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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

our own nation's infrastructure is collapsing at break neck pace thanks to too many virus deniers.

No einstein. US infrastructure got a D- from the American civil engineer's association in 2019, long before the COVID saga began.

US infrastructure is falling apart because of byzantine bureaucracy that pockets all the money and delay projects to infinity. Diverting funds desperately needed for infrastructure to wars for Israel and handouts to blacks no doubt play a role as well.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yeah it's weird that he apparently doesn't know what infrastructure means, unless he thinks roads and bridges just started falling apart in late 2019 because maybe people that don't get the vaccine drive on them too much? LOL and he posts an article about hong kong that has nothing to do with immigrants to the West.

[–]TheJamesRocket 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No einstein. US infrastructure got a D- from the American civil engineer's association in 2019, long before the COVID saga began.

radicalcentrist is an idiot, but hes not such an idiot that he didn't know this. He is just making shit up in an attempt to troll the vaccine skeptics and start a flame war. He knows he can't win arguments with us anymore, so now he is resorting to naked provocation.

Hopefully he will continue going down the pyramid of debate, and get himself banned.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Best not to ban him. He'd just come back with another alt.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (45 children)

I'm so sick and tired of this COVID mess.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

Blame the schizos who think a 5 minute jab is worse than WW2. But they're getting their wish now. Hospitals in my country are starting to crumble because we're quickly running out of nurses.

[–]proc0 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

The jab does nothing to stop this. It just reduces serious illness in older people, and offers a tiny chance to slow the spread. This is not even controversial now.

There is a subtle false equivalence that the jab is the ONLY solution to the whole pandemic, and saying otherwise means you want people to die. What if 100% jab and virus still mutates and kills people? What if the one solution does not work? Are politicians and pharma going to be held accountable for the miscalculation? Of course not. This is not a civilization ending virus, and the measures called for are blatant power/cash grabs.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

The jab does nothing to stop this.

Why don't we have a polio epidemic anymore? Or why do schools tell children to be immunized against a whole host of diseases instead of just dumping Ebola positive Timmy in class?

It's not for nothing. But the lunatics ran with a completely different story that every Nurse and Doctor was contemplating genociding the world with a 5 minute medical procedure. The absolute definition of schizophrenia and paranoia.

Edit: And the ironic part is they get mad when hospitals want to turn away unvaccinated patients for making their life harder. They can trust medicine when they're on their death bed, but they turn into maniacs when a cure is offered to them upfront.

[–]TheJamesRocket 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Why don't we have a polio epidemic anymore? Or why do schools tell children to be immunized against a whole host of diseases instead of just dumping Ebola positive Timmy in class?

More false analogys. You've used this argument before, I already told you why it is wrong. To repeat: The polio vaccine is an inactivated vaccine which contains dead or inactivated virus particles. The covid vaccine is an RNA vaccine that produces the same proteins as the virus itself.

More importantly, the covid vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus. It only reduces the symptoms of infection. It is also a leaky vaccine, and it loses efficiency after several months, hence the need for booster shots. It is one of the most useless vaccines ever invented, which is little better than a placebo. You are not going to end the plandemic by jabbing everyone, especially since the Elites are using it as an excuse to push their agenda through.

Stop spreading bullshit.

[–]88BitSorelianism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The booster means it's working.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You literally type an entire paragraph just to say Covid vaccines wont work because the Elites wont let it happen and you use that as evidence for why it's somehow different from all previous vaccination campaigns.

It's annoying having to deal with conspiracy after conspiracy that always end up contradicting themselves in the end.

[–]TheJamesRocket 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You literally type an entire paragraph just to say Covid vaccines wont work because the Elites wont let it happen

Wrong again. I explained to you the reasons why the vaccine can never end the 'pandemic.' That remains true regardless of whether or not there is a conspiracy.

It's annoying having to deal with conspiracy after conspiracy that always end up contradicting themselves in the end.

Nope. They are separate theorys which stand on their own merit, but which mutually reinforce each other. The vaccines don't work, and the pandemic is a scam. Deal with it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

No, I'm not falling for this sorry.

