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[–]PrawoJazdy 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The first time I realized you Indians were actually in a similar boat was when I realized that an Indian paper that had the name 'Hindu' in it ('Hindu Times' or something similar) actually pushed blatant Leftism, multiculturalism, pro-Islam, anti-casteism, etc. I figured out quickly that despite the name sounding as though it might be conservative, it was actually hijacked by the Indian Left, and that this Indian Left, or at least this part of it, was not so different from the baizuo/White Left.

Around that time I also noticed that the BJP/INC were practically doing the usual ticking off of boxes by making sure that women, dalits (K.R. Narayanan), Sikhs (Manmohan Singh) and Muslims all held the Presidency and Prime Ministership. Another red flag, and no different to how Americans tick off boxes. Vote for Obama because... well, he's black; for Hillary and Kamala because... well, they're female, etc.

I feel like Modi is a reaction to some of this 'diversity', but he's only softly nationalist if he could even be called nationalist at all. He's practically in the same position as Trump—elected to solve problems he can't actually solve, and which actually worsen during his time in office. I like Shiv Sena from what I've heard of them; BJP is too similar to the pseudo-Right like the US Republicans and the various 'Tory' parties. He seems more like an Indian Shinzo Abe or GW Bush.

More recently, I've noticed Indians, Filipinos, etc. commenting about Left-wing control of the education system in their respective countries. It's definitely a thing in the Philippines; for example, the country's top university is also a stronghold of anti-Duterte 'dilawans' or 'yellowtards' who support that country's equivalent of the West's Left-liberal political classes.

So I think that you're seeing the Indian situation correctly. Either way, if we cannot solve the problem in our own countries, pondering about how to solve it in somewhere as unrelated to us as India is off the table. I don't think India has too much to complain about at present because the particular set of problems we oppose here tend to afflict 'late-modern', 'post-modern' peoples the most. India has been insulated by the 'modern' set of problems like poverty and has yet to replace such 'modern' problems with this new set of problems. I strongly suspect that if India became totally 'late-modern' it would see a massive ramping up of these problems (India switches to being underpopulated with the birth rate going well below replacement level similar to the Asian Tigers, social atomization, etc.)

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't think India has too much to complain about because the particular set of problems we oppose here tend to afflict 'late-modern', 'post-modern' peoples the most.

I also want to add that Indians themselves are also not doing their part when their smartest and most educated continue to flee their country and move to Western White ones instead.

For example, in Canada alone Indians are 1/4th of all new immigrants and they're on pace to be the demographic majority of our most dominant cities (i.e Toronto, Mississauga, Calgary, Vancouver etc).

If all these Indian Canadians returned to their home country, surely they could influence their own politics? At the very least, they would have millions of dollars to brute force their way into government, or take control of one of the many states in India.

[–]Agni777[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The choice that Indian kids have is either struggle entire life with difficult job market, aggressive reservations in school for a low quality of life. Or come to west where people better respect your efforts and talents.

And no, the public that comes here is typically urban and educated. Both those checks mean that the people coming here are often hood winked to supporting the left back home. It takes attention and memory to see their hypocrisy.

Mild digression, apart from America which has a lottery, most other western countries have systems of merit for immigration. Trump tried to change the Lottery system but was predictably blocked by democrats who want illegal immigration to be treated the same or better than legal immigration. Since Trump efforts, Canada is seen as a good option for less legal headaches in immigration.

Where you guys are right now, feels like the 70s-80s in India. Things that could have been addressed easily at that time if a party stood up for it. But it has only gotten worse, incentivizing better people to leave. So please don’t give up. I had a choice of coming here, if the left ruins this place, I don’t think your kids have anywhere to go next.

The Hindu, like NDTV is run by communists. Don’t be surprised to see absurd connections between politicians and media company owners.

I agree we should solve our own problems in our own backyards. But What I feel is that the left learns quickly from its international counterparts. The right does not learn or even interact internationally.

Like a lot of intellectuals in the right here could not even bother to read beyond pseudo liberal Indian media. And likewise I don’t know any Indian intellectual that could even name dissident intellectuals here.

