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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I've looked into the current struggles of trying to keep nations like Canada or the U.S all white, but even if you take every conspiracy at face value, it becomes impossible to deny that these countries have voted to open their borders and become minorities.

The people never voted for this stuff. When there are referendums, the vote gets ignored. In 1943, 90% of American servicemen said they would rather lose the war than end segregation back home. Hart-Celler was able to narrowly pass in Congress after it was promised that it wouldn't significantly alter demographics.

And it's not just because of Jews or Elites, but because the Western way of life literally demands people get all their products for cheap.

Most (White) people would much rather have strong communities, high employment, low crime, low pollution, local self-sufficiency, and high social spending than cheap Chinese crap. And oftentimes capitalism doesn't even make things cheaper.

[–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The people never voted for this stuff. When there are referendums, the vote gets ignored.

Source for your own reference.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The people never voted for this stuff.

But they did, to the point so many Whites voted for Biden over Trump partially because they were upset at the border detention centres.

In 1943, 90% of American servicemen said they would rather lose the war than end segregation back home.

I'm not sure what this statistic has to do with 2021? Are you saying White people never changed their mind about race? It absolutely has changed and I can even show you countering statistics if you want to play this game...

Hart-Celler was able to narrowly pass in Congress after it was promised that it wouldn't significantly alter demographics.

Ok, and what are you trying to tell me again? Future politicians have pushed for more diversity not less. Hart-Celler might not have even mattered just based on the fact I mentioned. The attitudes towards immigration had changed.

Most (White) people would much rather have strong communities, high employment, low crime, low pollution, local self-sufficiency, and high social spending than cheap Chinese crap.

Then the majority of Whites should have no problem moving to Europe and forming a new community based around those things as opposed to living in Western states that pose a threat? Again, that's the argument I made in the OP. You wont get that if the majority of White people are addicted to cheap Chinese crap or they want to employ programmers from all over the world. The proof is in Walmart and Amazon stock has continued to explode these past few months...

And oftentimes capitalism doesn't even make things cheaper.

In context, Capitalism is absolutely about competition. What's cheaper than getting thousands of rare minerals from China, or importing low wage laborers to work in the sun all day growing food? At least when you combine those things with other perks about Civilization and yeah, life would get very expensive if they were to stop.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But they did, to the point so many Whites voted for Biden over Trump partially because they were upset at the border detention centres.

There was more immigration under Trump than there was under Obama. Trump didn't even campaign on immigration this time around. The "kids in cages" are still there, they're just not getting coverage.

Then the majority of Whites should have no problem moving to Europe and forming a new community based around those things as opposed to living in Western states that pose a threat?

As long as America is still around, and is still wielded as a weapon by rootless cosmopolitans, White people will not be allowed to build communities anywhere.

The proof is in Walmart and Amazon stock has continued to explode these past few months...

The stock market is entirely fake and gay. That should be the takeaway from the GME fiasco.

In context, Capitalism is absolutely about competition.

Capitalism is about the accumulation of wealth into fewer and fewer hands. Capitalism tends toward monopoly (i.e. anti-competition).

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As long as America is still around, and is still wielded as a weapon by rootless cosmopolitans, White people will not be allowed to build communities anywhere.

If North Korea and Cuba can still exist despite being America's mortal enemies, White people can absolutely build communities anywhere. The question is you have to actually defend it.

Capitalism is about the accumulation of wealth into fewer and fewer hands. Capitalism tends toward monopoly (i.e. anti-competition).

Well I don't disagree at all. Capitalism clearly does concentrate wealth into Elite companies. But that's the reason I'm saying White people should flee these nations. Everytime you pay taxes or shop at Walmart, YOU ARE SUPPORTING THIS SYSTEM.

But if White people live in their own White nation state, the money goes back into their own community. Do you disagree with this?

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

But they did, to the point so many Whites voted for Biden over Trump partially because they were upset at the border detention centres.

Biden didn't get more votes than Trump, thats nonsense. He won the Election through blatant fraud. On election night, the vote counting was stopped at several swing states at around midnight. They did this because the votes where overwhelmingly in favour of Trump. The Deep State was forced to use Dominion software to change the verdict.

The hysteria over the border camps was also a load of contrived bullshit. Those camps were established under the Obama administration, and they didn't become a scandal until Trump got into office. Even the most sanctimonious liberals didn't really care about them. It certainly wasn't some breaking point for a critical mass of Americans, as you seem to imagine. The detention camps were nothing more than an endless number of contributed scandals the media used to pummel Trump with over the entire duration of his Presidency.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Biden didn't get more votes than Trump, thats nonsense. He won the Election through blatant fraud. On election night, the vote counting was stopped at several swing states at around midnight. They did this because the votes where overwhelmingly in favour of Trump. The Deep State was forced to use Dominion software to change the verdict.

Sorry but these claims have been debunked. Trump was literally the only person to spread these claims when every other official found no evidence of fraud.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54959962

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/05/viral-image/no-michigan-ballots-counted-after-election-day-are/

The hysteria over the border camps was also a load of contrived bullshit. Those camps were established under the Obama administration, and they didn't become a scandal until Trump got into office. Even the most sanctimonious liberals didn't really care about them. It certainly wasn't some breaking point for a critical mass of Americans, as you seem to imagine. The detention camps were nothing more than an endless number of contributed scandals the media used to pummel Trump with over the entire duration of his Presidency.

I agree with the hysteria and Obama part. However, it was only under the Trump administration did they implement much more severe family separation policies which is what angered a lot of people.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

How about no?

The BBC and Politifact (LOL) are not legitimate news sources. Especially not on subjects regarding Donald Trump.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Then I can't help you. It should have been a slam dunk for Trump to prove all this time that MILLIONS of votes were fake, but every single recount done by hand showed he lost. https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/07/politics/georgia-recount-recertification-biden/index.html

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Those were process recounts, not result recounts.

Anyways, there is tons of evidence of election fraud. They stopped counting in the middle of the night, that alone is very suspicious.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Those were process recounts, not result recounts. Anyways, there is tons of evidence of election fraud.

All this evidence, yet none of them lasted more than a day in court.

They stopped counting in the middle of the night, that alone is very suspicious.

Or maybe elections are never completed in a single day? Poll workers are still human and need sleep.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

All this evidence, yet none of them lasted more than a day in court.

There have been 63 lawsuits filed over the Elections, which made allegations of vote fraud.

