absolutely would have chucked away those people once they outlived their usefulness. He already did the same within his own party. Look up Ernst Rohm for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm#Death

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is supporting Euthanasia suppose to be a good defense of Hitler?

I didn't say I support it it just doesn't matter to me. In fact it probably ranks somewhere around the level of importance to me as the sewerage policy in pre-war Berlin.

We call those people useful idiots.

Do 'we'? Who's 'we', Kemosabe? Do you know anything about the Charlemagne Division? Read the accounts. These people weren't 'useful idiots' they passionately believed they were fighting for Europe and they were.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say I support it it just doesn't matter to me. In fact it probably ranks somewhere around the level of importance to me as the sewerage policy in pre-war Berlin.

Well I'm not sure how I can respond to this. Hitler had programs bent on exterminating people. Even worse was when he invaded your country and enforced his rules on you. If that doesn't make him evil, what does?

Do 'we'? Who's 'we', Kemosabe? Do you know anything about the Charlemagne Division? Read the accounts. These people weren't 'useful idiots' they passionately believed they were fighting for Europe and they were.

If they wanted to defend Europe, you would join the Free French Forces or any resistance group opposed to Hitler's war. Doesn't matter how passionate they are, when they were still pawns fighting for a lost cause with millions of Europeans dying.

If you also missed it, Hitler's generals also wanted him dead. The Nazi brand had become pure poison, even amongst his inner circle.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes Ernst Roehm therefore Hitler kills everyone just for no reason. (That fag got what was coming to him and he wasn't just killed for no reason the Brown Shirts were becoming dangerous to Hitler's ambitions.)

Can we just agree that I accept Hitler could be very cruel, made many mistakes and was defeated. I accept all this.

He was still fighting for what I consider is right and just and that is a bigger battle that transcends those errors.

The alternative is the leaders of every other power who were equally cruel BUT ALSO fighting for everything I hate and loathe.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes Ernst Roehm therefore Hitler kills everyone just for no reason.

Hitler's final meltdown in 1945 proved he lost his mind and was willing to execute anyone for the most ludicrous reason. It's ironic, but even Hitler despised himself, since he got himself killed in the end...

He was still fighting for what I consider what is right and just and that is a bigger battle that transcends those errors. The alternative is the leaders of every other power who were equally cruel and disgusting BUT ALSO fighting for everything I hate and loathe.

It's more rational to accept that every leader back then had flaws or lead to terrible outcomes. But Hitler stood ontop the pinnacle of failure. You want to believe what he was fighting for was "right". Well it also meant millions of other Europeans died in that crossfire.

With the exception of perhaps Stalin and the Chinese Communists, none of the Allied leaders were looking to kill millions of their own people again once WW2 ended.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Aktion T4 was only active for a couple years too and they didn't go around kidnapping people, they euthanised horrifically disabled, terminally ill etc people. The same kind of people who can get euthanised in Switzerland, the Netherlands etc today.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course and it's just another type of ghoulish fantasy people impose upon National Socialist Germany. Like it was just some horror show.

Meanwhile in modern Holland or Belgium -- can't remember which -- they'll pay for 'trans' people to mutilate themselves then when they inevitably feel depressed they euthanize them.

That's a real ghoulish hell on Earth but people like this guy would probably call it liberty.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Hitler was fine with putting Europeans in death camps for the most non-violent crimes.

Hold it right there. I've yet to see any evidence of any German death camps.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Here's one. Learn how the Germans specifically targeted Jehovah's Witnesses.

Edit: With sources. https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/people/victjeho.htm

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

In the concentration camps, Jehovah's Witnesses were required to wear a purple triangle to distinguish them from other inmates. Many of them died from disease, hunger, exhaustion, brutal treatment, and exposure to the cold. About 10,000 Witnesses were imprisoned in concentration camps during the Nazi period. An estimated 2,500 to 5,000 died.

Nowhere do they mention homicidal gas chambers - which is what the "Holocaust" question is all about at this point.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The holocaust was never about gas chambers. But even still, to dismiss the examples of Jehovah's Witnesses who were murdered isn't exactly a good outlook on Hitler and the type of society he envisioned.

Such as when one Jehovah's Witness was beaten so badly by Germans, her baby died of miscarriage, and the mother was later beheaded by Guillotine. https://libapp.shadygrove.umd.edu/omeka/exhibits/show/the-era-of-the-holocaust/jehovah-s-witnesses-prisoners

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The holocaust was never about gas chambers.

The establishment has already put forward the narrative that the "Holocaust" was only possible with the use of homicidal gas chambers. Without the homicidal gas chamber, there can be no extermination camp, and there can be no Holocaust. Wartime concentration camps are never a fun place to be. But it's this notion of "industrialized mass murder" that earns the "Holocaust" its unique place in history.

But even still, to dismiss the examples of Jehovah's Witnesses who were murdered isn't exactly a good outlook on Hitler and the type of society he envisioned. Such as when one Jehovah's Witness was beaten so badly by Germans, her baby died of miscarriage, and the mother was later beheaded by Guillotine. https://libapp.shadygrove.umd.edu/omeka/exhibits/show/the-era-of-the-holocaust/jehovah-s-witnesses-prisoners

The American government murdered dozens of cult members much more recently, does that mean that American liberalism is irredeemable?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The establishment has already put forward the narrative that the "Holocaust" was only possible with the use of homicidal gas chambers. Without the homicidal gas chamber, there can be no extermination camp, and there can be no Holocaust. Wartime concentration camps are never a fun place to be. But it's this notion of "industrialized mass murder" that earns the "Holocaust" its unique place in history.

