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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don't care. I'm sure pampering mentally ill people makes them feel good. I want these degenerates removed from society.

[–]goonmessiahI like toast 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Are these studies like the studies that said sugar and cigarettes were healthy?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Don't eat eggs guys, they have cholesterol in and that raises your own cholesterol which makes you unhealthy :/

Also don't eat dietary fat they make you fat, instead eat carbs and sugar :)

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Although, isn't transgenderism not a choice unlike consuming sugar and cigarettes?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Alcoholics and people addicted to nicotine also claim they have an disease called addiction which renders them basically unable to resist their vice. In truth everything is a choice including accepting the ludicrous idea that somehow just because you have a persistent feeling that you're a girl trapped inside a boys body then somehow that means you should pop an estrogen pill and get a frock.

You posted data about the physcial differences between trans brains and normal people's brains. You can find the same differences in the brains of alcoholics as well. This does not mean they have no choice in the matter or that it's impossible to stop drinking or that the only solution to dysphoria is radical transformative intervention so trans people can pretend to be something they're not.

[–]Girondin 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

see this: https://raceandconflicts.home.blog/2021/03/30/vaush-response-2/ (see header "Sex Reassignment Surgery").

The first study (Cornell) you link is not a meta-analysis

Meta-analysis give effect sizes like Cohen’s d, Pearson’s r or something else, but the Cornell article did not do this. Instead, it’s just a systematic review of the literature, not a meta-analysis. That’s just a nitpick, but these studies still suffer from the same issues as the actual meta-analysis up above.

Of the 52 studies finding a positive effect, one of them have to be excluded due its nature. Padula, Heru, and Campbell (2015) was simply an attempt to model the mathematical cost/ benefit of gender transitioning, not anything that actually provides original research on the effects of SRS. This leaves us with 51 studies, which is still a lot, but the rest still have problems. 5 of the largest studies cited by Cornell suffer from problems. Bailey, Ellis, and Mcneil (2014) was a narrative analysis that utilized an online survey and that was promoted by LGBT groups and support organizations. The method of getting there sample was not random, and is guilty of non-response bias. Due to the nature of their self-selected survey, it offers nothing to make a generalized claim since it is not a random sample. St. Amand et al. (2011) got their sample from “online groups and discussion forums that were dedicated to FTM [female-to-male] members…” Again, not a random sample, suffers from non-response bias, and thus can not be used to make a generalized claim. Ironically enough, Vaush criticized a study for using a internet survey and for going on sites that were biased for their sample, and thus would lead to skewed results.

The second study you link ("Hormonal therapy and sex reassignment: a systematic review and meta-analysis of quality of life and psychosocial outcomes" Murad et al. (2010)) has flaws due how bad the underlying studies are

Murad et al. (2010) looked at 28 studies with a sample size of 1833 participants and found that SRS had a positive effect. Even without knowing how many studies were looked at and the sample size, Vaush’s summary of it lets readers know that SRS does work — but he leaves out how badly done these studies were.

None of the studies were RCT and only 3 of them had a control group, but one of those 3 studies had a control group in which the control group did not fit the criteria for those with Gender Identity Disorder. The exposure to hormone therapy in some of the studies looked at were self-reported, and “the details of treatments were in general not reported.” 23 of the studies reported SRS as a whole (hormone therapy + SRS), so it was hard to separate the effects of hormones and SRS. 21 of the studies assessed outcomes via a structured interview or clinical exam, 7 studies used a questionnaire, and 1 used an internet survey.

Looking at Table 1 of the study shows that a large portion of these studies had high dropout percentages. Many of these studies had small sample sizes, and the authors do not tell us the type of sampling used, so it’s hard to know if the samples were representative or biased. Regardless, the authors note that “In most of the included studies, at least two thirds of individuals with GID reported improvement in some aspects of their quality of life such as more stable relationships, better adjustment, satisfaction with sex reassignment, and overall happiness and contentness.” Furthermore, even the authors admit these studies were poorly done:

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for your interest and reply.