Of the 63 lawsuits dismissed, NONE has been granted discovery.

Of the 63 lawsuits dismissed, NONE has had a review of the fraud at hand.

Of the 63 lawsuits dismissed, they were dismissed on: no injury (there is no injury yet), no standing (you're not a party to the injury), or mootness (should have filed earlier).

Or maybe elections are never completed in a single day? Poll workers are still human and need sleep.

Some of the contested states had only been counting for a few hours by the time they abruptly decided to stop.

Here are the times the vote counting started at, in Eastern Time: Minnesota at 8 PM, Georgia at 7 PM, Nevada at 10 PM. Wisconsin at 7 AM, Michigan at 7 AM. Human exhaustion wasn't a factor, and even if it was, that just means you bring in more poll counters and go into overtime. You don't just stop counting.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Of the 63 lawsuits dismissed, they were dismissed on: no injury (there is no injury yet), no standing (you're not a party to the injury), or mootness (should have filed earlier).

I looked at some of the lawsuits and they seem to be desperate attempts at denying the election loss. For example, one lawsuit literally tried to get mail-in ballots thrown out. Sorry, that's not how fraud works. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-lawsuits-election-results-2020-11

Some of the contested states had only been counting for a few hours by the time they abruptly decided to stop. Here are the times the vote counting started at, in Eastern Time: Minnesota at 8 PM, Georgia at 7 PM, Nevada at 10 PM. Wisconsin at 7 AM, Michigan at 7 AM. Human exhaustion wasn't a factor, and even if it was, that just means you bring in more poll counters and go into overtime. You don't just stop counting.

It's always been like this, save for the current pandemic we're going through right now. But there is no requirement every single vote is to be counted in one day.

[–]Nasser 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

The White race has recovered numerous times in history from economic difficulties,what we cannot recover from is irreversible demographic change.It is our job as a movement to convince Whites to sacrifice materialism for values far greater.And no Whites in general did not vote for immigration and diversity. The Hart Cellar act was passed under premise it wouldn't significantly alter demographics, at the time according to polls only 7 percent wanted increased immigration and a much larger number wanted a reduction in immigration. In the 90s there was a referendum in California over granted services to illegal immigrants, the majority voted against in the referendum until a jewish judge overturned the referendum.

Look at the UK and the recent Hong Kong horde decision introduced by jew dominic raab, Brits were given no say on this, the media deliberately decline to cover it substantially despite the massive implications of this sort of decision.

White Australians were given no say on the end of White Australia,there was no referendum,no vote at all.

Europeans do not want ethnic replacement. https://www.rferl.org/a/data-visualization-eu-migrants/27237198.html

And it is our job to mobilize them,identify the enemies,look long term and act to defend themselves and their children.

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    [–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We can still influence them and pull them to our cause.Whenever that time comes and the system does collapse,they will be much easier to organize and coordinate. Electoralism does still have a chance to function, especially in Europe.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

    The White race has recovered numerous times in history from economic difficulties,what we cannot recover from is irreversible demographic change.It is our job as a movement to convince Whites to sacrifice materialism for values far greater.And no Whites in general did not vote for immigration and diversity. The Hart Cellar act was passed under premise it wouldn't significantly alter demographics, at the time according to polls only 7 percent wanted increased immigration and a much larger number wanted a reduction in immigration.

    Speaking of Canada, Justin Trudeau literally ran on a platform calling for the end of a "national" Canadian state and basically embraced the idea he wanted to make the country completely multicultural. He won such election twice, even when there was an explicit anti-immigration party running a few years ago that barely cracked more than 2% of the federal vote. There's no need to focus on Hart-Celler anymore, once the immigration flood gates was opened, White people didn't run another major politician who wanted to stop it, or he never received enough votes to make a difference.

    In the 90s there was a referendum in California over granted services to illegal immigrants, the majority voted against in the referendum until a jewish judge overturned the referendum. Look at the UK and the recent Hong Kong horde decision introduced by jew dominic raab, Brits were given no say on this,

    This only proves my point. The issue just isn't serious enough otherwise, we should see massive protest in response. Remember the 2003 Iraq War? Technically, George Bush didn't run on a "bomb foreign countries" platform, yet once he did pass such an order, there where protests all over the world calling for the USA to leave. If a bunch of Hong Kongers were known to come to Britain, yet native Brits aren't forming human chains around airports trying to stop them, then it sounds like they may have other issues on their mind. I could use the same example for Australia.

    And it is our job to mobilize them,identify the enemies,look long term and act to defend themselves and their children.

    George Lincoln Rockwell did this. And so did Enoch Powell. Keep in mind, these men literally existed when their countries where 80% white or more, and yet they still lost to more popular candidates who wanted to end segregation or import immigrants from the colonies.

    Again, I have to differ from the Alt-right's belief that White people were always kept in the dark on demographic change or that they're too clueless on their own. You only have to look at the platforms of the two leading parties to see what is their stance on diversity. White nationalism never registers. Alternate parties do exist but like in my Canada example, they barely paved a dent against Trudeau being re-elected twice.

    You eventually have to look at the science and understand that these nations now have cultures or social expectations in place that aren't going to deport millions of people or take away their citizenships by force. Especially when minority non-white groups are already on pace to become the next majority, killing any chances of them voting to remove themselves from Canada or the U.S.

    [–]Nasser 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Canada is a country that was basically founded as an extension of Britain, it has no definitive or unique culture.Canada is also entrenched within the US neoliberal sphere of influence. And also any political party that wants to rise needs funding and a media awareness.Alot of Nationalists parties outside of Europe lack this. Canadians also never had much of an idea of the impact of multiculturalism besides Asian migrants which are alot more easy to work with.

    In general Whites are kept in the dark about demographic change through media for example which directed our attention to other issues for example the war against communism or terrorism. Congress was lied to/ignorant over what the impact of HC would be.And this impact wasn't felt until really now when Whites dropped below 60 percent of the population.Most American's probably don't know what the act even is, that is our job to inform and motivate them.Another factor is the post WW2 economic complacency.

    The UK Hong Kong bill like I said the media was silent on this with only the rare article whenever it was passed.Brits are also again misdirected with the coronavirus lockdown and the impact.

    If you're trying to manipulate me into giving up,trust me you are not succeeding.I will never give in.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Canada is a country that was basically founded as an extension of Britain, it has no definitive or unique culture.Canada is also entrenched within the US neoliberal sphere of influence. And also any political party that wants to rise needs funding and a media awareness.Alot of Nationalists parties outside of Europe lack this. Canadians also never had much of an idea of the impact of multiculturalism besides Asian migrants which are alot more easy to work with.

