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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wait I thought he was totally controlled by the ChiComs?

I can't help but wonder if what we're seeing is a perfect repeat of Trump's bizarre belligerence towards Russia during his admin. It was driven by the fact that he thought he needed to be more aggressive against them so as to negate the accusations of him being stooge or a puppet.

Is Biden doing the same thing because moronic Republicans are backing him into a corner with their absurd accusations?

Either way it's more insanity. Whites going to war to protect one set of Han elite who lost a civil war from another set of Han Elite who won it in a place most Americans can't find on a map.

Democracy Now!

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wait I thought he was totally controlled by the ChiComs?

Everytime some conservatard says that I just respond with an "I wish" comment.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

There's a lot of seesawing among the elites in regard to China. There seem to be two factions. One is what can be described as the American military-intelligence apparatus, i.e the state department, the CIA, the pentagon and NGOs, think tanks, and media orgs strongly affiliated with them, for example, the RAND Corporation, Fox News, and the AEI. They largely form what most people refer to as the ''Deep State''.

These people tend to be anti-china and favor a conflict with China. They don't like the idea of America no longer being the sole hegemon. Due to America's current superpower status, they at the moment get to flex muscle and exercise undue influence across the world. If the US was supplanted, that privilege would be lost.

The other faction is more plutocratic in nature. It's the tech companies, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, high finance led by BlackRock, and lastly, Hollywood. This faction is extremely anti-white, they have a soft spot for marxism and are more represented in the private sector. They have a more technocratic view of the world and are at the forefront of the globalist movement.

This faction is less anti-China. They do not seem to desire war or de-coupling with China. They profit immensely and gain to profit greatly(as in the case of finance and BlackRock), in China. Hollywood also frequently appeases the CCP to retain access to the Chinese market.

They also favor a more gradualist approach to China. Slowly poison their culture, infiltrate the government, fill it with ''western-educated''(read CIA-groomed) technocrats and seize control of their financial sector. This also entails forming alliances with China's neighbors and enemies to encircle her. and pressure her to acquiesce to US corporate infiltration. The recent AUKUS alliance, the pacific quad between the US, Japan, India, and Australia demonstrates this strategy. It's eerily similar to the British strategy of encirclement against Germany before WW1. Allying France and Russia for that purpose.

Xi Jinping seems to have taken a hard stance against this measure with his crackdown on sissy boys, audit of financial institutions, and reduction of freedom for capitalists. Whether this method can be successful anymore is debatable.

China for its part has strung the plutocrats along. They offer limited access to Blackrock and JP Morgan. They allow limited access to Hollywood and the NBA. Whether it's a sign of them submitting to the liberal faction of the US elite or simply using this to buy time, I do not know. I lean towards and hope for the latter.

The liberal faction is much more powerful than the conservative neocon faction and it pays well to keep them at hand.

The Anglo-Jewish elite of the Anglosphere can't seem to decide on a definite course of action. Historically, a dominant power at risk of losing its status to a rising star, always instigated war. The most famous example of this is the world wars. Britain instigated both of them as she could not tolerate the idea of a German-dominated Europe. Thus, she pursued a policy of encirclement against Germany and ultimately went to war.

However, in Britain, both the governmental elite aka the deep state and the plutocrats were in agreement over the need for war with Germany.

In the US the elites are split. No doubt, the existence of nuclear weapons and other WMDs like neurotoxins and bioweapons weigh heavily into this hesitancy.

However, recently there is reason to believe that they're leaning more towards military action. The US directly stationed troops in Taiwan in an unprecedented display of hostility. The US also has agreed to sell 60 billion dollars worth of nuclear submarines to Australia. Now, the declaration that it defend Taiwan against Chinese aggression. It's haunting similar to the British guarantee to Belgium in 1914. The troops in Taiwan are especially ominous. China really wants Taiwan back not due to civil war jargon but because of its strategic location.

