Has the Bell Curve ruined anyone elses enjoyment of life?

submitted by radicalcentristNational Centrism from self.debatealtright

Even though IQ is most famously used to explain race differences, I'm just as shocked and annoyed to witness the huge amounts of idiots in every day life, with many people being in positions of power where they shouldn't belong.

Prior to being "woke" on the intelligence research, I use to assume that most people weren't intentionally stupid, they were just either lazy or intentionally obtuse. But more and more, I'm convinced that modern society is being populated with actual retards who can't put 2 and 2 together.

And the worst part is, the same politicians and actual "smart" people in power act completely oblivious to this level of social destruction. Offering to sell us lies that mass stupid is actually a result of "environment" "bad schools" or "poverty" instead of being completely biological.

Except, it's not true. Whenever I pass by an Asian neighborhood, it becomes clear that having an average IQ of 105 or more leads to people behaving themselves in public, forming nice lines while waiting for the bus, the ability to use technology effortless and so forth.

But now pass by or try and do business with any other group, and the amount of real life retards suddenly jumps right in your face. Want to order a simple meal at a restaurant? The cashier can barely read or understand english. Or want to go outside for a jog? Too many stupid people can't clear a sidewalk.

It's pretty damn sad and really does makes me wish a government could be elected one day that will finally address the IQ problem. We let far too many stupid act like they're completely immune from consequences or that they're not the ones dragging down society with their uselessness.

Perhaps once people realize Blacks remain a completely dysfunctional group due to shitty genes, it will cause everyone to reflect on their own genetic history and wonder what's the point of tolerating morons for so long when we don't have to?

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (35 children)

I went through a phase that it bothered me. Then I realized low IQ people are only a problem when they are weaponized for some reason. Under the right conditions 'low' IQ people are just another segment of a cohesive society. If we got rid of all the low IQ races we'd still have low IQ whites. If we went further and got rid of all the low IQ whites we'd still have 'lower' IQ whites. Having a range of IQ's is just part of civilization. It's a stabilizing element.

In fact I'm not really a huge fan of IQ analysis. It's useful to help explain why racial mixing is bad but there are so many reasons why non whites should not live with whites. There are so many more dimensions to what makes someone implicitly near kin and another person an outsider. Aggression, temperament, sense of fair play, grit, playfulness, inventiveness, compassion, religiosity, inquisitiveness (even aesthetics, odor, sounds, tone, etc). These are all traits outside the scope of 'IQ'.

If you get over focused on IQ you run the risk of keeping too many non whites around. You might even think it's a good idea to import non whites. People that over the long run would destroy the uniqueness of whites. High IQ immigration is just as dangerous as low IQ immigration. You start running into the law of diminishing returns with higher and higher intelligence. Many high IQ types cause harm to themselves and others.

I don't like whites because they have a high IQ. I like whites because they are whites.

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    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Incorporating too many outsiders into your tribe changes your tribe.

    [–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Your tribe will change regardless if there are outsiders in it or not. The hope is that it doesn't change into a tribe that isn't yours anymore.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    More broadly, people should live with their own kind. It leads to more cohesiveness, happiness, and confidence.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I'm not happy with humans at all.

    Actually this whole world is the matrix or a dream controlled by demons and even my own flesh is against me. This entire existence is founded upon evil dominating and thriving.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You remind me of this meme:

    https://files.catbox.moe/h3talq.jpg

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well it's the truth.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This entire existence is founded upon evil dominating and thriving.

    Nature of this era

    [–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    Whites should not live with non-whites is a rather sweeping statement. I personally am white and find that the people I identify with is largely independent of race. I respect that you would rather be around people who you see as like you, and that those people are white - but not everyone is making judgements through the same lens. I would say the IQ stuff is too narrow also, but if I can only choose people based on IQ or race, ill take the all high IQ group over the all-white group

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    ill take the all high IQ group over the all-white group

    It's not about who you like to hang out with. It's about who builds better societies. An all high IQ multi racial society isn't going to be as utopian as you think it will be.

    [–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    I wasn't very clear there.

    I don't think high IQ multiracial as the basis of a society would be a utopia at all, just slightly preferable to a society based completely around being white.

    I would want to live in a society where people share my ideas about how the social contracts and economy should be arranged, e.g. those who are similar to me in ideology. If that society was multi-racial or mono-racial wouldn't matter that much to me.

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      [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      You have the right to your opinion. The macaroni is the most beautiful and attractive noodle and its unique phenotype must be preserved. I don't see how statements like these not based in facts or even cohesive theory are adding to a discussion or likely to help someone understand where you are coming from.

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        [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Appreciate the effort you guys have made to explain this to me as a non-alt-righter. I did not grasp the nuance on you guys position, but I understand where you guys are coming from now.

        I don't know that w'ell ever share ideology, but I think it's important to understand where people are coming. Appreciate the discussion.