    Canadians never had an idea of multiculturalism? Uh, they literally moved onto land where Native Indians already existed, and they passed laws that put a tax on Chinese people from moving there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_head_tax_in_Canada By the way, it was a Conservative Prime Minister [not Liberal] CONSERVATIVE, who demanded Canada apologize for discriminating against Chinese immigrants. Once again, both Left & Right, are motivated by diversity. White Canadians still felt motivated to vote for Harper after he made those comments.

    In general Whites are kept in the dark about demographic change through media for example which directed our attention to other issues for example the war against communism or terrorism.

    If you're White, you have eyes. If you're White, you can go visit the airport right now and see who is getting off airplanes and entering the country. The government never censored this. To be fair, there could be whites who live far away in the rural areas and don't come into contact with other groups. But in Canada's case, most of the population does live in the urban areas of Toronto or Vancouver. So it's impossible to hide this change from then.

    .And this impact wasn't felt until really now when Whites dropped below 60 percent of the population.

    The impact was always there. Again, the perfect example are cities. Non-whites were allowed to move into these areas and start running for politics or take on local jobs. Where was the protests, especially after these cities became very multicultural?

    Most American's probably don't know what the act even is, that is our job to inform and motivate them.Another factor is the post WW2 economic complacency.

    The Act no longer matters because the majority of politicians today have their own pro-immigration platform to stand by. Again, look at Joe Biden. He criticized Trump over his Border Camps, yet you're going to believe Whites were kept in the dark about this when Biden was speaking on national TV? In fact, go on youtube and the Biden/Trump debate has over 20 million views. White people never saw this?

    If you're trying to manipulate me into giving up,trust me you are not succeeding.I will never give in.

    You don't have to give up on the idea of preserving a white majority. I only question why nationalists think it's going to work in countries where mass immigration is basically the status quo? There's just no way Canada or the U.S will elect a dictator who is going to deport 50% of the non-white population when both Conservative & Liberal Whites are in favor of having more immigrants.

    [–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Largely not, European Canadians in general were the total majority in the country for most of it's history, even now their at 70 percent of the population. There are other reason why they would have voted for him, for example his economic policy, left wing media and altruistic education.Canada is once again in the US sphere of influence, European identitarianism is not just "there", it has to be activated,that's the job of the dissident right, we are acting against those who suppress it.

    I'm willing to bet most European Canadians live among their own people, even in cities.

    Your argument is basically just why didn't Europeans immediately act on these things at the times but you ignore the other factors that influence people.

    Russians in 1914 probably didn't expect the communists either.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Largely not, European Canadians in general were the total majority in the country for most of it's history, even now their at 70 percent of the population. There are other reason why they would have voted for him, for example his economic policy, left wing media and altruistic education.

    Voting for the Conservatives/NDP/People's Party carry the exact same reasons. Oddly enough, you seem to ignore that other minority groups have been able to vote for single issue politicians. Muslim Canadians for example, almost never vote Conservative. Despite their religion being anti-LGBT or anti-feminism, they still rather have Trudeau in power. For White people, there is no excuse. If they dislike Diversity, they could easily vote for any party that aims to decrease immigration but also believes in free healthcare or banning guns.

    European identitarianism is not just "there", it has to be activated,that's the job of the dissident right, we are acting against those who suppress it.

    I have a question for you. Can you show me anytime in the last 20 years when Europeans were "activated" and they put an Alt-Right [note, not Conservative] Person in power? Again, the pervasive ideas that Whites don't know anything about diversity (even though they work for companies that try and employ more non-white people, or they do mandatory "diversity training") is utterly naïve. If something was going horribly wrong where White people just couldn't stand the idea of becoming minorities anymore, than why are they not protesting everytime a non-white mayor is elected in their town? Or a non-white person comes to their company and even becomes CEO? Or like I said in the beginning, non-white just got off the airplanes at the airport?

    Your argument is basically just why didn't Europeans immediately act on these things at the times but you ignore the other factors that influence people.

    These factors don't contradict that White people should be able to express their discontent for diversity while also focusing on other issues like the economy or terrorism. When George Bush invaded Iraq, Democrats didn't try to convince themselves "Welp, there's nothing we can do. We only care about a Health system!" They immediately protested the war and there was civil unrest to get him out of office. Meanwhile, When Obama got elected 4 years later, we didn't see a giant crowd of White people go to the inauguration and protest they were about to be ruled by a black person. Too many examples like this exist, and the answer is Whites are already "activated" but they do nothing about these issues.

    Edit: But there was a massive protest against Biden that turned violent. So which one is it? White people are fine being replaced with Black Leaders but they reject White ones (i.e George Bush & Biden)?

    Russians in 1914 probably didn't expect the communists either.

    The Tsar and his embarrassments in losing Russia the war absolutely did predict something was going to happen to the government. The Communists winning the Civil War was a surprise, but not the actual Bolsheviks who got involved in the power vacuum.

    [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Largely not, European Canadians in general were the total majority in the country for most of it's history, even now their at 70 percent of the population.

    Source if you ever need it, table page 6 of pdf file

    https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/rp02_8-dr02_8/rp02_8.pdf

    [–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'll provide a reply tomorrow.

    [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Canada should be broken up into at least 6 countries/states. Atlantic, Quebec, Southern Ontario, Prairies/East of the Rockies, Northern and Arctic from East to West, and then the Southwest of the Rockies/Vancouver/Fraser Valley.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Speaking of Canada, Justin Trudeau literally ran on a platform calling for the end of a "national" Canadian state and basically embraced the idea he wanted to make the country completely multicultural. He won such election twice, even when there was an explicit anti-immigration party running a few years ago that barely cracked more than 2% of the federal vote.

    Trudeau won because he promised to legalize weed. Simple as.

    You only have to look at the platforms of the two leading parties to see what is their stance on diversity. White nationalism never registers.

    The purpose of the Uniparty is to keep populists out of power and to enact the will of financial elites. That doesn't mean they won't occasionally dog-whistle to more "radical" positions. White nationalism is far more popular than free market worship, and Donald Trump rode that nationalist undercurrent right into the Oval Office. And when he betrayed that initial base, he was done.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well that weed came at the cost of increasing immigration I guess. Sounds like a huge oversight on the Conservative's part, if they didn't think of the idea first.

