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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

We were promised flying cars, but instead we've got burning cars.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

By the way, can anyone explain why Native Indians are actually doing better than Hispanics in school?

It's all the rage these days to claim Natives were brutally oppressed and had their way of life destroyed, but their intelligence has remained unaffected? Is it possibly a eugenic effect where the only Indians who go to school are actually serious about life, instead of being wasted somewhere on a reserve? Or are these Indians just White people who identify as 1/64th Cherokee, like Elizabeth Warren?

[–]CarlDungCrypto-fascist and eugenicist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd say hispanics don't really have an identity of culture. Who do you look up if you are latino? If you disregard all European influences, like colonial Spain and Portugal, what are you left with?

Latinos have basically a culture of cartels and drug traffickers, and violent revolutions mixed with cronyism. They have no higher ideals or purpose in this world. Native indians on the other hand have their old ways, a system of belief, ancestry, and places of origin. They have nothing in their past they need to cut loose, unlike hispanics.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it’s the classic mixed race identity crisis. Most of them can’t really identify with Spain and most of them can’t identify as Aztec/Maya/etc. So what’s left, like you said, 200 years of failed states, revolution & cronyism. There’s no precedent for achieving something higher.

Maybe as time passes they’ll be able to develop something more positive.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

I think a lot of native Americans in North America evolved in cold climates and thus selected for higher intelligence

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Compare any Indian Reserve, https://i.imgur.com/pHpQjqM.jpg

to a Homeless camp in Japan. https://i.imgur.com/nyiSzqW.jpg

Even the poorest or most destitute Japanese still have a sense of cleanliness or perform manual jobs like recycling bottles, whereas Indian settlements are dirty, rundown and live off welfare.

If the Indians had a higher IQ, they're either not putting it to use, or there's barely any real life examples of it.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

    Russians and US southern "hillbillies" often live in run-down conditions too. Yet most of them are, or would've been, highly intelligent on a basic animal level of psychometrics you're talking about, given adequate time to adapt to the particular testing format. There are a lot of people in the world who are smart yet currently live in a "fuck it!" manner approaching squalor. Some of the attitudes are like how a person can go from collecting into "hoarding", and eventually they feel trapped. Digging out feels insurmountable. It's a mix of complacent and lazy and feeling powerless to change like re-arranging chairs on some Titanic: extrapolated to herd vs. individual dynamics. The world increasingly became a complicated mess of self-selecting and outside factors for group conformity and outside pressures - pressures of the immediate tribe/surroundings and going up the scale to world pressures.

    Oh come on. This is the exact same excuse Blacks say for their failures.

    "Just give us more time to close the gap! It's all slavery and redlining's fault why nothing has changed for the last 10 years."

    And the Russian or American hillbillies are considered the outlier of their race. The bell curve never said dumb whites don't exist, but your chances of running into them are far less than meeting professional White families who hold high income jobs and clean up after their neighborhoods.

    If Native Indians were just as well mannered, than why do all their settlements look worse than the Japanese homeless camps? The Indian crime rate is also much higher, so temperament is also a factor.

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

      I... still don't understand what your point is.

      To compare the Native Indian situation to poor Whites is clearly wrong. The Whites who live that way are in the minority, but their cities are still considered safer on average.

      There's no where in my country where I can name a single Reserve or Indian town that has living standards comparable to any upper class neighborhood. Why would that be the case, if not for IQ and any other genetic differences?

      The Native Indians also get a shit ton of free money from the government as well. It's a myth that we never helped these people or created that situation for them. Hell, they can even go to university for free because of their Indian status. If they were smart, they could graduate and come back to these slums and actually improve them. Except, they do the complete opposite.

      They vote for more government aid, which is just more welfare, and they blow it. The cycle repeats and repeats.

      With the picture of the Japanese camp, it doesn't take a genius to understand why they appear well mannered to us. They keep all their personal belongings in bags and organized, their clothes doesn't show signs of damage so they take care of them, and it's highly unlikely they're going to stab you if you walked past them. The guy leaning in the chair even looks like he is enjoying life, despite probably having no money.

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        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

        I... I'm still confused by your message.

        Once again, my original concern or statement was I'm perplexed by Native Indians scoring higher on average in school compared to Hispanics. I do not deny from a genetic point of view, that Native Indians are still gifted with large brains. But that alone doesn't explain the massive differences in nation building that no Amerindian civilization has ever caught up with European or Asian societies.

        Does this make my point more clear? And just like with the IQ arguments, I don't deny that environment can't also be ia factor. But even from the same Rushton sources, does he not admit that IQ is still 50% genes AND 50% environment?

        And even when poor Whites & Asians are thrown into these slum like conditions, we know for a fact that they still manage to create safe and clean neighborhoods. We also know they can rapidly recover from poverty. Perfect example of this? Look at Germany. They were destroyed by two world wars but today, they're still like the 3rd or 4th most powerful country.