Vaccinations were already proven to work last year. Deaths dropped and the majority of all new ICU cases came from the unvaccinated.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/

When these facts were known, my government had a responsibility to enforce tougher restrictions on the unvaccinated. But instead, my Premier (Doug Ford) had foolishly delayed rolling out vaccination passports at the last minute. Couple this with local cities refusing to crack down on illegal indoor gatherings and we've returned to square one.

And at a federal level, the government also failed to ban all international flights, which is how the virus first arrived in the country to begin with.

The two go hand in hand. Citizens MUST be vaccinated to help eliminate it, and foreigners must also be banned from entering a different country unless they quarantine for two weeks or more.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

why not get boosted then

[–]88BitSorelianism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He clearly doesn't trust the science.

[–]TheJamesRocket 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

No, I'm not falling for this sorry.

What a luxury it is, to ignore facts that contradict your story.

The vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus, that is a fact. It is a leaky vaccine, and it loses efficiency after several months. That is also a fact. Oh, and as for the hospitalisation numbers, you might want to look at these:

In Germany, 95% of the omicron infections were among the fully vaccinated.

In the United Kingdom, 83% of the covid deaths were among the fully vaccinated.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus, that is a fact.

Don't show me links after the virus has mutated. I showed proof last year that only the unvaccinated had made up the majority of new cases in Ontario.

The government was given a chance to keep it that way but the Premier had sat on rolling out passports at the last minute, in addition to the federal government refusing to stop international air travel into Canada.

This is why it's dangerous to let these antivax sympathizers anywhere close to power. The majority of Ontarians had overwhelming supported enacting the mandates and life itself would have been back to normal. But the government sat it out too long and erased all progress we've made.

On a positive side, this year is the election for Premier, and vaccinated Canadians could easily vote in a more radical government that wont be so kind to antivax. The silly back and forth jokes have gone on long enough, especially as our healthcare system can only handle so much now.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How much did you get paid to make this stupid comment?

[–]proc0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Polio is deadlier, and even then not 100% of the population got immunized, right? Only the vulnerable, which were children. Besides, if one solution worked for that disease, it doesn't mean the same solution will work for the next disease. The main objective should be to protect people from dying, and secondarily the hospitals from overflowing... but was that the main priority? If it was why weren't at-home treatments developed? Why are alternative medicines suppressed by hospitals, in favor of the "official" treatment(s)? There are too many of these lost opportunities to really solve the actual problem, instead of just pushing a new pharma product.

that every Nurse and Doctor was contemplating genociding the world

It seems to me doctors and nurses are in large part committed to following orders by the NIH or whatever medical organization they are part of, meaning that they can't practice actual 1 on 1 medicine with people. This synchronization can easily lead to large catastrophes of medical malpractice, which already are a huge death statistics. I'm amazed at how much all of a sudden people started trusting big pharma like the saviors of humanity.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Besides, if one solution worked for that disease, it doesn't mean the same solution will work for the next disease.

Thank god medical research didn't just stop in the 1950s. It's almost like Scientists are suppose to be paid to come up with solutions for fighting new ones all the time...

Why are alternative medicines suppressed by hospitals, in favor of the "official" treatment(s)?

Probably for the same reasons why can't I do open heart surgery with a chain saw, or rub a dead chicken on a patient's forehead?

Having standards is a good thing.

[–]proc0 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Probably for the same reasons why can't I do open heart surgery with a chain saw, or rub a dead chicken on a patient's forehead?

Even heart surgery requires consent, and is the decision of the patient, in addition to their being multiple solutions for virtually any disease. This is the first time everyone has become a zealot and push for the narrative that literally everyone should take seasonal shots forever (not even hyperbole).

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Probably for the same reasons why can't I do open heart surgery with a chain saw,

The chainsaw was developed as a medical instrument by two Scottish doctors.

or rub a dead chicken on a patient's forehead?

The Vicary Method, named after Thomas Vicary, an English doctor.

Were those deliberate choices? My ankle surgery was done with something identical to a Dremel, and staple guns they use to close wounds are just sterilized stamped metal staple guns you use in construction. Super glue is still handy for closing wounds.

While a chainsaw itself isn't still used, it was the forerunner of what we do still use. The chicken thing didn't work out obviously.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The chainsaw was developed as a medical instrument by two Scottish doctors.