    [–]Nasser 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I'll give you a full reply to you later but I'm asking what the fuck do you want me and other nationalists to do?Just sit around like complacent normies and not put any kind of effort into fighting for our people?

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I'll give you a full reply to you later but I'm asking what the fuck do you want me and other nationalists to do?Just sit around like complacent normies and not put any kind of effort into fighting for our people?

    No, I'm even suggesting more pragmatic ideas to preserve White people. I view the issue similar to Climate Change. People can still fight it, but scientists have been very clear about the "point of no return" in which some damage is permanent.

    Canada and the U.S have past such white "tipping points" already. But for a lot of European countries, there's still plenty of time to slow the damage. Some White European countries don't even have a lot of non-white immigrants at all and thus, the majority of attention should be going towards there instead.

    [–]Nasser 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Canada maybe but I don't think so for the US.Trump's victory in 2016 shows that White populism and anti immigration sentiment do exist within the country and can succeed with will and coordination.There are 200 million White Americans and the majority of non White populace is clustered mainly in states like California for example.It is far from over.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Trump was never a White Nationalist. His 2020 polling even showed he lost more White followers compared to his first 2016 run. And you seem to ignore that 200 million White Americans don't share the exact same belief. At least half are Liberal and got Biden into power. The other half may be "civic nationalists" and oppose illegal immigration, but they're not against the millions of legal ones who still come to the U.S every year. I'm not making this stuff up. This all comes from real data sets.

    [–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The majority of Whites vote Republican.The reason there was a swing towards Biden was because of Trump's behavior,reaction to covid and in effectiveness as a leader.Civic Nationalism is better than conservatism and liberalism and is a stepping stone to identitarianism.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Civic nationalism says "as long as they come here legally, they're citizens!". Liberalism says "Blacks/Asians/Hispanics are distinct groups that are oppressed". If you ask me, Liberalism is more identarian. But regardless, neither party have white nationalism added as their platform. Voting Democrat or Republican does not guarantee any racial breakup of the United States.

    [–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    No, I'm even suggesting more pragmatic ideas to preserve White people. I view the issue similar to Climate Change. People can still fight it, but scientists have been very clear about the "point of no return" in which some damage is permanent.

    You have an obvious agenda. So stating we are past some point of no return is a cope on your part. You want it to be past the point of no return.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You have an obvious agenda. So stating we are past some point of no return is a cope on your part. You want it to be past the point of no return.

    Take a look at this city in Canada. Especially the second paragraph.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond,_British_Columbia#Demographics

    60% of the population were never even born in the country. The "point of no return" is a scientific term referring to situations like this where White people don't even live in the same cities they founded. Making any other conclusions is your mistake.

    That doesn't mean all of Canada has to be like this or that there are no White countries without significant immigrant populations. Quite the opposite. But I am saying is be more realistic with your goals. All the urban population centers with high levels of diversity are never going to vote to remove themselves from the country. Want another example? Faith Goldy ran for Toronto mayor in 2018 with the goal of decreasing immigrants, but she only got 3.4% of the vote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Toronto_mayoral_election#Results

    Again, she was not even close into making Canada some kind of White majority haven again. The political support for it is dead in the water.

    [–]Nasser 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Rockwell ran under the Swastika which is a massive idiotic move considering just 20 years ago America was fighting that same ideology.There was significant opposition to desegregation in the US too for example George Wallace in 1968, keep in mind segregation was only really popular in the deep south.The Republicans won the majority of the elections post 1964, so much so the Democrats had to run moderate dems like Carter and Clinton to have a chance of winning.Again you have to understand the psychology and the information received by White Americans at the time that alot of other issues of the time that were focused on like communism and now terrorism.

    Powell was popular and he did have influence,I believe him defecting to Labour caused the Tories to lose an election but I can't be sure.He simply failed to capitalize on his popularity an not to mention the Neoliberal American establishment was against him.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Rockwell ran under the Swastika which is a massive idiotic move considering just 20 years ago America was fighting that same ideology.

    Wait, someone just told me 90% of U.S Serviceman wanted to join the Axis if segregation ended? If this was still fresh in the heads, they should have ran to Rockwell with open arms and made him President, not turn against the Swastika...

    There was significant opposition to desegregation in the US too for example George Wallace in 1968, keep in mind segregation was only really popular in the deep south.

    Well then, there's your problem. Unless the South was expected to carry every election, it was only a matter of time before the pro-segregationists would become a minority.

    Again you have to understand the psychology and the information received by White Americans at the time that alot of other issues of the time that were focused on like communism and now terrorism.

    One does not beget the other. They could have ran a politician who was against both (hence, George Rockwell).

    Powell was popular and he did have influence,I believe him defecting to Labour caused the Tories to lose an election but I can't be sure.He simply failed to capitalize on his popularity an not to mention the Neoliberal American establishment was against him.

    Then his failure to capitalize on this only doomed his successors since Britain has gotten less White than where it was in the 1970s.

    [–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I haven't seen a source for that statistic abut still the average American had every right to hate the swastika, considering Germany declared war on the United States and the US soldiers lost in the war.

    Segregation is a thing of it's a time and only would appeal to the people who implemented it.Opposition to mass immigration and multiculturalism can appeal to White's of any region provided they are educated and made aware of it and we are there to guide them.

    That was his fault then.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    My refutation is mass immigration or multiculturalism already appeals to whites, the same way the newly created Civil Rights Act appealed to WW2 veterans. If they want to stop it, they could do it right now. But millions of Whites could already have non-white friends, or they eat at ethnic restaurants, or they already accepted they're not going to have children for immigration to make a difference in their lives.

    [–]somewherenear 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Justin Trudeau has a minority government. The vast majority of Canadians, at least the whites, do not want more immigrants.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Justin Trudeau has a minority government.

    He still has the majority of seats and can easily work with other left-wing parties to pass his agenda.

    The vast majority of Canadians, at least the whites, do not want more immigrants.

    The only anti-immigration party in 2019 got 1.6% of the total votes. The level of disproval is clearly not working at the polls.

    Ironically, the only group who actually takes it seriously are Chinese Canadians. There was an incident a while ago where they protested against refugees coming. https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/8768961-police-descend-on-fist-swinging-markham-protest-against-illegal-border-crossers-/

    [–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    It's more realistic that a new white country is carved somewhere else on the planet.