If the US were to establish a firm military presence in Taiwan, it could use the island as an airbase to carry out strategic bombing of China and interdiction of its merchant traffic. This essentially places a ticking time bomb on Xi's lap. If he sits by, there is a risk that the US could steadily increase its presence and fortify the island to a point where it becomes nigh impossible for China to invade. This leaves it with the grim prospect of an American airbase just 150 km of its coast, capable of bombing its Southern industrial base to smithereens or destroying its ocean-going trade.

Militarily it's an open question of who will win. Against the US alone, China might win. The US has 11 carrier groups but at least four of those are in maintenance at any given moment. That leaves 7. However, it can't deploy all carriers as it must keep some back to defend the US home waters and the Persian Gulf.

At most, it could deploy 5 carriers to Taiwan. Each carrier can deploy 42 F/A-18 super hornets. The combat range of the super hornets is 700 km, so the carriers would be forced to stay within 300-400 km of Taiwan in order to provide combat patrols over the island. This would place them in range of Chinese air-launched and coastal ship-launched anti-ship missiles.

And then there's China's huge fleet of 600 ships, which are filled with short-range warships like missile boats, diesel attack submarines, and corvettes. These vessels are ideal for combat within Chinese waters.

So in any scenario, the US would be able to keep at most 210 4++ gen or above combat aircraft around Taiwan. This is a stretch considering half the US navy air fleet can't fly due to maintenance issues but let's assume they fix those problems somehow. That would leave them facing over 900 Chinese fighters of 4+ or 4++ gen caliber. Taiwan is only about 200 km from China, so the Chinese fighters would enjoy a comfortable sortie rate over Taiwan.

US aircraft would not only be heavily outnumbered but would also suffer from poor sortie rates. Carriers have far lower sortie rates than ground-based aircraft. So, China is likely to achieve air superiority over Taiwan.

Its long-range artillery and hordes of cruise missiles and ballistic missiles will likely destroy or suppress the Taiwanese air force on the ground. The US can't ship in sufficient ground troops to Taiwan either in quick notice, due to the danger of Chinese submarines. China has nearly 66 submarines.

So, in the first 3-4 months, China will have a window of opportunity to conquer Taiwan. They would be able to establish air superiority and assault the island with airborne and marine forces. Whether the Taiwanese have the will or strength to resist such an onslaught is debatable.

The addition of the Japanese, Australian, and British fleets would further add to the already existing US superiority in surface vessels but would do little to alleviate the air cover shortage. Only the British have aircraft carriers and the two carriers don't yet have their full complement of aircraft.

India can't assist the allies much either. Its border with China consists of the impregnable Himalayas mountain range and no offensive can pass through it.

And all this ignores a huge elephant in the room: the collapse of the US merchant marine. The US might not even be able to support a large force far away in surge conditions due to the depletion of its merchant navy due to high taxes, regulations, and other expenses.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2021/10/08/dwindling-us-merchant-fleet-is-a-crisis-waiting-to-happen/?sh=551d285b2a8d

But regardless, the US at the moment still has an advantage in military tech and has the best fighter aircraft in the world in the form of the F-35 and the F-22. The US also has a nuclear advantage over China.

It's all very murky now but only time will tell what the conflict between the eagle and the dragon will bring about.

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    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    It’s also conceivable that Putin will take a gamble on Ukraine and move in if China chooses to act.

    I think Putin is wiser than that. That risks escalating into a world war. In a general state of war, it could drag the EU into a war with Russia as well. Putin is a very cautious man and I think he'll wait out a sino-American war. Both sides will be weaker at the end of it, regardless of the victor. If it leads to a nuclear exchange, they'd be even weaker, giving Russia a much stronger hand in the post-war world.

    He'd prefer that China win and throughout the war, he'll sell gas, oil, raw materials, food and arms to China. The US would not like it, but wouldn't do anything about it as an attack on Russian infrastructure is tantamount to a declaration of war on Russia and Russia arguably has the strongest nuclear arsenal in the world.