They certainly were, but for reference, they actually looked like this:

https://files.catbox.moe/q5tdlj.jpg

Now imagine waiting in the operating room as the Doctor brings out this:

https://files.catbox.moe/3ub64k.jpg

While a chainsaw itself isn't still used, it was the forerunner of what we do still use. The chicken thing didn't work out obviously.

The point is, I don't think professional medicine needs to entertain every single idea for the sake of it.

It's a massive waste of time, we would need to train more people on the safety behind each of them, and more importantly, more efficient methods already exist that makes it redundant.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The old fashioned chainsaw is very cool.

The point is, I don't think professional medicine needs to entertain every single idea at trying to find a cure.

All we have now are vaccines that keep wearing off, that don't prevent spread, were built two variants ago, and have questionable effectiveness against what has now become a more mild variant of an already very survivable virus.

The covid vaccine is like the flu shot. We haven't been able to get rid of the flu this way, I don't see why there'd be any expectation it would get rid of covid. Since covid is apparently here to stay, we need viable alternatives.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why don't we have a polio epidemic anymore?

The polio epidemic was over before mass-vaccination ever began. Today, polio vaccines cause more cases of polio than they prevent.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh yeah, that makes complete sense. India had reintroduced oral vaccines in 2010, but they did not actually see levels higher than 1980.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-25709362

But keep the comments coming. I feel like I'm becoming a medical expert by the day. Even as someone who was never all that interested in it before.

The only reason why I care about this stuff is because health is important. If you can't keep a nation healthy, how does one expect civilization to survive? I don't want all of Canada dead because there are actual fringe autists who might think drinking bleach is a miracle drug. Every other conspiracy makes sense because they don't tie themselves to the Darwin awards and get real people harmed.

[–]88BitSorelianism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't want all of Canada dead

LOL you're completely delusion.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's an exaggeration, but if you actually lived here, you would understand just how fragile our country can be.

A lot of Boomers are going to retire or have started retiring this decade. This is not actually a good thing to have, because it takes long time to train new doctors and nurses to replace them. Sending more sick people to the hospital has caused a massive strain on our system, which was never built to handle the influx. In addition, the poor treatment of Nurses and Doctors has also made this career feel toxic to any newcomers who want to help but now can't.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[M] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You're getting to a point that almost every comment you make is an anti debate tactic, a major fallacy, or a distraction of some type. People here attempt to engage you with data and questions and you squirm around with your responses. It's looking like you're starting to bump up against rule 2. You're allowed to be 'pro vax' on DAR but your not allowed to take a shit on the rules.

You've also been asked by several people on this sub to share if you've been BOOSTED. You can't write hundreds of comments in favor of covid injections and then refuse to answer if you've taken the injections (all of them required to be considered 'fully vaccinated'). The fact that you won't respond to those inquiries is an indicator that you are likely breaking rule three as well. Misrepresentation of your positions.

Consider this your first formal warning. Please read the rules carefully and participate in good faith.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You can't write hundreds of comments in favor of covid injections and then refuse to answer if you've taken the injections (all of them required to be considered 'fully vaccinated')

You're inserting your own agenda into how sovereign nation's define "fully vaccinated".

Canada, as of typing this, still recognizes 2 doses as being fully vaccinated.

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/covid-vaccinated-travellers-entering-canada

To qualify as a fully vaccinated traveller to Canada, you must:have received at least 2 doses of a vaccine accepted for travel, a mix of 2 accepted vaccines or at least 1 dose of the Janssen/Johnson & Johnson vaccine

Or another example. The most recent firings of civil servants were those who didn't comply with 2 doses by January 2nd.

https://twitter.com/dmrider/status/1478789731005702148


Consider this your first formal warning.

That makes no sense, because I fall within my government's rules of vaccination. If they change it, I would adhere to it, but so far, nothing I've done contradicts this.

You're getting to a point that almost every comment you make is an anti debate tactic, a major fallacy, or a distraction of some type. People here attempt to engage you with data and questions and you squirm around with your responses. It's looking like you're starting to bump up against rule 2. You're allowed to be 'pro vax' on DAR but your now allowed to take a shit on the rules.