    This is not realistic at all. Every piece of land on Earth is claimed by some country and none of them would give up their territories just so foreign people could live there. Partition of the US is much more realistic option. And also likely option given how polarization is on the rise with each passing year.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

    This is not realistic at all. Every piece of land on Earth is claimed by some country and none of them would give up their territories just so foreign people could live there.

    Plenty of micro nations, or countries with under 100,000 people exist. You could buy up enough land to the point independence becomes an option, or simply run a candidate every election who can win the majority of votes.

    Partition of the US is much more realistic option. And also likely option given how polarization is on the rise with each passing year.

    The last time the U.S was polarized was in 1861, and it required half the country to split apart in rebellion. Despite the saber rattling by the media, Democrats and Republicans are not in direct conflict with each other. Even more so is the idea that many companies who are entrenched in diversity are going to split up their own land by race. That's where Capitalism comes in again. Disney, Microsoft, Amazon etc prefer selling their products to every U.S citizen. They don't want to lose money seeing this pipeline ruptured.

    [–]antireddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Plenty of micro nations, or countries with under 100,000 people exist. You could buy up enough land to the point independence becomes an option, or simply run a candidate every election who can win the majority of votes.

    Yeah we get it, you want tiny scattered harmless enclaves of whites living under the mercy of their Jewish overlords who control the country overall. Sounds very cool rabbi.

    Even more so is the idea that many companies who are entrenched in diversity are going to split up their own land by race. That's where Capitalism comes in again. Disney, Microsoft, Amazon etc prefer selling their products to every U.S citizen. They don't want to lose money seeing this pipeline ruptured.

    You seem to think corporations like Disney and Amazon running society is somehow sustainable? Corporations only interests are their bottom lines, and to the extent some of them care about anything else its pushing Jewish ethnic interests because of the leverage they have within and over these corporations. Either way corrupt and socially destructive Jewish dominated corporations probably wont survive the next great depression, and frankly neither will modern day America. Your faith in corporations preventing an American collapse is some lolbert nonsense. They are partly what is going to cause the collapse.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Yeah we get it, you want tiny scattered harmless enclaves of whites living under the mercy of their Jewish overlords who control the country overall. Sounds very cool rabbi.

    This is a failed "gotcha". I clearly said in the OP that a new White country should have policies similar to Cuba or North Korea, i.e citizenship is only handed at birth, and entry inside the nation is forbidden under most circumstances. If you still think that's "Jewish" then I can't help you anymore.

    Notice that both nations are still around despite being hated immensely and even at one point was invaded (i.e bay of pigs), so what argument do you have left?

    You seem to think corporations like Disney and Amazon running society is somehow sustainable? The whole point is that they are driving society into the ground in part because corporations only interests are their bottom lines, and to the extent some of them care about anything else its pushing Jewish ethnic interests because of who essentially controls them. Either way corrupt and toxic Jewish dominated corporations wont survive the next great depression, and frankly neither will modern day America.

    Like it or not, these companies exist as the economic engine behind the U.S. There will never be an act of self sabotage that is suppose to make them less powerful, and as I said in another reply, money influences politics, not the other way around. They'll clearly buy their way to victory if they have to survive.

    [–]antireddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    This is a failed "gotcha". I clearly said in the OP that a new White country should have policies similar to Cuba or North Korea, i.e citizenship is only handed at birth, and entry inside the nation is forbidden under most circumstances. If you still think that's "Jewish" then I can't help you anymore.

    Why would whites build totalitarian marxist nations built on pseudo religious personality cults? I dont know why you think those would be some model ethnostates? Ethnically homogenous white nations existed fine for hundreds of years without resorting to any of that madness, so why would whites choose those as a model? I get that YOU think thats a great idea, but that means nothing.

    If you still think that's "Jewish" then I can't help you anymore.

    Its Jewish in that you think an ethnically homogenous white nation could only exist as a representation of the most lunatic and repressive regimes on earth, when in fact they existed for hundreds of years ago as the antithesis of North Korea. Jews see any example of white solidarity as evil and insane(while seeing far worse Jewish ethnocentrism as perfectly normal). No, we dont need a white North Korea. The idea is absurd.

    Like it or not, these companies exist as the economic engine behind the U.S. There will never be an act of self sabotage that is suppose to make them less powerful, and as I said in another reply, money influences politics, not the other way around. They'll clearly buy their way to victory if they have to survive.

    Those corporations rely on a consumer base to maintain themselves and wield influence. Henry Ford understood that the key to sustainable capitalism is a large healthy middle class with which to buy products. That middle class is now evaporating thanks to the likes of Disney and Amazon, the corporations you worship. Wealth is increasingly being concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. We are developing into a third world economy, and with that will come increasing unrest and discontent.

    Sure the system can be maintained for a time by just printing and borrowing money, as we have been increasingly doing, but that is not sustainable indefinitely. All that does is delay the collapse, and make the collapse even worse when it comes. The US is 30 plus trillion dollars in debt and getting worse every day. These corporations ARE self sabotaging by sabotaging the middle class and the most productive members of society. They are sabotaging the nation while enriching themselves, and increasingly shipping jobs and wealth overseas. This system is not maintainable. If people cant feed or house themselves it doesnt matter what woke CGI capeshit disney pumps out. They cant buy their way to victory if nobody can afford their products and people are angry, and they are increasingly angry even before the consequences of their corrupt mismanagement come about. They cant distract people forever with woke bullshit that people increasingly resent, and they cant supress this dissent forever through censorship and deplatforming.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Why would whites build totalitarian marxist nations built on pseudo religious personality cults? I dont know why you think those would be some model ethnostates?

    Ironically, those are the only definite examples of ethnostates that can survive in the modern world. Your rambling about Jews clearly shows you don't understand this.

    Its Jewish in that you think an ethnically homogenous white nation could only exist as a representation of the most lunatic and repressive regimes on earth, when in fact they existed for hundreds of years ago as the antithesis of North Korea. Jews see any example of white solidarity as evil and insane(while seeing far worse Jewish ethnocentrism as perfectly normal). No, we dont need a white North Korea. The idea is absurd.

    Well I'm not Jewish, and I find it really weird bizarre you attack an idea that's meant to solve the problem of preserving an ethnic group first, rather than what the ideology behind it is. Maybe you dream of having multiple Hitlers and National Socialism being put in place in every White nation, but WW2 demonstrated such a candle couldn't even stay burning for more than 6 years. And that's honestly the Alt-right's downfall. If you really value White people, I honestly wouldn't care if there was an island full of them that practice some weird cult belief that are closed off to the rest of the world. That's basically what Mormons or Amish people are, do you hate them for being White? Just as long as they're not hell bent on invading nations and claiming everyone is a Jew like Germany did, then we finally solved the race question.