    Russia would get fat from all the money they'd make from oil, gas, arms, and grain sale, and it would be more powerful on the world stage at the conclusion of the war. The same goes for the EU. Their manufacturing would make a killing in absence of China on the world stage.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    America going to war with China and losing sounds like a great scenario for us.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Yes, it would be. The weaker America is, the better.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Not just that. Russia being stronger is also good.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes. If Russia conquered all of Europe tomorrow and put in behind an iron curtain, they'd be infinitely better off.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    giving Russia a much stronger hand in the post-war world.

    Russia's economy is really small. GDP of the US is 20936.60 billion vs Russia's 1483.50 billion. It's like a US state with nukes bargaining on the world stage. They'd have a stronger hand in that scenario, sure, but would it really matter when there's only so much they could even afford to do?

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This is misleading. By PPP calculations, Russia has a GDP of 4.3 trillion dollars. This is the measure for Russia as its essentially an autarky and produces everything it needs domestically.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

    Plus, Russia has other means that already make it a significant global power:

    *The world's second largest arms industry

    *The world's largest nuclear arsenal

    *The worlds largest gas exporter

    *The world's 2nd largest oil exporter

    *The world's 3rd strongest military

    *The world's largest wheat exporter

    *One of the world's top three food exporters.

    *The most resource rich country in the world with aluminium, zinc, titanium and chromium reserves that form a vital part of the world market.

    Its far more influential on the world stage than a country like Britain or France. Russia also has the ability to project power independently, as seen from its intervention in Syria, Ukraine and Libya.

    A weakened US and China would give it a greater hand. It could position itself as the military protector of Eastern Europe.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It’s also conceivable that Putin will take a gamble on Ukraine and move in if China chooses to act.

    I think from what I've read he prefers soft power methods in Ukraine. He's spoken recently of the concept of united Russian people which includes Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians. Invading Ukraine proper outside of the Eastern provinces would be all risk and little reward for Russia and Putin, whatever you want to say about him, is a pragmatic leader.

    [–]TheJamesRocket[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There's a lot of seesawing among the elites in regard to China. There seem to be two factions. One is what can be described as the American military-intelligence apparatus, i.e the state department, the CIA, the pentagon and NGOs, think tanks, and media orgs strongly affiliated with them, for example, the RAND Corporation, Fox News, and the AEI. They largely form what most people refer to as the ''Deep State''.

    The other faction is more plutocratic in nature. It's the tech companies, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, high finance led by BlackRock, and lastly, Hollywood. This faction is extremely anti-white, they have a soft spot for marxism and are more represented in the private sector. They have a more technocratic view of the world and are at the forefront of the globalist movement.

    Thats a good summary of the two main factions running the show. If the Globalists could be divided into two camps, it would be the Deep State and the World Economic Forum.

    These two factions have been fighting over strategy for the past couple of years. The WEF wanted to stick with its original plan which was to complete the de-industrialisation of the West, and then to transfer their flag to China and continue with business as usual. But since China was not co-operating with their plans, the WEF tried to use soft power to get them to submit fully. The Deep State wanted to take a hostile stance against China, but they were prevented from doing so by the WEF. But now things have changed.

    The Davos crowd at WEF seem to have finally understood that China is not going to work with them, no matter how much pressure they try to exert. Now, it looks like they are going to let the Deep State have their war. This might also explain why they have suddenly ceased with their provocations against Russia. The Globalists know that the United States can't win a war against both of them. They want to encircle China and subject it to a type of blockade. They are hoping that if it does come to war, that Russia will stay out of it.

    China for its part has strung the plutocrats along. They offer limited access to Blackrock and JP Morgan. They allow limited access to Hollywood and the NBA. Whether it's a sign of them submitting to the liberal faction of the US elite or simply using this to buy time, I do not know. I lean towards and hope for the latter.

    The Chinese are stringing them along. They have no intention of submitting to the Globalists and their agenda. They know that the West is undergoing rapid decay due to the anti-industrialisation policys of its Elites, so they are just placating them with empty promises and stalling for time. In a few years, the balance of power will shift even more in the favor of China. The Globalists might finally be catching on to their game, though, which is why they are taking a more hostile stance. The sale of submarines to Australia is definitely an important indication of where things are headed.