If people want to post their counter data I wont stop them. And in fact, I do read them even if I think their sources are weird.

But when they equally retort with stuff that says "pandemic can't end because the Elites wont let it happen" then I think the antivax people are hypocrites. I can agree to both sides focusing more on sharing data, but if they keep saying the conspiracy is real because it is, then expect my own reaction that says they're acting weird.

For example, I see someone like TheJamesRocket who doesn't want to admit that vaccines work at all. If he wants to believe that, that's cool for him. But it's stubbornness like that gave rise to supporting vaccine mandates, since many people in real life are tired of the consequences of the government doing nothing. You could debate all day about whether it's fair, but like every law that's ever passed, they serve as immediate solutions to temporary (or long term) problems.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If they change it, I would adhere to it

So if Canada consults some government approved medical association and under those recommendations adds an additional shot every month for the next year you will comply with that regiment? Is there any scenario where you would oppose a government mandate? Any number of shots? Any frequency?

For example, I see someone like TheJamesRocket who doesn't want to admit that vaccines work

He frequently posts studies and data proving his point. You ignore that data and change the subject. Vaccine effectiveness is repeatedly shown to be smoke and mirrors. We've been engaging with you on this topic for at least 6 months. Maybe longer. You constantly lose the argument. You constantly fail to address the information given. Yet you continue to be blindly in support of government mandated medical procedures. Many of the other vaccine shills have at least a degree of nuance in their debates and attempt to argue in good faith. You on the other hand stand out as a blatant contrarian. Some might even say you're engaging in pilpul. What does /u/thejamesrocket even have to do with the questions and warning I issued to you in the first comment? This is just another slide from you.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

So if Canada consults some government approved medical association and under those recommendations adds an additional shot every month for the next year you will comply with that regiment? Is there any scenario where you would oppose a government mandate? Any number of shots? Any frequency?

I'm actually very pro-mandate. In this very thread, I even said the Canadian government's complete negligence in enforcing restrictions has lead to our own healthcare system imploding. So the fear of shots doesn't even begin to register, when we might not even have any Doctors left to help administer them.

See what I'm talking about now? Bringing up conspiracies does less to justify these things than you think. I'm focused on keeping a nation running first just to be able to do anything at all.

He frequently posts studies and data proving his point. You ignore that data and change the subject. Vaccine effectiveness is repeatedly shown to be smoke and mirrors. We've been engaging with you on this topic for at least 6 months. Maybe longer. You constantly lose the argument. You constantly fail to address the information given. Yet you continue to be blindly in support of government mandated medical procedures. Many of the other vaccine shills on this sub at least a degree of nuance in their debates and attempt to argue in good faith. You on the other hand stand out and a blatant contrarian. Some might even say you're engaging in pilpul. What does /u/thejamesrocket even have to do with the questions and warning I issued to you in the first comment? This is just another slide from you.

I could build a time machine and ask you to step inside a hospital and physically count the bodies that had been racking up between August and September 2021, and when the tally shows that unvaxxed are the patients, you will somehow argue it's not real. That type of denial has proven itself to be too destructive in my country, enough people could show up to the polls this year and replace the current party with a much more harsher one that wont bend the knee on restrictions.

And that's why I think it's a mistake for many on the antivax side to keep up a charade. I'm generally a nice guy, and for 2 years, I already listened to all sorts garbled nonsense that has only made my country worse. But given that,

  1. The majority support mandates and are upset the government did nothing to enforce them or sabotaged previous efforts when they were needed

  2. The antivax crowd are a minority and are not needed to support our health infrastructure. In fact, it has been the polar opposite. Their beliefs contributed to draining the system while still claiming all the same benefits from it. On top of allowing other horrors to exist (i.e getting life saving surgeries cancelled or postponed, because doctors were forced to treat them instead of other more deserving civilians).

Then it's time to move on and pass laws that will restore order until something better comes along. You are once again, free to debate the fairness of this, but as Eastern Asian countries have demonstrated, putting national and social ideas first is simply a better way to ride out the pandemic, then letting open border proponents endanger everything.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ask you to step inside a hospital and physically count the bodies

this is not allowed, since hospitals are empty

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

simply a better way to ride out the pandemic, then letting open border proponents endanger everything.

and we should close the borders, but your dem politicians disagree

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Eastern Asian countries have demonstrated, putting national and social ideas first is simply a better way to ride out the pandemic

You're right. After pulling a number of vaxx batches and allowing it's citizens to use Ivermectin, Japan is doing really well!