I was able to find a document that rebutts the one in OP directly:

https://raceandconflicts.home.blog/2021/03/30/vaush-response-2/

The Trans section is basically at the bottom of the document.

I didn't want to even bring him up to give him the fanfare, but it is in fact the D-bag Youtuber known as V*ush in the OP.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

But apparently, there's considerable research that supposedly demonstrates that trans people are better off after transitioning. This seems to fly in the face of the obvious to me. Is anyone familiar with this research and problems with the methodology?

Transgender people are only 0.24% of the population, but make up 300% of the national headlines.

The issue was never about wanting to wear a wig or play with dolls. It's the fact that they never shut up about it while demanding society bend towards towards their every will.

Like look at pronouns? I think in my country, they want to make it a crime for misgendering someone. But good luck telling he from she who likes to identify as neither...

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's the fact that they never shut up about it while demanding society bend towards towards their every will.

I feel like this is how all these "social issues" started. Most people didn't used to care about gays or trans or blacks or whatever, but when your political opponents adopt something and go crazy, start shoving things down your throat and telling you you must like it, and using it as an excuse to take away your rights, it's understandable why there's a lot of pushback and people begin to resent those things.

Of course, maybe that was the plan all along.

[–]IkeConn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I am sure that if you paid somebody enough money they could determine if shit stinks or you could just take a whiff yourself and find out for free.

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not sure if I would call playing along with the delusions of someone with a mental disorder as successful treating them.

Just imagine if it was a schizophrenic hearing voices and doctors told them that yes those voices are real and valid.

Or if someone said they were a dog and the doctors taught them to sit and fetch like a good boy should.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it makes sense that if they do it before puberty they will have a better mental outlook because then they have a better chance of passing, however we can't allow that because you need to be 18 in order to understand what you are doing and they might be getting it forced on them by an insane parent. So you might as well ban it for all ages since it won't work after 18.

[–]indeegenes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

More system bullshit, system research can not be trusted since it's all politically and socially motivated.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How so?

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because academics can (& often do) lose their careers if they give a 'wrong' answer, that's all it comes down to really. Traditionalists & Fascists dominated many academic fields in the first half of the 20th century before they were deplatformed & the universities became solely the domain of Liberals and Marxists.

Due to this, either fear or bias, today's academic tends to treat State-backed theories uncritically while being hyper-critical of any opposing theories or evidence, leading constantly to skewed conclusions, which then more biased studies are built on top of & so on...

I definitely disagree with indeegenes that all research is BS, there's a lot of intelligent people out there doing good work especially when the topic is a-political, but there's also so many lies that it's hard to have much faith in these institutions any more. Nowadays I feel safer de-facto disbelieving anything published in mainstream media until I've checked it for myself.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Correct. Although I have seen some accounts that allege primary sources never come to RW conclusions, or that these theories are justifiably censored for truily being incorrect - such as a few BreadPanes comics for instance.

[–]DisgustResponse 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who cares, destroying the entire conception of manhood and womanhood to appease the delusions of a few creeps isn't worth it.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Treatment means there's an illness to treat. There's nothing normal or good about having this condition, and I think anyone who acts like it's something to be celebrated is a snowflake or pervert.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, maybe. So what?

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Now about these kinds of studies, I would like to point out something. The left promotes these studies because they are peer reviewed compared to ours - in general, why is peer review not beneficial to studies? I would also like to point out how some of these may have small sample studies, but these people say that's all they can do as they don't have appropriate homosexual/transgender sample sizes at their disposal.

In all I would like more discussion concerning these studies and facts, I feel like we are weak with research compared to the LGBT community which is highly dedicated in all. By the way it's not about winning over somebody in a debate, it's knowing that you yourself have an answer to every rebuttal the opposition puts out and are confident in what you believe.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting. My thing is, the fact that academia is in the left's corner gives them a huge advantage in debates. Our arguments ring true to reasonable people, but we can't get completely swept when it comes to research. If we can simply have enough research on our side that the results are ambiguous, our clearly correct arguments will win the day.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Correct. Now what can we do about not having an academic side?

[–]shawn1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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