    Those corporations rely on a consumer base to maintain themselves and wield influence. Henry Ford understood that the key to sustainable capitalism is a large healthy middle class with which to buy products. That middle class is now evaporating thanks to the likes of Disney and Amazon, the corporations you worship. Wealth is increasingly being concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. We are developing into a third world economy, and with that will come increasing unrest and discontent.Sure the system can be maintained for a time by just printing and borrowing money, as we have been increasingly doing, but that is not sustainable indefinitely. All that does is delay the collapse, and make the collapse even worse when it comes. The US is 30 plus trillion dollars in debt and getting worse every day. These corporations ARE self sabotaging by sabotaging the middle class and the most productive members of society. They are sabotaging the nation while enriching themselves, and increasingly shipping jobs and wealth overseas. This system is not maintainable. If people cant feed or house themselves it doesnt matter what woke CGI capeshit disney pumps out. They cant buy their way to victory if nobody can afford their products and people are angry, and they are increasingly angry even before the consequences of their corrupt mismanagement come about. They cant distract people forever with woke bullshit that people increasingly resent, and they cant supress this dissent forever through censorship and deplatforming.

    America is going to be around forever. Everything from its founding, to its highly defended location and now its economic prosperity basically act like video game cheatcodes where the country can just "wish" itself into being #1. Notice how all the other worldly challengers eventually gave up once they challenged the U.S for direct supremacy? They all failed and yeah, China too is going to learn this the hard way.

    The solution is simple though. Want to live around Whites and reject the U.S culture? Then simply leave and find a more whiter nation in Europe or start a new one. The time for America electing Hitler or a White Nationalist is dead and we have no one else to blame but ourselves. But rather than sulk and cry about this, take this as an opportunity to learn how the world really works. America or Canada were never going to be majority white superpowers forever because every Billionaire CEO knows there was more money to make from immigration and attracting foreign talent instead of chasing after racial purity. That's it. It's not even a conspiracy. It's human beings acting out their self interests of wanting more power instead of just stagnating.

    [–]antireddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Ironically, those are the only definite examples of ethnostates that can survive in the modern world.

    Funny you completely omit any mention of Israel. Israel is the very definition of an ethnostate, and one that was just recently built on top of other peoples land no less. Jewish or not, you appear to be a neocon.

    Well I'm not Jewish, and I find it really weird bizarre you attack an idea that's meant to solve the problem of preserving an ethnic group first, rather than what the ideology behind it is. Maybe you dream of having multiple Hitlers and National Socialism being put in place in every White nation, but WW2 demonstrated such a candle couldn't even stay burning for more than 6 years. And that's honestly the Alt-right's downfall. If you really value White people, I honestly wouldn't care if there was an island full of them that practice some weird cult belief that are closed off to the rest of the world. Just as long as they're not hell bent on invading nations and claiming everyone is a Jew like Germany did, then we finally solved the race question.

    Who the fuck said anything about Nazis or Hitler? You just pulled some long rant about your love of Israel and hatred of Nazis out of your ass for no particular reason, but nice strawman. You SURE you arent Jewish?

    America is going to be around forever. Everything from its founding, to its highly defended location and now its economic prosperity basically act like video game cheatcodes where they country can just "wish" itself into being #1. Notice how all the other worldly challengers eventually gave up once they challenged the U.S for direct supremacy.

    Spare me your phony patriotism. I'm loyal to the people of this nation. You're loyal to Disney and Amazon. To you America is just an economic ideology, to me it's a lot more.

    The solution is simple though. Want to live around Whites and reject the U.S culture? Then simply leave and find a more whiter nation in Europe or start a new one. The time for America electing Hitler or a White Nationalist is dead and we have no one else to blame but ourselves.

    There you go with the Hitler shit again Ari. I have no love for the Nazis, and honestly the same group waging demographic warfare in the US are doing it to Europe, so there's nowhere left to run or hide. They are going after every corner of Europe and the anglosphere, no place is safe. I'm not in love with whites, but nor am I just going to ignore what is being intentionally done to them by a hostile group with increasingly unchecked power. If you really arent Jewish then your an idiot. You are shilling for a group that uses you for their own ends and cares nothing for you.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Funny you completely omit any mention of Israel. Israel is the very definition of an ethnostate, and one that was just recently built on top of other peoples land no less. Jewish or not, you appear to be a neocon.

    Israel is the "Brazil" of religions. Unless you had this idea that Israelis were all Ashkenazis or European descended, no, plenty of Jews from Africa exist. Their government even paid to bring back Ethiopian Jews by airplane in 1990s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Solomon

    So no, not really an ethnostate. Unless you want to found a Protestant nation and airlift Black Christians or Asians as well?

    In regards to Israel building itself on other people's land, well it's also going to backfire on them eventually. Palestinians have really high birth rates, and all of them reject offers to give up their right of return. Unless they agree to a separate two state solutions, Palestinians will eventually get absorbed into Israel similar to what South Africa went through when apartheid ended.

    Who the fuck said anything about Nazis or Hitler? You just pulled some long rant about your love of Israel and hatred of Nazis out of your ass for no particular reason, but nice strawman. You SURE you arent Jewish?

    Well then I apologize if you aren't arguing for Nazism or Hitler rule in White countries.

    Oh spare me your phony patriotism. I'm loyal to the people of this nation. You're loyal to Disney and Amazon. To you America is just an economic ideology, to me it's a lot more. I put my ass on the line for this country, only to see it taken over by a group of corrupt misanthropists who openly seek to demonize me and people like me for the color of our skin while doing the bidding of a foreign nation that never does anything in return.

    Well every nation on this Earth can be summed up to an ideology. That's why we have culture and it has a huge influence on society. American culture has always been hyper Capitalist, thus it's no surprise to see Disney or Microsoft or Amazon push this mantle. What happen to the people who live under this culture is they get absorbed by it. Black, Asian, Hispanic Americans. None of them are exactly voting for Communism. Hell, Bernie Sanders got defeated by Biden, this is more proof the U.S culture continues to be Centre rather than complete Left.