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Japan is 79% fully vaccinated. It could still be higher, especially as I do remember the Japanese government had A LOT of bureaucratic nonsense going on both before and after they held the Olympics, but they've seem to have gotten smarter now.

And the Ivermectin stuff is fake news. It's not even on the list of Japan's government sponsored drugs.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/11/27/no-ivermectin-did-not-help-japan-bring-down-covid-19-coronavirus-delta-surge/?sh=37c54ff92938

It didn’t seem to be the Japanese government. If you look at Japan’s Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices Agency’s list of Approved Medical Products for Covid-19, you’ll find stuff like remdesivir and baricitinib but no ivermectin. And none of these ivermectin-touting tweets seemed to be from real scientists and other experts from Japan. Why not tweet about Japan when you don’t actually live in Japan because who cares what people in Japan actually think, right?

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://www.forbes.com

Yet again you post MSM garbage as if it's a legitimate source.

Link disregarded.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Forbes article is very preachy for MSM, but every other source confirms that drug itself was never sponsored by their government.

In fact, I found the opposite. The ivermectin came from India, which is obviously not part of Japan...

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/02/21/national/drugs-import-coronavirus/

An increasing number of people in Japan are taking imported COVID-19 drugs that are not authorized for use in the country, prompting public health officials to issue a warning against taking such medicine. Side effects from unauthorized medicines may not be compensated for by the government, the health ministry warned. A woman in her 40s in Shizuoka Prefecture is among those who have imported such drugs. She took ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug produced by an Indian company that is not approved for treating COVID-19 in Japan. She ordered the drug through an import agent after doing her own research, including by reading papers available from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Regardless, these people taking these third party drugs are just delaying the inevitable. Get a vaccine shot which is guaranteed to boost your immune system, and never have to worry about the virus again.

That's why I find the antivax crap hilarious. The vaccines are provided for free, but go ahead and waste your money on another "big pharma" company instead.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

get the booster yet?

[–]PRESIDENTIALCOCK 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

doesn't prevent transmission

doesn't provide immunity

doesn't lessen symptoms

Remind me again how vaccines work?

Cope and seethe, also please take more boosters.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The highest death rates were in the months of May 2020 and January 2021. Ever since 2-doses were allowed, we have never gone back to those levels.

https://files.catbox.moe/1f8qgr.png

But the vaccines alone would have been better if we also banned all foreign travel to go with it. In which case, the pandemic itself would have been over.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

higest death rates when vaccines introduced. Hmmmm

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Canada never manufactured their own vaccines and in fact, there were major shortages that delayed the rollout. Seems like the theory was bust before it happened...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306

It stands as a miracle for how well this pandemic is documented. If it weren't for the government bungling restrictions, everyone would have ignored the conspiracy theorists by now.

[–]AidsVictim69 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

All you had to do was destroy Western civilization to achieve it.

Oh wait... that's the exact same thing as White genocide.

Only in the mind of liberals who think "Western civilization" is entirely composed of bourgeoise materialism and cosmopolitan culture.

But I'm not really sure what your point is. Spread has been inevitable and consistent in regions within the US regardless of vaccination levels and likewise in highly vaccinated countries in Europe with no significant anti vaxx movements.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But I'm not really sure what your point is. Spread has been inevitable

The East Asian countries refute this.

In fact, right now in Japan there's anger at how Covid is spreading. Hint: It's not the Japanese, it's the U.S Army bases stationed there who aren't very respectful of their surroundings.

https://www.wionews.com/world/japan-people-in-okinawa-are-angry-at-us-military-personnel-for-spreading-coronavirus-cases-442402

And that says it all. Why does a homogenous high IQ nation like Japan take a pandemic more seriously than the "diverse" and hyper individualist Western countries? Because they actually understand the importance of preserving their race and telling foreigners to go away.

Even today, Western countries are still killing themselves by refusing to wear masks or practice social distancing despite the virus being around for 2 years.