        Meanwhile, Indian reserves are given millions in free cash and other incentives by the government, but what do the Indians do with it? Do they build cars, computers or skyscrapers with it? No. It all goes wasted every generation.

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          [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Yes and no. Would depend on which group. The Inuit for sure, but the Plains Indians were more migratory/nomadic, so probably more variable.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          Hmmm, that's even more bizarre. Inuits in my country are actually the poorest of all Indian tribes.

          https://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/nunavut-children-experience-the-highest-poverty-rate-in-canada-report/

          https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/inuit-go-hungry-more-than-any-other-indigenous-group-report-1.2588107

          Also look at where the Aztec, Incans and Mayan Civilizations were located? They were closer to the equator, instead of the north or south poles.

          [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Which environment do you think would require greater intelligence to survive in? The equator or the arctic?

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Under normal conditions, you would expect the arctic. But these people only lived in 1 story Igloos, hunted wild animals with wooden spears, and there's no evidence they did any farming or large scale irrigation. In fact, maybe that could have been their weakness. They don't eat vegetables, their diets are based on meat consumption only.

          https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-inuit-paradox

          And then consider their absolute remoteness from other civilizations. Warfare is a part of life, and has lead to humans seeking innovation to survive. If the Inuit ever came in contact with the Jaguar Warriors or the long range Bolas, I doubt they would have been able to beat them with their pointy sticks.

          Edit: It's also important to remember. The only other civilization that independently invented the wheel was the Aztecs. But they only put them on their toys, instead of making a cart.

          https://uncoveredhistory.com/mesoamerica/wheeled-toys/

          [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          https://philipperushton.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Brain-Size-as-an-Explanation-of-National-Differences-in-IQ-Longevity-and-Other-Life-History-Variables-2010-by-John-Philippe-Rushton.pdf

          I estimated the mid-points of the ranges given for their cranial capacity measures and found, in (cm3): East Asians (1425), Europeans (1375), Inuit-Eskimos (1440), South East Asians (1325), Native American Indians (1350), Pacific Islanders (1350), South Asians and North Africans (1325), sub-Saharan Africans (1275), Australian Aborigines (1225), and Kalahari Bushmen and Congo Pygmies (1200).

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Isn't it possible that the biggest parts of their brain may not actually be the areas that specialize in math or nation building?

          For example, I have seen studies that say Eskimos are very good at remembering things. Their visual memory is on record, better than Whites.

          https://journalhosting.ucalgary.ca/index.php/arctic/article/download/66174/50087/187190

          ABSTRACT. The hypothesis that the ecological and cultural characteristics of Eskimo society lead to village Eskimo children having greater ability in visual memory than urban Caucasian children has been studied. A test of visual memory was given to 501 urban Caucasian and 125 village Eskimo children. Village Eskimo children demonstrated significantly higher levels of visual memory. Visual memory was also found to increase significantly with age. A follow-up questionnaire study indicated that about 65 per cent of teachers in Eskimo villages noted the unusually high ability of Eskimo students in recalling visual detail or mentioned their high performance in tasks depending partly upon this ability.

          But their academic performance has been recorded, and they still have the highest dropout rates of any race.

          https://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~jar/AIE/Dropouts.html

          American Indian and Alaska Native students have a dropout rate twice the national average; the highest dropout rate of any United States ethnic or racial group. About three out of every ten Native students drop out of school before graduating from high school both on reservations and in cities. Academically capable Native students often drop out of school because their needs are not being met while others are pushed out because they protest in a variety of ways how they are treated in school.

          Or see this study

          https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED025225.pdf

          Of the original number of Alaskan natives entering the University of Alaska from rural and urban areas, 507 drop out at the end of their freshman year, and less than 27 are likely to receive a degree at the end of 4 .years. This high attrition rate is caused by poor elementary and secondary school preparation, and strong personal feelings of inadequacy that are intensified at a campus that is both integrated and oriented toward Western culture.

          And obviously Japanese or Chinese immigrants aren't failing school, so I would doubt why would Inuits somehow be better than them?

          In the CBC link I also posted, the average Inuit salary is considered less than $20,000 a year. Compare that to Canada's national, which is $54,630 a year.

          [–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Their average IQ is on par with African-Americans so probably not.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          yeah I'd guess since most natives don't go to school, the ones that do must really want to be there so they try hard.

          [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          re: Asians

          If you look at the distribution of SAT scores for Asians you can see that the test is actually too easy for them, i.e. MANY of them score perfectly. The test is designed for Whites where you can see the bell curve of scores but with Asians so many score perfectly that only see 1/2 the distribution. I am a racist, I think Asians are smarter than Whites and MUCH smarter than Blacks. Now give me my fucking country back or at least let me live with my own fucking people.