Issues are more congruent than what I thought it would be and if I have learnt know the congruence, it would have been easier to see through absurdities better.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The choice that Indian kids have is either struggle entire life with difficult job market, aggressive reservations in school for a low quality of life. Or come to west where people better respect your efforts and talents.

What is the long term plan for this though? Especially when all this "respect" is being built off the backs of Native Whites who don't exist in unlimited supply.

Keep in mind, it was colonies like India or Jamaica who revolted against their British masters and made it clear they saw White rule as being oppression or made their lives miserable. Unless these same nations are asking to be ruled by White people again, it's impossible to justify mass migration from their own countries into the West, just because they messed up their own independence.

[–]Agni777[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don’t have a good plan as such. People usually tend to want to go back after they hit 50s.

The Jamaican, Ugandan, or other Indo Caribbean experiencs is actually good example to see what happens to a brown minority in a black majority. I want people to be more educated about these things.

[–]Agni777[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’ll add that I do think white (at the time it as paraded as enlighten christian not racial) rule was oppressive and ignorant. But what we have now if a bunch of brown people who at heart are as alien to their culture as the whites who came there earlier.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Countries won't improve if people don't stay and improve them. That's it. Either you care about your country or you don't.

Many young middle class Indians are spoilt brats. They are brought up like little princes and princesses and when they go out into the real world and realise it doesn't revolve around them it's a big shock. Even when they go to the West for a better life they are often horrified the ordinary people just treat them like everyone else and don't bow and scrape like servants back home which then drives them into wokeness so they can moan about how evil poor white people are.

The right in India needs to start by talking about responsibility, individualism and culture. I'm not sure they could learn much from the western right because the cultural problems they have are so different. You see in the West young men lining up to listen to men like Jordan Peterson (not right but conservative) because they are desperate for order and father figures while in India it's really the opposite problem, kids argue with their many real and present father figures and aren't allowed to make their own way.

Possibly you could associate communists with the corrupt old men in power and thereby all the patriarchs who get in the way of angry young men and create a movement against them that way.

[–]Agni777[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are right that people should stay and try to fix countries they are a part of. But maybe some are just broken beyond repair by an average person

I’ll suggest there is a time to fight and a time where it’s not feasible to fight. In India, the average person could fight about 35 years ago. Now it’s virtually impossible.

As a reference Imagine if democrats win for all elections for 30 years and are hand in glove with the second largest party which is the communists in the USA. Then I suspect even many patriotic, smart brave and talented people here will start looking for opportunities abroad, if they exist. Just as the South Africans are having to do currently.

Most Indian kids that come here are middle class whose family is aspirational through perspiration. I can see why you might feel they are prince/princess (middle class in India is used to having a lot of household help like maids...) but I don’t think they are privileged as such. The ones that are privileged often go back to India soon after being here for college.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I agree with your post and appreciate your perspective. It's very interesting to me to hear from other people around the world who are able to rise above the imposed dialectic and see what's going on in the world. In order to counter the strategies of these satanic central bankers all nations and all nationalists must work together to oppose those who would destroy the beauty of racial sovereignty in the name of new global government.

Now in India, the academics that would stand up against this were all removed back in the 70s-80s. The result is that most of this curent Indian academic generation is openly communist or at best ultra-liberal.

It really is fascination how they always go for the academic institutions first.

Since most of this sub is sympathetic to Christianity

I think I can speak for the pro christian dissidents when I say we are not blinded by the church when it comes to seeing how pozzed and anti white modern Christian institutions have become. There was a Bishop recently making the rounds saying Jesus would have got vaccinated. It hurts us deeply that the church is being used to divide and conquer for Jew globalists but it's just another aspect of clown world that we have to deal with.

The same church groups that promote caste activism

So what exactly is 'caste activism'? Is that liberal Indians attempting to move low caste Indians into high caste areas? Wouldn't most 'liberal/progressive' Indian groups be of the high caste themselves? How strong is the old caste social and physical boundary lines in India?

Also a bit unrelated. There was a weird 'school on school' machete attack years ago. What was that about? Do those still happen? Was that related to left right politics or Indian liberal, Indian conservative politics?