It's not a surprise now when we start seeing articles like the one I just posted in the OP, where Asian countries have to start banning flights to the West because it's too hazardous. But we still have conspiracy theorists within our ranks who say "Lol, no virus exists. Just go back to dying and eating horse paste".

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The East Asian countries refute this.

Ok, spread was inevitable within the context of existing Western countries without a radical turn in the cultural mentality. It has little to with the vaxx either way though - to your main point, it isn't anti vaxx movements that resulted in the spread since they a) don't significantly prevent the spread b) highly vaccinated Western societies (or areas of the US) are not fairing significantly better in infection rates. All the vaccine is really doing is giving better outcomes in vulnerable people. Which is good but it's not making the point you're making.

And that says it all. Why does a homogenous high IQ nation like Japan take a pandemic more seriously than the "diverse" and hyper individualist Western countries? Because they actually understand the importance of preserving their race and telling foreigners to go away.

Even today, Western countries are still killing themselves by refusing to wear masks or practice social distancing despite the virus being around for 2 years.

It's not a surprise now when we start seeing articles like the one I just posted in the OP, where Asian countries have to start banning flights to the West because it's too hazardous. But we still have conspiracy theorists within our ranks who say "Lol, no virus exists. Just go back to dying and eating horse paste".

The virus isn't a significant threat to Western demographics, perhaps there's some tortured analogy between racial attitudes and the virus response but I don't think it's of much importance.

The viruses importance either way has been significantly overblown. I just ignore most of the right wing fetishization of it, the same as I ignore the liberal paranoia and propaganda for a virus that isn't especially dangerous to most people.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, spread was inevitable within the context of existing Western countries without a radical turn in the cultural mentality. It has little to with the vaxx either way though - to your main point, it isn't anti vaxx movements that resulted in the spread since they a) don't significantly prevent the spread b) highly vaccinated Western societies (or areas of the US) are not fairing significantly better in infection rates. All the vaccine is really doing is giving better outcomes in vulnerable people. Which is good but it's not making the point you're making.

It does that, while not ripping through an entire population and killing off a significant number of people in addition to making it more difficult to produce new variants.

https://files.catbox.moe/oe2np5.png

This is the same explanation for why previous diseases have been eradicated or contained through vaccination. In fact, antivax are making it impossible for us to actually escape this cycle because they enable this chain to continue. Couple this with their deliberate behavior to refuse to mask up, or quarantine, and the anger against them becomes more justified.

The virus isn't a significant threat to Western demographics, perhaps there's some tortured analogy between racial attitudes and the virus response but I don't think it's of much importance. The viruses importance either way has been significantly overblown. I just ignore most of the right wing fetishization of it, the same as I ignore the liberal paranoia and propaganda for a virus that isn't especially dangerous to most people.

I apologize, it wasn't my attention to literally imply Covid is wiping race away. I was referring to the fact that when a nation is homogenous and racially unified, then they are much better equipped at enforcing restrictions and having communal respect in order to reduce the spread or damage of a virus.

I think most people on Earth understand that Covid is not a 1-hit KO toxic substance, like how radiation from atomic bombs are. Perhaps only the extreme fringe on the Left see it that way.

BUT, it's still been demonstrated everywhere that having at least 1 sick person inside a crowded school, airplane or meat processing plant is enough to get it closed down for being a health violation. And as we move onto year 2 or 3 of the pandemic, having to repeat this every... single... day... is starting to kill of a lot of jobs. For example, look at Tourism? Without vaccination, how on Earth can that industry continue to operate when outbreaks can take out a single cruise ship? People need to start thinking about the future of the world or else, prepare to make even bigger sacrifices when the time is too late to stop it.

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great news

[–]88BitSorelianism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"Ha Ha. Take that vacc... cough... cough.. oh no!"

https://files.catbox.moe/scv0ty.png

[–]TheJamesRocket 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

LOL, this is the most blatant horseshit I've seen from you yet. And thats really saying something. You really think vaccine skeptics are dying en masse from the coronavirus, which has a 99% survival rate? You don't have a fucking clue.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

*99.8%

[–]88BitSorelianism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The average age of death from Covid is higher than the life expectancy. Btw how much do you weigh?