    There you go with the Hitler shit again Ari. I have no love for the Nazis, and honestly the same group waging demographic warfare in the US are doing it to Europe, so there's nowhere left to run or hide. They are going after every corner of Europe and the anglosphere, no place is safe. I'm not in love with whites, but nor am I just going to ignore what is being intentionally done to them by a hostile group with increasingly unchecked power. If you really arent Jewish then your an idiot. You are shilling for a group that uses you for their own ends and cares nothing for you.

    I honestly only met a Jew once in my life. And it was those stereotypical ultra orthodox guys who go to temple every day. I honestly didn't really pay attention to him, and he didn't pay attention to me. I just don't see why I should. But you are wrong that somehow every European country is doomed. Hungary for example, has a Prime Minister/President who is paying his own citizens to have more children. Why not move to that country and contribute? Otherwise, you're just typing away at a computer while the world continues to rotate.

    [–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Plenty of micro nations, or countries with under 100,000 people exist. You could buy up enough land to the point independence becomes an option, or simply run a candidate every election who can win the majority of votes.

    This plan stands on some very generous assumptions. Namely that any countries would even allow people buy up part of their territories and let it secede. And whether we would be able to afford it, however it would cost. And who did you mean by "you"? People on this sub or white nationalists in general? Because I doubt we would have enough money for such project.

    The last time the U.S was polarized was in 1861, and it required half the country to split apart in rebellion. Despite the saber rattling by the media, Democrats and Republicans are not in direct conflict with each other.

    I'm not saying it will happen tomorrow but it will be a reality in a few decades whether we like it or not. Liberals and conservatives hate each other already and nothing suggests this will change any time soon. It's only matter of time when people in both camps realize that partition is the best solution for everyone. As for right now, 29% of people support the idea of US breaking up. Maybe it will be sooner than few decades. Who knows?

    Even more so is the idea that many companies who are entrenched in diversity are going to split up their own land by race. That's where Capitalism comes in again. Disney, Microsoft, Amazon etc prefer selling their products to every U.S citizen. They don't want to lose money seeing this pipeline ruptured.

    You seem to be weirdly obsessed with capitalism and corporations. Perhaps you should change your name to "radicalleftist". It would be more fitting in light of all your posts really.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    This plan stands on some very generous assumptions. Namely that any countries would even allow people buy up part of their territories and let it secede. And whether we would be able to afford it, however it would cost. And who did you mean by "you"? People on this sub or white nationalists in general? Because I doubt we would have enough money for such project.

    I never said the plan was going to be cheap. It's obviously going to cost money. But that's true of any investment.

    Although keep in mind, the point is to bring whites from all over the world and form a new stronghold. So it's a collaborative effort.

    I'm not saying it will happen tomorrow but it will be a reality in a few decades whether we like it or not. Liberals and conservatives hate each other already and nothing suggests this will change any time soon. It's only matter of time when people in both camps realize that partition is the best solution for everyone. As for right now, 29% of people support the idea of US breaking up. Maybe it will be sooner than few decades. Who knows?

    Any hatred can be chalked up to WWE level acting. We see this all the time with swing states. The same people who voted for Trump had also voted for Obama before. Unless they're going to point a knife at themselves, the Left & Right will learn to get along like they have for years now.

    You seem to be weirdly obsessed with capitalism and corporations. Perhaps you should change your name to "radicalleftist". It would be more fitting in light of all your posts really.

    I use Capitalism as a tool to explain WHY we see such behavior going on. Money controls politics, not the other way around. The first casualty that comes with splitting the U.S are businesses who operate in many states. They're not going to be happy when half their clients are cut off, or their headquarters operates in territory that is directly hostile to them. Unless you want people to go starving, it's just not realistic to see many companies fold or have their source of income decimated because people think race is more important.

    Edit: And with the current Covid pandemic, endangering small businesses is going to bring a lot of financial ruin to these divided nations.

    [–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I never said the plan was going to be cheap. It's obviously going to cost money. But that's true of any investment.

    And that's in most favorable conditions. the most likely situation is that no country on earth would sell their lands to bunch of foreigners and let them create their own nation there.

    Unless they're going to point a knife at themselves, the Left & Right will learn to get along like they have for years now.

    Situation is different now than it has been in past years. Now you have people from both political sides openly saying they hate the other party [1] [2].

    They're not going to be happy when half their clients are cut off, or their headquarters operates in territory that is directly hostile to them. Unless you want people to go starving, it's just not realistic to see many companies fold or have their source of income decimated because people think race is more important.

    Clients? I think you meant customers and they wouldn't be "cut off". They would be in the same position as people in Europe, Canada and any other nation where people buy their product. Nobody would starve and their income wouldn't be decimated either.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    And that's in most favorable conditions. the most likely situation is that no country on earth would sell their lands to bunch of foreigners and let them create their own nation there.

    Gotta make a start somewhere. Even if outright buying a country is a distant target, winning over politics with an increasing population of white immigrants is the second best option.

    Situation is different now than it has been in past years. Now you have people from both political sides openly saying they hate the other party [1] [2].

    Last week, a Democratic Congresswoman organized a fundraiser for Texas when the Republican Senator tried to sneak out during a natural emergency and fly to Mexico (heh). Don't let the hatred distract from how the U.S is actually run. Even during the Trump years, Republicans bragged about passing bipartisan bills such as prison reform. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/21/trump-prison-reform-first-step-act-signed-law

    Clients? I think you meant customers and they wouldn't be "cut off". They would be in the same position as people in Europe, Canada and any other nation where people buy their product. Nobody would starve and their income wouldn't be decimated either.

    I'm going to have disagree with you because partitioning off vital resources or infrastructure has always lead to bad blood between competing nations. It might be an extreme example, but you can see the amount of violence that splitting a holy city like Jerusalem has done for Israel & Palestine. Now imagine repeating this for ALL major cities in the U.S. Who gets the capital (Washington D.C)? Who gets New York? Who gets the oil fields in Texas or the Nuclear submarines? And that's before we start talking about splitting the major industries up who have offices and branches spread throughout the country.

    [–]antireddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I use Capitalism as a tool to explain WHY we see such behavior going on. Money controls politics, not the other way around. The first casualty that comes with splitting the U.S are businesses who operate in many states. They're not going to be happy when half their clients are cut off, or their headquarters operates in territory that is directly hostile to them.

    This is why balkanization of the US wont happen until the system collapses under the weight of its own debt and increasing societal and economic dysfunction, but once it does balkanization is probably the most likely outcome barring a bloody psychopathic totalitarian state ruled over by a corrupt ruthless elite, which the Jewish elite will almost certainly push for. In fact they are slowly trying to set up such a state now.

