What do we do about the inevitability of increasing false flags and staged events that sour the normie populace on dissident ideas?

submitted by send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist from self.debatealtright

This goyim TV video is a clear example of increasing federal agent provocateur operations.

https://www.goyimtv.tv/l/1398331008/Crashing-a-Pro-Israel-Rally---High-Speed-Chases

If you don't have time to watch the whole thing check out the 4 minute mark and 12-18 minute mark. The guy in the passenger seat with the SS shirt is clearly a Jew or mischling. The driver seems off to me as well. Might be former military?

Nothing about this video (or this 'goyim tv' site) seems organic. If you think I'm wrong let me know about it.

I worry that if these psychological operations continue unabated it will not only permanently turn the normie populace against our ideas but will radicalize them to a point they vote in draconian laws. I fear a Turner Diaries future where we be rounded up and imprisoned or killed simply for thought crimes or owning weapons, literature, etc. There doesn't seem to be any obvious way to counter all of this except for running away into rural communities to do sustenance farming and even that will probably be eliminated when the Agenda 21 project starts pressuring local governments to ban rain water collection, buying seed, off grid living, butchering/raising cattle, etc.

What's the plan frens?

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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You can't really control lone wolves or roleplaying neo-nazis that do their self-sabotaging demonstrations. All you can really do is ignore them and just move on. Not everyone should participate in public white activism. On one of the streams of Greg Johnson on Counter Currents, he advocates you should only participate in white activism if you can follow of the principle of doing no harm. It doesn't mean you have to kick out all the well intention individuals, it just means they will have to occupy roles that are not part of public activism. You are still going to need web programmers, graphics designers, and people that process mail, money orders, print out pamphlets, benefactors, etc.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But are those lone wolves, or is that manufactured antisemitism? Are "self-sabotaging demonstrations" helpful or harmful to the jews? How many times before have we seen jews making their own antisemitism, because they believe it helps their cause? Many.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There are genuine lone wolves that are just working class people that don't have much going for them in life. People with low self-esteem sometimes gravitate towards identities that they perceive will give them a cause to fight for and notoriety. This doesn't absolve Jewish influence because they adopt the caricature crafted by the media as a means of showing their resistance against society. They don't realize the caricature is not designed to be seen as a worthy adversary but an object of ridicule or as a symbol of evil. If Jews see the opposition as genuinely threatening they will co-opt the ideology and insert ideas that will lead to good things for Jews or disarm the means for the ideology of being effective politically.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are genuine lone wolves that are just working class people that don't have much going for them in life.

And... if we were allowed to organize politically without being beaten in the streets, banned from the financial system, social media, etc. we could give those same lone wolves sane advice to NOT do anything violent, but rather practice the sort of politics our ancestors could. If we were allowed to preach openly, like BLM people are, we could make sure the public knows we AREN'T the terrorists or morons they say we are, since we can't even defend ourselves in the court of public opinion. The whole game is rigged against Whites, but somehow we live in a "White Supremacist culture" that must be torn down. What a joke.

Perhaps people should read The Culture of Critique.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, probably the major problem is the difficulty of organization and what is the best political strategy for achieving ethnic self-determination. Entryism seem to work for leftists but it is hard to say whether they were smart strategically or just had state and elite influence that basically handing them those positions over a few generations. I don't think nationalists can count on that happening in a few generations because they have no state or elite backing and their demographics declining. Some people have suggested parallel institutions but where do you plant your flag and get the people to fund, build and manage these institutions? This is also includes resisting potential informants, subversives and other forms of state intervention. Who knows? I hope some people figure it out the solution and starting working towards major goals.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At this stage of the game it's probably best to just fundraise for legal defense teams for people like Counter Currents, Amren, etc. There are better writers than me with better optics, we just need to make sure they aren't squelched.

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    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    The best way to counter this is to form a coherent vision for the future.

    Absolutely agree. Not just a vision but genuine leaders and communities. Whites can endure almost anything as long as they have some type of vision and genuine leadership. Conversely that's what seems to be most attacked.

    I think I woke up too late in life to do it effectively.

    I find myself thinking the same way. I have to frequently remind myself: you don't have to fix it all yourself. Many hands make light work. Even small acts can make a big difference.

    This young man named Richard the Lionheart was on Ayatollah's Friday Night Dinner last week and he gave me hope for the future.

    Here's how he ended his interview:

    https://youtu.be/2Ftr0wRzxKw?t=10899

    edit. I clipped the audio for saving and sharing

    https://files.catbox.moe/um5ohi.mp3

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Boy Scouts used to be a great organization for just this sort of thing. Gosh, I wonder why they destroyed it?

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Don't remind me. I'm an eagle scout and I was disgusted when they started the attacks on scouting. Unfortunately I couldn't really comprehend what was happening because I was still a liberal.

    Interestingly, the scouts were already quite neutral on religion and homosexuality. You didn't have to be Christian or a member of the church the troop was run from you simply had to acknowledge God (you couldn't technically openly declare atheism even though I know many troops that wouldn't have cared). You didn't have to be straight just non degenerate i.e. 'morally straight'.

    The BSA wasn't even anti LGBT. The closest they got is showing me and my fellow scouts a video on homosexual predators. I.e. people that might invite you to do chores at their home and then try to rape you. This video kept me out of some dangerous situations and I'm glad the scouts showed it to me.

    Of course once the LGBT community gained enough size and momentum they got more aggressive. The LGBT community and feminists came after any organization that didn't expressly endorse them. If you don't signal bold support then you must be in opposition. In other words the fact that the BSA didn't want boys sexualized is what destroyed them. That's a scary thought when you think about it. What's even scarier is that very few people really stood up to fight for the scouts. I think it's because liberalism and in a way conservatism as well blocks your mind from comprehending why an institution like scouting is important and why it's under attack. People just quietly allowed another precious implicitly white institution that prepared young men for monogamy, military structure, fitness and leadership to fall to anti white globo homo.

    Unfortunately things have gotten so bad I don't think I'd be putting my boys in a scouting program even if it was the 'old' BSA. The last thing I'd want is my boy thinking this country is worth defending. A military career means defending Israel and anti white Jewish interests around the globe and I won't have my offspring engaged in that.

    If you don't mind I want to make one more observation. I think the seeds for the destruction of scouting and other similar institutions were planted when conservatives didn't find an effective counter to the charge of 'racist' 'sexist' and 'homophobe'. All three of these labels are just attacks on european breeding and european culture. The conservative strategy seemed to be that they would openly declare they oppose homophobia but then they use money and separation to keep white culture going under the table. For example white conservatives continued to marry people of the same race and opposite sex. Little did they know that they would never be left alone. Cucks and cowards will always be targeted. Once you except your enemies premise that you are evil then they are going to eventually dismantle everything you love and if you speak out they are going to call you names and destroy you in the public. You're never going to have a libertarian paradise where you can have a nice white community hidden from the rest of society. You have to fight for things you love or you don't really love them.

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm an eagle scout

    Badass. That's not trivial.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Thanks Fitter. I got a lot of shit in high school for staying in the scouts to do leadership roles but I thought it was worth it and I'm glad I did it. It pains me to see that future generations of young men won't get the opportunity.

    [–]blowininthewind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    i think nobody's a real fool, and nobody is a real genius either. some ppl looked more than their peers would and found something but eventually we all learn. because humans are similar, which means their desires, fears, and plans are similar.