Last question for the moment. Is there an alt right or dissident group in India? Are they also a high caste? Are you yourself Brahman, Dravidian, Punjabi? (I'm not totally familiar with all the groups in India so please excuse my ignorance). I'm also wondering if you're familiar with a reddit and saidit user named 'fuck_snitches' he use to lurk our board on Reddit. He was a good contributor and we didn't mind his posts. He just seemed to not be very proud of his Indian background. Hopefully that's not the case with you. We don't mind posters from other racial and ethnic groups here as long as they're open about who they are and in general support national identities for their people (in their own lands).

[–]Agni777[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

My family is a group called Jatts. Some are Sikhs and most others are Hindu. No issues between them. I say I’m Hindu but I visit more Sikh places than Hindu ones. A lot of poor relatives are converting to Christianity to avail benefits that the church offers.

It’s not clear to me either how castes were defined. The Jatts were historically agriculturists, some say from Central Asia but I doubt that. Somehow, someplace britishers decided they were a martial race. This makes Jatts large part of the army which is the only pension paying job of the time. A lot of convenient mythology followed this classification. I suspect similar social engineering was done to create new caste groups by British for the case of Dravidian and many so called Brahmins groups as well.

So I have distant family members who fought in both World War I and World War II on the side of the British. One family member also fought for Japanese after losing to them as part of the British Indian navy.

I’m an Indian, and a nationalist. I do think Abrahamic religions, especially Roman Catholic Church and Arabian Islam are a bad things for any local identity. They are fundamentally inclined to expand as a global force and disregard nations.

So in the 3 Christian majority north eastern states, if you ask someone when did you convert to Christianity, they will say in the last 50 years. If you ask why, They will say that the reason they converted is that a lot of bad practices of killing people and cutting of their heads used to happen and can’t Christianity addressed that. Now, by historical records, there are tribal conflicts but I really don’t could not find any history of cutting heads or stuff like that. It’s pure fiction to convict all of them and their culture of a fictional if not exaggerated crime and then offer your cult as potential salvation.

Similarly in the south and north India, the church says that caste is a big problem and hence encourages conversion to combat that. The funny since the church converts people on castes, the caste I identity becomes more much stronger among converted groups.

When people say things like Zapotec civilization of MesoAmerica used to kill babies, I have my suspicions about how true that is. I would like to know how different Europeans groups all got converted and I suspect that is a violent history as well where innocent people were made to feel guilty of a crime they did not commit.

When I came to America, church groups were the first people in my life that asked me about my caste openly. I later learnt that An south Indian pastor in the church adjacent to university keeps telling them about how tragic his family experienced caste based discrimination in south India. As far as I can see it’s bullcrap, but a lot of young white/black kids then go to India to help the poor caste discriminated folk in turn encouraging them to convert. This is one of the best university’s in the country and someone coming from there to rural India gets a lot of unnecessary clout.

About church and immigration it makes sense to me why they want to support it. Most white people are if not already, trying to be secular. Very few sincerely believe church beyond the 20s or so. The illegal immigrant from South America is far more religious and the newly arrived North African is more keen to convert and come to Sunday mass than the native white population.

I don’t know about the machete thing. India is a large country. In large countries to an extent everything and it’s opposite both can be true at the same time.

And yes most elite media is disproportionately upper caste. But I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. They were first groups to learn English and that’s a significant advantage in the country. What suprises me is how eager these woke these upper castes really are. Just like most of Trumps virulent opposition is a liberal white man, the same for Modi. His most virulent opposition is a upper caste English speaking person

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My family is a group called Jatts.

Got it. I dated a girl in college whose family owned a restaurant. She was Sikh and her family was from the Punjab region. She was a cool person, always very positive and full of life. I quickly felt bad dating and eventually let her go because she was supposed to have an arranged marriage and I felt shitty potentially messing up her families traditions.

It looks like the Jat people have such a strong identity due to old blood laws:

The status of being a Jat is defined by the Jat blood (DNA) of the Father and mother of the offspring (Children). The Scythians warriors that invaded the Haryana & Punjab region and India in general were men (males). Each one of them took native women as wives. The children produced from that joining were the first Jats. The Status of being a Jat in Jat Blood Law is decided by the father's Jat blood (the DNA Y chromosome of the father being from Central Asia). If a Jat Man marries a Jat Woman in Jat Blood Law the children from that marriage are given Full Jat status (100% Jat) by Jat Blood Laws. If a Jat Man marries a Non-Jat Woman in Jat Blood Law the children from that marriage are given Half Jat status (50% Jat) by Jat Tribal Blood Laws. If a Jat Woman marries a Non-Jat Man in Jat Blood Law the children from that marriage are given No Jat status (0% Jat) by Jat Blood Laws. jatland

I would like to see a return of these laws for whites although I'm not sure how it would work exactly for american whites but I'm sure we could figure it out.