Well I'm not the establishment, nor do I subscribe to them. And no, don't downplay Germany's concentration camps. These people had no reason to be there in the first place, and they were deliberately put in harms way to stroke Hitler's ego (i.e look at how the V2 Rockets were built. They often relied on dangerous slave labor that killed those who worked on it). If you want to build war material, do it with your own population and with a proper salary. But don't round up civilians at gun point and order them to make weapons for you.

The American government murdered dozens of cult members much more recently, does that mean that American liberalism is irredeemable?

Yes? I don't support any government that murders its citizens who haven't committed any real crimes. But the U.S government still allows for freedom of religion so it's not quite an ongoing purge. In one of my links, it was clearly mentioned Germany tried to ban the Jehovah's Witnesses and they brutally beat up those who kept their faith.

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If you want to build war material, do it with your own population and with a proper salary. But don't round up civilians at gun point and order them to make weapons for you.

Every country involved in WW2 had forced labor camps.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you have a source for Canada using forced labor in WW2? Especially those deliberately exposed to dangerous projects? I have one document that says POW labor was not approved until 1943, and those who did work did so on farms. https://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=9207&context=etd

But I'm also reading conflicting reports that employing POW's wasn't popular, especially as they ended up fleeing.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He was never pro-white, he merely believed in German Supremacy.

That's not true, AFAIK, he would have loved to work well with the Brits, French, Scandinavians, et al. I believe he did hate the Poles and perhaps Slavs in general but he was NOT about world conquest for a Nazi global empire.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    False.

    The more I read about Hitler's Germany, the more I learn about many horrifying crimes that flew under the radar. For example, one of the courts founded by Hitler approved the execution of a 17 year old German child. If it was any other country like Iran or the Congo, they would be rightfully called out for savagery.

    https://www.history.com/news/meet-the-youngest-person-executed-for-defying-the-nazis

    He recognized the aryans, which included all white indo-europeans as the master race. False again, he thought that the Germanic peoples were the best among the aryans, which is true. Germans are just one of many Germanic peoples.

    Why are Aryans master race? Where does that idea come from? Because Germany losing two world wars clearly debunks that. It's just a shame it also killed millions of other Europeans with them.

    And that would have been great.

    Nazi controlled media would be incredibly stubborn and censor any information that even dares criticize their belief. It's basically state sponsored echo chamber. Except when the government decides to commit senseless murder, it would take violent resistant to get them out of power.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    How about not starting WW2? Hitler could have gone down as a respected leader if all he did was focus on Germany and even acted as a safe haven for anti-communists. But he showed his hand by sending millions of Germans to their death and later, blowing his own brains out when Berlin was on the verge of total destruction. If you want to know if a leader is good or not, ask them if they'll pick up a rifle and personally fight their own wars? Otherwise, he was pretty much a psychopath who only cared about himself when Germans were freezing to death a few kilometers away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Stalingrad_Speech

    Edit: Oh yeah, and don't forget he was so reveled by the end of the war, many of his generals tried to assassinate him in order to negotiate peace with the allies. It's rose tinted goggles to think Hitler was ever the good guy.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    They declared war on him.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Because he invaded Poland? Yeah, I would do the same too if a rogue state came after my country.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Why plunge the entire continent into a war over Poland? And why not declare war on the USSR then? They invaded Poland as well.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa in 1941 and brought the Soviets to the Allied side. He kept burning so many bridges that it was more important to take him out first and deal with the Communists later (which we did. The Cold War came right after the Nazis were defeated. Winston Churchill also developed his own plan to invade the USSR but everyone was just tired at that point).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

    Edit: Not to mention, Stalin himself was actually the least aggressive Commie. He personally ordered the death of Trotsky because he was baiting the Soviet Union to attack Europe. So it was to our benefit to not piss him off whereas Hitler didn't care and would attack anyone.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The USSR invaded Poland before the Germans invaded Russia.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Not in 1939.

    German invasion began on the 1st of September. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Border

    Soviets on the 17th. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

    Both countries were monsters and eventually crumbled so I'm not sure what you expect. The USSR folded in 1991 so we can't declare war on them anymore. :(

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes.

    [–]DisgustResponse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I give it at most a hundred years before Hitler is regarded with the same Romantic-tragic energy as Napoleon.

    [–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I believe that the outcome wouldn't have been good in the long run. The first to suffer would be people of the Baltic countries, Serbia and Ukraine, and gradually other countries would follow. Horia Sima described the situation in Romania in his memoirs.

    In any case, the execution of Gregory Strasser and the abolition of his approach led to the belief that there was little need for internal reform if the eastern countries could be colonized.

    These days we see how the world is and think that another outcome might have been better but forget that this outcome would just be the start of a different colonial age.

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If the allies had sided with Germany against Russia the world would be a much better place. Every single stakeholder in WWII would have been better off. Hitler's ambitions are not to my taste but he had legit concerns all around; Jews, Russia, communism, etc. Russia would have been reigned in early, no Cold War, no nukes, no globohomo. The allies could have inserted themselves into Eastern conflicts and modulated Germany. Obviously just speculation but that's my impression.