Regarding the whole 13/50 thing

submitted by HellusENG from self.debatealtright

I understand that these statistics are true and that this isn't some fable from some biased source or whatever, but what I have my reservations with are the implications of this. To me the most common implication that is used by white nationalists and people from that view is that according to the statistics black people are ALL criminals. I'll give an analogy: The sex ratio of males to female in abusing animals is circa 29 to 1. Does that mean that all men should be banned from adopting animals? Of course not, because even though men are highly more likely to abuse animals, animal abusers only represent a fraction of the whole of animal owners. Similarly with blacks: a large majority of them aren't criminals. Yet in most of these forums like 4chan and here these statistics are used as like an incitement , like look how likely it is for a black person to commit a crime and look how likely it is for a black person to attack a white person and vice-versa, which creates this antipathy towards all black people and a rationale for being racist.

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[–]DisgustResponse 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Because people aren't born out of thin air. We have families. We have cultures. We have a social context. Where do you think criminal blacks come from? Are they grown in a lab, or do they come out of their own shitty communities to spoil the peace of others? Individualization for these things is just willful ignorance, which is sad because everyone used to intuitionally get this until recently.

American blacks are a vicious, hostile people and I want nothing to do with them.

[–]AngryBannedRedditor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Where do you think criminal blacks come from?

Single mothers.

[–]LookAtThatNose 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

What makes single mothers?

[–]AngryBannedRedditor 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Women picking scumbags to get knocked up by.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Blacks

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Most Pit Bulls are friendly, but they're still over represented in dog attacks.

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2018/09/20180914_Deadly_Dogs_Forbes.jpg

Doesn't mean I'll run away from every dog in public, but the rule is to be more cautious around certain breeds. The same concept applies with humans.

Around blacks, never relax.

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    [–]SoylentCapitalist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    To us, there is no such thing as an individual.

    Sounds terribly depressing.

    Do what good blacks offer make up for the trillions of dollars they take in welfare use, or making our cities inhospitable?

    Good blacks aren't taking welfare.

    We can have society without black people.

    You'd have a better shot at removing blacks with criminal records, or on welfare, rather than removing good blacks from their homes. People are never going to agree with you on the latter, in the US.

    [–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Good blacks aren't taking welfare.

    Not entirely true. While there's obviously a huge overlap between the blacks of poor character and the blacks taking welfare, outsourcing of low-skilled jobs and (mostly Hispanic) immigrants taking their jobs is also a significant factor (just like it is to poor whites and US-born Hispanics). Plus the fact that both welfare and wages of low-skilled jobs in the US are so low that even combined they usually aren't enough to make ends meet, forcing many lower-class Americans to have two or even three jobs simultaneously as well as take welfare.

    If you want to fix the black problem in the US, the best way to go about it would be to (legally, of course) sterilize and then get rid of the ones who commit violent crimes and/or are anti-white, and prohibit the low-IQ ones and the ones who refuse to contribute to society despite having both the opportunity and ability to do so from reproducing (as we should do with everyone regardless of race anyways).

    [–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    prohibit the low-IQ ones and the ones who refuse to contribute to society despite having both the opportunity and ability to do so from reproducing

    Agreed, but I doubt the US would see a decent eugenics program for a long time.

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      [–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      In my mind, all the great things in life come on the collective level.

      You can have a collective without ignoring the individual.

      Race mixing is an experiment that fundamentally doesn't work out.

      Depends on the parts being mixed. In the US if you get rid of bad blacks you're not left with very many anyway even if the population decides to become homogenous.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      The sex ratio of males to female in abusing animals is circa 29 to 1.

      What does this look like if you break it down by race?

      [–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The purpose of the 13/50 meme is to explode the idea of equality, in much the same way that your example about animal abusers demonstrates that the sexes are not equal. Bear in mind that "a large majority of them aren't criminals" means that the 13 could be replaced by maybe a 1, making the comparison all the more striking.

      [–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't think you are acting in good faith here. Please provide a proof of your statement: "Yet in most of these forums like 4chan and here these statistics are used as like an incitement , like look how likely it is for a black person to commit a crime and look how likely it is for a black person to attack a white person and vice-versa, which creates this antipathy towards all black people and a rationale for being racist."

      This is pure fantasy created by whatever propaganda media you consume.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Assuming your statistic about male abuse of animals is true (I highly doubt it) what does that have to do with blacks? We can't remove men from society. We can remove blacks.

      [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The 13/50 meme is just that. A meme.

      There are more problems than crime rates but the obvious stats are a good starting place because they're impossible to deny. People have to ramble on about slavery hundreds of years ago to justify teenagers dropping out of high school to commit crimes, it's laughable on it's face.