Somehow, someplace britishers decided they were a martial race. This makes Jatts large part of the army which is the only pension paying job of the time.

Probably because they seemed reliable and the brits needed soldiers that wouldn't turn on them.

I suspect similar social engineering was done to create new caste groups by British for the case of Dravidian and many so called Brahmins groups as well.

This would not surprise me at all.

I do think Abrahamic religions, especially Roman Catholic Church and Arabian Islam are a bad things for any local identity.

Agreed but I think this can be mitigated with the right pope, cardinals and bishops. When Roman Catholics came over to the states in mass they had ethnic parishes and the priests would help keep the races and ethnicities in happy little boxes. Not so much today. They parishes were abolished as church leadership changed. E. Michael Jones writes about it in the book Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing. If Roman Catholicism can be salvaged I'd like to see it go back to a European only religion.

They are fundamentally inclined to expand as a global force and disregard nations.

As 'universalist' religions I concur but again this changes with different popes. The church is basically subverted by hostile forces today. They've used homosexuality, pedophillia, and communism to capture the institution.

So in the 3 Christian majority north eastern states, if you ask someone when did you convert to Christianity, they will say in the last 50 years. If you ask why, They will say that the reason they converted is that a lot of bad practices of killing people and cutting of their heads used to happen and can’t Christianity addressed that. Now, by historical records, there are tribal conflicts but I really don’t could not find any history of cutting heads or stuff like that. It’s pure fiction to convict all of them and their culture of a fictional if not exaggerated crime and then offer your cult as potential salvation.

Interesting. So it looks like the Jew globalists are using Christianity and manipulated indian history as weapons to break up the old ethnic strong holds of Indian society. This doesn't surprise me at all. Race and ethnic cohesion for me and not for thee is the calling card of these internationalist bullies. They love to play people off eachother. Market weapons to both sides and then watch people destroy eachother. Obviously they do it for profit but as a learn more about these old elite clans I think they do it for pleasure as well.

Similarly in the south and north India, the church says that caste is a big problem and hence encourages conversion to combat that.

There's a lot of anti caste propaganda in the US. I remember church groups coming into some of my childhood and college experiences and talking about the 'dangers' of the evil Indian caste system. Of course there's a lot of blatant pro Ghandi propaganda in US schools as well. They treat Ghandi like Jesus in american CRT literature.

When people say things like Zapotec civilization of MesoAmerica used to kill babies, I have my suspicions about how true that is. I would like to know how different Europeans groups all got converted and I suspect that is a violent history as well where innocent people were made to feel guilty of a crime they did not commit.

My major in college was History (early 2000's) and even then I could see how weaponized it was becoming. Colleges take the top students in history departments and try to steer them into 'diversity' research even if the evidence isn't leading in the direction of the preferred thesis. I had quite a few arguments with my advisor about this but ended up just doing what she told me so I could graduate. She did not recommend me to and PhD programs because of the differences (and I was essentially a liberal at the time, not even a conservative). I even took the US women's history feminist propaganda class she wanted (3 guys and 46 women in the class). Still no go on the rec.

it makes sense to me why they want to support it. Most white people are if not already, trying to be secular.

I think they've passed 'secular' and moved into full on self hating self destroying ideologies.

[–]Agni777[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We do have a strong identity and I now see a lot of sense in endogamy we have. I also think arranged and early is much better love and late for marriage. A lot of friends who had “love” marriages can’t speak with pride about Jatt history to kids. They also have seem to find questions about what “love” really is. My answer ? It’s the biggest con job that Hollywood and TV shows like friends did to the world. Media/entertainment is the strongest weapon in American propaganda machine for foreign matters and academic education (history) is the strongest weapon for internal matters

I am a bit surprised that my critic of Christianity is supported here. To me, with my current knowledge, a lot of what the sub says about Jews does not make complete sense about them but rather the church and other evangelical religions.

