The wrong side won WW2.

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[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

Unfortunately, I am forced to conclude that you lack self-awareness and reading comprehension.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Thus - if you accuse the other person of a problem you might have, then - you don't have the problem. Brilliant.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

That's what you did, which is why I was forced to reach this unfortunate conclusion.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

Forced by what, I wonder. Not to drag on the discussion, though the reason for my response (above) is that - if you want to note that you arrived at an appropriate conclusion - then you should not have been 'forced' to do so. Instead, you note the reasons for your conclusion, and if appropriate, offer evidence. To say that you were forced to arrive at that conclusion is like saying that you've given yourself the authority to be the arbiter of truth, without the usual expectation to note the appropriate reasons for this automatic authority. The 'forced' bit is "low effort" (per rule #4 for the sub). Whereas you can of course claim that I "lack self-awareness and reading comprehension," it's an anti-debate tactic merely to insult someone in that manner without providing and argument and/or evidence. And for what it's worth - I've never seen an insult that someone lacks "self-awareness". It's like saying that I am being operated by something or someone else and thus unaware of my 'self'. Anyway - these are just random thoughts about your really strange response. Best of luck making your own decisions whilst not being forced to do so, and that - if you want to insult people, especually on DAR - avoid low effort and anti debate approaches.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Nothing about my response is strange, your thinking clearly lacks clarity and you seem obsessed with casting the people you speak to as MAGA cultists brainwashed by a neoreactionary version of Ben Shapiro or whatever. I am letting you know this for your benefit, on the off chance that you might be interested in becoming self-aware.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

Self-aware?

WTF

My points are quite simply that arguments criticizing democracy as a divisive system are wrong, especiallly in the context of the alternatives. One could argue that the GOP and alt right want to use their democratic freedoms to divide and influence the US. One could argue that that division will help the US (I've seen those kinds of arguments on /s/DAR). But the type of very limited democracy in the US has a number of checks and balances that - while not ideal, and prohibit a real democracy - are nonetheless much better than what we can see in authoritarian statecraft. My discussion is about statecraft and the abuses of it by the recent anti-democracy movement. It's insane that anyone who grew up in the US would agree with that anti-democracy propaganda. There's an indication on Saidit that there are many who believe this propaganda. This has absolutely nothing to do with calling people self-aware or not self-aware, and nothing to do with Ben Shapiro (I don't know much, if anything about him), and perhaps something to do with the MAGA propaganda, as this stuff is pushed by the same kinds of propagandists. Ask yourself what these anti-democracy people want, who funds their websites, how they're paid for this full-time work, and about the history of authoritarian leadership that is promoted by this propaganda. Is the anti-democracy propaganda divisive? Of course.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

This isn't the People's Republic of China, there is no such things as "anti-democracy propaganda" or "anti-democracy movement". Literally everything in Western politics is conditioned by liberal, progressive and democratic myths. You are delusional.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Delusional?

It's a serious problem if any adult is unaware of anti-democratic movements, and worse of those people unwittingly or are duped into supporting those movements and thus the GOP (Eg. DAR members vote for GOP candidates, or by not voting for them, help them to win elections). Search: anti-democracy movement

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policy-topics/democracy-governance/rise-western-anti-democracy-movements

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/behind-the-internets-dark-anti-democracy-movement/516243/

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/promise-of-power/social-origins-of-pro-and-antidemocratic-movements-18851919/647E99F68FBF56D733A9CDCAA674A31B

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

https://www.gzeromedia.com/gzero-world-clips/why-anti-democratic-movements-in-europe-and-the-us-are-similar

https://www.radicalrightanalysis.com/2021/07/01/how-the-anti-democracy-movement-is-weaponizing-conspiracy-theories/

https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2021/01/19/americas-march-toward-fascism

https://freedomhouse.org/report/nations-transit/2021/antidemocratic-turn

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/12/white-evangelicals-decline-spurs-an-anti-democratic-movement/

https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/press-and-media/statements/anti-democratic-actions-belarus

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Opposition-to-parliamentary-democracy

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-populist-challenge-to-liberal-democracy/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/26/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-anti-democracy-protests

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/552808-former-rnc-chair-michael-steele-no-doubt-gop-represents-one-of-the-worlds

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

This is why I said that you are not self-aware. Learn to read and think. This is what I wrote in my last post:

Literally everything in Western politics is conditioned by liberal, progressive and democratic myths.

In order to prove me wrong, you have decided to post links from a bunch of ridiculous hyper-liberal institutions, think tanks and newspapers. It seems that you are completely oblivious to the polemical and genuinely propagandistic character of your sources. Your weaving this together of a narrative of radical "anti-democratic movements" with mainstream politics is ample demonstration of your political illiteracy and full absorption into the spectacle of party politics.

Evidently, not only do you not know what democracy is, not only do you not know what an anti-democratic movement is, not only do you not know of any such movements, but you cannot even imagine what such a movement would look like. This is why you entertain such ridiculous fantasies about the GOP being a force of premodern reaction or whatever other nonsense you've arrived at. In a way, this is also impressive, because you frequent a forum where it is not very hard to find genuine anti-democrats.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

I see now - you definitely support these anti-democratic movements, and bring up all of these false arguments to do so, even to the extant that you'd say that

there is no such things as "anti-democracy propaganda" or "anti-democracy movement"

There is such things and they're in the process of fucking up the lives of the 99% . Live in China if you don't like democracy.