    Right now they still have carrots to dangle in addition to sticks to punish, but once the system collapses and the US becomes a full fledged failed state, they will have only the stick.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    If the U.S collapses, I honestly don't believe anyone will want to live there. It will unironically look like the next Syria, with foreign governments sponsoring local militia groups to take control of strategic territory. The complete loss of civility will push millions of people into becoming refugees and seeking out more safer land.

    But this is all a fever dream. Plenty of countries cannot afford to let the USA die, since it will throw the entire world into chaos.

    Makes for great fan fiction though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beYDa8B82tA

    [–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Plenty of countries cannot afford to let the USA die, since it will throw the entire world into chaos.

    Yes it would, and because of globalism its collapse will bring the whole globalist system down. That doesnt mean those countries would be able to do anything to prevent this collapse. Europe is being destroyed in the same way the US is. It will be more resistant to collapse because it retains more ethnic homogeneity and less Jewish influence, but it wont be able to save the US.

    You dont think the US can collapse, but yet relatively small scale disasters like Hurricane Katrina or even a cold snap in Texas show just how fragile our society and crumbling infrastructure has become, to say nothing of the mass riots that gripped the nation for almost a year because of fake news and a little jewish oligarch astroturfing. US society is a powderkeg and the Jewish elite are just making it worse every day.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Yes it would, and because of globalism its collapse will bring the whole globalist system down. That doesnt mean those countries would be able to do anything to prevent this collapse. Europe is being destroyed in the same way the US is. It will be more resistant to collapse because it retains more ethnic homogeneity and less Jewish influence, but it wont be able to save the US.

    If America dies, it's going to take down a lot of nations with it. Sorry, there's just no escaping that scenario with how interconnected the world is now. Just recall how parts of Eastern Europe are still feeling the effects of the Soviet Union collapsing and even the many future wars it influenced. The death of America will be 100x worse than this.

    You dont think the US can collapse, but yet relatively small scale disasters like Hurricane Katrina or even a cold snap in Texas show just how fragile our society and crumbling infrastructure has become, to say nothing of the mass riots that gripped the nation for almost a year because of fake news and a little jewish oligarch astroturfing. US society is a powderkeg and the Jewish elite are just making it worse every day.

    The only time the U.S collapsed was through a Civil War. And even then, the Union or 'North' still controlled all the important industrial sectors, whereas the Southern parts only had cotton and agriculture as a stick to wag with. Hurricanes and cold snaps are child's play in comparison to this.

    [–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    US society in 1860 bears zero resemblance to today, and it never collapsed, you just had two opposing sides that fought a war. It was also an ethnically homogenous and highly religious anglo protestant nation. It's leaders were of the same stock as its poor. I dont even know why you bring it up.

    What point are you trying to make exactly? I understand a collapse would be horrible. That in and of itself has zero bearing on whether a collapse happens. The US economy collapsed almost overnight in 1929, and we are in an even more precarious position today. Not just economically, but socially and ethnically. We werent the cauldron of competing and divided tribes we are today, nor were we ruled over by a corrupt hostile ethno religious group that has zero history of successfully running a nation. All the indications are that the US would see a total breakdown of social order when things get bad, and the conditions for things getting bad are all in place, its only a matter of time.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    US society in 1860 bears zero resemblance to today, and it never collapsed, you just had two opposing sides that fought a war. It was also an ethnically homogenous and highly religious anglo protestant nation. It's leaders were of the same stock as its poor. I dont even know why you bring it up. What point are you trying to make exactly? I understand a collapse would be horrible. That in and of itself has zero bearing on whether a collapse happens. The US economy collapsed almost overnight in 1929, and we are in an even more precarious position today. Not just economically, but socially and ethnically. We werent the cauldron of competing and divided tribes we are today, nor were we ruled over by a corrupt hostile ethno religious group that has zero history of successfully running a nation. All the indications are that the US would see a total breakdown of social order when things get bad, and the conditions for things getting bad are all in place, its only a matter of time.

    You know, I've read these comments all the time about how the U.S is somehow becoming a terrible place to live or that ethnic tensions are rising, yet immigration to America remains at an all time high but violent crime has dropped significantly. That's not the sign of a nation that is suppose to collapse. You even mentioned that the U.S Civil War was brought about two ethnically homogenous and religious sides killing each other. Well, the USA today has even more races and religions compared to 1860, but there hasn't been an apocalyptic race war that by all means, should have happened already.

    It's not to anyone's major benefit to let the USA be allowed to destroy itself. Both immigrants, Western allies and corporations alike understand this system, and will do everything to make sure it stays in place.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I've never known an interesting person who described themselves as a 'centrist' and you're really confirming that bias. Tired of arguing about the colour of shit are you so you forced yourself to vomit this up?

    [–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    it becomes impossible to deny that these countries have voted to open their borders and become minorities.

    Absolutely wrong. I expect you to change what you just wrote after looking at this historical polling data. There's never been a polled majority that wanted increased immigration but there has been a majority that wanted it reduced.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Edit: I will admit that at one point in time, there was a majority who wanted to decrease immigration. But that belief only stayed constant from 1978 to 2014 in which case, it has now dropped and represents only 28% of the current opinion. Support for increasing immigration began in 1999 and it overtook the people who wanted to decrease it in 2020.

    [–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    There's still no majority that wants to increase immigration, therefore being democratic and all, there should never have been any increases in immigration, ever. Minority support switching percentages is irrelevant to this conversation.

    Having 28% support for something doesn't mean you get to impose your will on the rest of society.

    A government that violates the will of the people is an illegitimate government.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There's still no majority that wants to increase immigration, therefore being democratic and all, there should never have been any increases in immigration, ever. Minority support switching percentages is irrelevant to this conversation. Having 28% support for something doesn't mean you get to impose your will on the rest of society. A government that violates the will of the people is an illegitimate government.

    That's not how it works. The USA was never an absolute democracy. Otherwise, someone like Hillary Clinton would have been President instead of Trump if only total votes mattered. Second, you need to demonstrate the actual crime that was being committed when immigration was raised. It's safe to say majority opinion was against this, but that doesn't reflect whether or not something is legal.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm hoping for some sort of post-apocalyptic mad max scenario where future warlord and great white hope, Barron Trump, leads the white clan to military victory, reclaiming our white lebensraum in the Americas.