E Michael seems like a thought provoking writer. Thanks for the suggestion.

Gandhi is the single most destructive person to India (note I did not say Hinduism). In an attempt to subplant the national movement that was going on under a semi united front of moderate Hindus and moderate Muslims against the British, he befriended extremists Muslims in a movement for installing a caliphate in Turkey. So under him, British Indian subjects, ie, Hindus and Muslims asking for independence from British wanted a autocrat in Turkey. Go figure. Muslims correctly saw him as a convenient political tool. Intellectual Hindus elevated him to become a Mahatma and Pakistan is the result. I wish every enemy of mine has a leader like Gandhi. There is a long list of his support for atrocities on non Muslims and non British.

I have read some Greek and Egyptian mythology. It has a similar tone to Indian mythology. Especially the Greek. I think part of the reason why church would not like whites to learn that is then a lot of the Greek gods and their stories is that much of that would seem more inspiring and worthy of worship that the crucifix and cheap guilt they have to offer.

I was interested in history too but to get paid well in India meant you either became a doctor or an engineer. When I start to read social science research it shocks me how ridiculous the level is. But you know what explains it ? A lot of foundations will create a fellowship paying out about 25k-150k a year if you produce …n number of research papers. The Ford foundation does that almost everywhere for Christian institutions. I suspect some similar foundation might have created an incentive for your teacher to promote research on select topics while shafting truth.

You are right about whites being self hating and self destructive. It’s true with the liberal Hindus as well.

[–]Agni777[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I think of it, the challenge is that America has been advertised and sold as a market, not a nation. It has a process of citizens becoming passive dependent consumers capable only of rage.

Even military servicemen usually talk of economic reasons to serve. So everyone wants a better bank balance not necessarily develop a spine of national character.

The challenge is to revive the great nation from the clutches of the market

The same problem in India is that people are made to think of themselves as spiritual and religious people without anything to do about politics.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Under which guise do they push immigration in India?

In western Europe they say it's because of colonial past, here in Balkans and eastern Europe they say we are more lucky/privileged than immigrants so we should help.

India has neither of these things, so what do they say in India why you need immigration? Are they just straight up capitalists and say it's they need cheaper labour force or what? lol

[–]Agni777[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So the left in India has the savior complex that the American left also does.

Immigration is not as big as an issue in India as America or Europe. Conversion is. Like they replace the national majority here by racial minorities who are more likely to vote for the global left while erasing a history, there is a concerted effort to convert people to religious minorities who are more like likely to vote for the global left.

That’s not to say that immigration is not an issue. During partition, most people of religion of peace who voted for a separate country stayed put. The new country exterminated it’s religious minorities pretty swiftly. Even now, when the Rohingyas were supposedly persecuted in Burma, they came crossed a Muslim majority country Bangladesh, skipped many Indian stated to Settle in Kashmir. Notice they did not cross the border to a Muslim majority state of Pakistan.

When America left Afghanistan, there were protests by Afghani students to encourage India to accept refugees in large numbers from there.

[–]Agni777[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The second biggest majority usually has the been the representative of all minorities. Even the ones it persecuted

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Isn't Modi a Hindu Nationalist? What is he doing to fight the left?

[–]Agni777[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Modi is not anti Hindu like others. He is a nationalist who puts country first, but I don’t see any hint of Hindu nationalism in him. Economically, I would argue Modi is to the left of Bernie Sanders.

While he has won 2 elections politically (and thank Gods for that), he has not yet tried to influence institutions. Most of them still hate him and and many are communists bastions.

After his second political victory, the left has decided to maintain a street veto that is popularized through international media.

The tactic he has had is to simply wait and watch. it’s worked for him in the past. We had Year long street protests, riots broke out when president Trump visited, separatist sympathizers even attacked the Red fort on Republic day and thrashed police officers. He stayed on mute.

Ultimately, the realization is that even if you are successful with having an individual, without institutions supporting that individual, their policy, legacy can be reduced to mere ink on paper.

The left understands that innately. It knows and talks of power through culture, institutions and changing the narrative of history to suit themselves.