    In the US the elites are split. No doubt, the existence of nuclear weapons and other WMDs like neurotoxins and bioweapons weigh heavily into this hesitancy.

    However, recently there is reason to believe that they're leaning more towards military action. The US directly stationed troops in Taiwan in an unprecedented display of hostility. The US also has agreed to sell 60 billion dollars worth of nuclear submarines to Australia. Now, the declaration that it defend Taiwan against Chinese aggression.

    Theres an excellent article by Tom Luongo about the geopolitical situation that is unfolding today. Things are getting very complicated very quickly. There are many players involved in this game (America, Europe, China, Russia, etc), and when one of them changes their plans, it completely changes the playing fields and forces the others to improvise. Things are not proceeding in the direction that the World Economic Forum desires. They wanted to subvert China and take it over to use as a headquarters, but now, they may be forced to try to strangle it into submission or even go to war.

    u/send_nasty_stuff

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    What about Soros' attacks against China? He's a major player among the plutocrats.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Yeah, him too. Peter Thiel hates China too for some reason.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Peter Thiel hates China too for some reason.

    He's a cringe minarchist. Of course he hates them.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I think they probably put a wrench in some business venture of his or wouldn't let him plunder China. That's why he funds neocons like Steve Bannon.

    There's also a rumor that Thiel once met with Greg Johnson. The gay race has some unique privileges I guess.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    rumor

    So bullshit then.

    [–]TheJamesRocket[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    This is a major development. The United States has previously maintained an ambigous position in regards to Taiwan. Now, there is a real possibility that a regional war could break out between the U.S. and China.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    If it does, it's WW3. Everybody wants Taiwan, either free or for their own.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Why is Taiwan so valuable? How does owning this island benefit whoever takes it?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    They produce 80% of the world's integrated circuit silicon chips.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Would it be easier for china or another nation to start producing their own chips, rather than invading Taiwan? In a hypothetical scenario china invadesTaiwan, how long would chip.production be offline?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    A lot less long than it would take for China to develop their own 3 nM EUV lithography process. There's more to making chips than a few engineers and a plant.

    FABs as they are called are very high level cleanrooms. And any such cleanroom is already not easy to achieve anywhere anytime. But on top of that, this cleanroom has heavy machinery operating in it, while the requirement for that level of purity is constant and continuous. And that's just the building.

    Then you start talking about the actual lithography process and that requires physicists and engineers who have whole careers behind them in this business, because every single process node ( the size of transistors within these chips ) is more complex and more prone to errors than the previous. So essentially this means that the Taiwanese expertise is pretty much impossible to replace.

    And the silicon wafers. At the current and future process nodes, these wafers have to be perfect almost to the atomic level. Just the expertise for making these would be problematic to develop.

    Certainly Israelis aren't going to do it, since they've had untold trouble with even a 5-year-old 10 nM process, which they aren't even yet able to produce while it is a completely obsolete process now.

    So the expertise at the newer process nodes is all Taiwanese. Re-engineering it would take at least 10 years with tons and tons of industrial espionage. I don't think the Chinese have it in them to achieve this at all, or they would have done it already.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Couldnt they just get Camtek and ASML to set it up for them?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Camtek don't have the knowledge but I guess ASML might "set it up" for them. Still, there's much much more to making chips than operating machines. China accounts for maybe 10% of the world's production of semiconductor chips, and I don't know what their process nodes or expertise is, but clearly they could never compete with TSMC.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It's a vital forward operating base. If the US built a solid military presence on the island, from there they could carry out a devastating strategic bombing of South China. An analog would be the US airforce using British airbases in 1943-45 to bomb Germany. If Britain had exited the war, then the US could never have carried out the bombing of Germany.

    Plus, since it stands at the entry to the South China sea, American aircraft based on the island could interdict and destroy the Chinese merchant navy. It's extremely vital that China prevent the US from possessing the island from a military standpoint.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Makes sense, so China could just draw a line in the sand about US placing military assets there instead of invading?

    [–]socksuckersocks_sucks 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    He's bluffing. If China invaded tomorrow he'd make some statements denouncing it... and that would be all.

    For starters, if a genuine war declaration was made America would be immediately plagued by terrorist attacks from the huge 'Chinese-American' population. The civil unrest would be immense, with plenty in the Chinese community and the Far-Left (whether Antifa or the extreme 'progressive' DSA types, whose ranks would fill with young ethnic Chinese) immediately taking to the streets in violent protest.

    It would make 2020's protests look like child's play.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    Taiwan is responsible for 60% of the world's semiconductor manufacturing. I don't see how China can pull off an invasion without angering every nation on the planet. Especially as we're also in the middle of a global chip shortage.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/16/2-charts-show-how-much-the-world-depends-on-taiwan-for-semiconductors.html

    https://www.consumerreports.org/buying-a-car/global-chip-shortage-makes-it-tough-to-buy-certain-cars-a8160576456/

    For starters, if a genuine war declaration was made America would be immediately plagued by terrorist attacks from the huge 'Chinese-American' population.

    Lol, what are they going to do? Japan was a much bigger threat in the past, yet the USA was able to round up all Japanese citizens and put them in camps. Chinese Americans are smart, but they were never fighters.

    and the Far-Left (whether Antifa or the extreme 'progressive' DSA types, whose ranks would fill with young ethnic Chinese) immediately taking to the streets in violent protest.

    For every Antifa thug, there will be new Kyle Rittenhouses to put them down.

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

      China will forever suck at war. Their best feat was just zerg rushing U.S troops during the Korean War. But they never showed off any impressive technology or military prowess.

      If anything, the only reason the U.S would lose a war today is because the country has turned into a multicultural nightmare that prevents any national unity. But if it was 80% White or more, China would be blown out of the water.

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        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        I take quality over quantity. Get back to me when a billion Chinese can produce a Beethoven. Or Isaac Newton.

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          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          They don't, but China has yet to impress me on any emotional or technological level. They can take Taiwan, the same way they took on the Soviet Union or India. By putting up or shutting up.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The problem is that they NEED Taiwan. It's a matter of survival, if not for the Chinese people, then at least for the Chinese regime. Xi Jinping will not go down quietly.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The yellow race is good at industrial production, not invention. And invention is probably the least useful of the two in the context of a hot war.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          China will forever suck at war.

          You speak so much fucking rubbish.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          That's funny. Why are we speaking English right now if China was so powerful?

          [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          China will forever suck at war.

          In the 50s, the consensus was that the Jews were not a martial race while the Arabs were. The effeminate Jew could never stand up to the martial, masculine Arabs. We found out whether that was the case in the 60s and 70s.

          Just because a nation historically sucked at war, doesn't mean it will always suck at war. The Bulgarians were defeated by the Byzantines and the Turks in the medieval age. They were also a ''loser nation'' by your definition. But then it got independence in 1878 and went on to be known as the Prussia of the Balkans. Repeatedly defeating numerically superior Ottoman and Balkan forces.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          In the 50s, the consensus was that the Jews were not a martial race while the Arabs were. The effeminate Jew could never stand up to the martial, masculine Arabs. We found out whether that was the case in the 60s and 70s.

          Bad example. Israel literally won a war of independence in 1948, and in 1956, they invaded Egypt (with the help of Britain & France).

          And if the bible stuff is true, Jews and Arabs have been at war with each other for centuries. It wasn't until the Roman Empire had reached the levant and put them both down that things went quiet.

          China's only strength is that they have sheer numbers of soldiers to throw at the enemy. But they never had the capabilities to move them to separate continents.

          During WW2, America had to fight a war on both its shores, as well as landing in Africa and fighting through France to reach Germany. China had never left Asia, and yet their small island neighbor called Japan had successfully beat other European empires and was pushing hard into the Chinese mainland.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          The USA sucks a lot more at war. Their only "accomplishment" in this regard was nuking Japan.

          [–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          What about the Battle of Midway?

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Battle of Midway

          Sure.

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            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            And declaring war? They just airstrike, bomb, invade. And then "Oh this isn't war, it's just a military exercise."