        [–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Educate me on this. While ethnonationalism defines nations as having a shared ethnicity and heritage, I don't see how this connects to preserving global genetic diversity. I can see an ethnonationalist arguing that people are best in their own nations, but not that they'd be concerned about what happens between outsider nations.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Look up the work of Satoshi Kanazawa.

        [–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Appreciate the good faith dialogue. Looks like Kanazawa does credibly discuss 'objective attractiveness', I can understand the way he is using the term. I can see he makes the claim specifically that Black people are 'objectively' considered less attractive by some measurable standard. I see what you are getting at here, and note your point - however, this doesn't quite support the 'white people are the most attractive race' stuff that other guy was saying. I highly doubt Kanazawa with an obviously Japanese name would support that sentiment

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        I don't think it's really a matter of objectively ranking the races though I brought him up because it was the topic under discussion.

        Even if Whites were the ugliest and stupidest people on Earth I'd still want to preserve them. It's human bio diversity and it's prescious. Obviously we're neither of those things but ultimately it's something most on the DR want to preserve for many reasons probably as simple as me wanting the Willy Wag Tail bird to be preserved. It's one expression of the beauty of nature and to lose it would be a tragedy. Same for White people.

        I highly doubt Kanazawa with an obviously Japanese name would support that sentiment

        Quite telling that you actually think his ethnicity would affect his scientific outcomes. What a bizarre thing to say.

        [–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        I think that's a reasonable take i can understand, I have no problem with preserving biodiversity.

        Its not so much I think his ethnicity would determine the outcome of his research per se, but often when I have heard arguments about racial or cultural superiority, the person making the argument, scientist or otherwise is usually a member of the supposedly superior group. I don't think it's that bizarre to assume some inherent bias often exists

        [–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I would want to live in a society where people share my ideas about how the social contracts and economy should be arranged, e.g. those who are similar to me in ideology. If that society was multi-racial or mono-racial wouldn't matter that much to me.

        You generally don't pick and choose who get's to live in real world societies, you deal with the reality of group (racial) averages. Anyone can construct some theoretical society full of people who have XYZ qualities or ideology but that's a largely useless exercise except as ideological masturbation.

        Libertarians putting ideology over reality is mostly why it's been a useless movement outside of furthering the interests of capital.

        [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I'll admit to being somewhat of an idealist. But I think the real world can have aspects of what I am talking about - For example, liberals like to congregate in San Francisco - they arent all libs, but they are overrepresented. I think people often move to states where the prevailing ideology matches their own.

        I realize society doesn't work quite the way I was talking about, but I was talking about a very idealized situation - I was saying IF I could choose the composition of my society, thats what it what it would look like. Someone else had said their ideal society looked all White, I'm saying my ideal society is a bunch of people who are socially libertarian and economically left. I realize I um very unlikely to ever live in such a society.

        Honestly, I think I have gained some understanding of you guy's positions. I have had a few members explain ethnonationalism to me in terms of preserving genetic diversity, and I can at least understand where you are all coming from there. I know we won't agree on many things, but I do think it's possible for us to empathize and understand each other even if we share different ideas about what would make the world better.

        Anyway's, appreciate the discussion, and you guys taking the effort to engage with me, even though I am not a member of your ideological group.

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

        In a perfect world, having low IQ members of the same race would not matter, and that may have been true thousands of year prior. HOWEVER, the world has changed a lot since the days of hunting with spears, to the point that intelligence is the only way to survive in a capitalist and technological society.

        I believe this is what Adolf Hitler was hinting at had the Axis powers won WW2. We should have applied the same selective breeding techniques used to rear healthier and stronger farm animals with that of humans.

        It may sound harsh but imagine if you gave birth to a son who was clinically retarded? Sure, you would still love him as a natural reaction, but imagine having to explain to him he could never become an Astronaut, or Physicist or even an Entrepreneur because he lost the genetic lottery? Now repeat this for the millions of other people being born everyday, and we're intentionally creating an oversupply of useless people who will grow up to take away from the system, as opposed to adding to it?

        China is ahead of the curve on this. Even in a country that already has a billion people, Jared Taylor pointed out that the Chinese will be the first to practice Eugenics, and successfully raise a new generation who will all be master race tier. From being immune to diseases, to being 7 feet tall, to having an intelligence rivaling supercomputers, reality will hit most people and realize we made a mistake with not carefully choosing our mates much sooner....

        [–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        intelligence is the only way to survive in a capitalist and technological society.

        That's the opposite of the truth though.

        Capitalism and technology both encourage mindless good-goy thoughts and punish/push away higher level thinking and individual opinions.

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Companies like Walmart or Amazon absolutely prey on the weak and stupid to keep their empires alive, but the Men responsible for creating them were absolutely not "mindless goys".

        Steve Jobs, Sam Walton, Henry Ford, Elon Musk are not idiots. These guys are the higher level thinkers with individual opinions that are worth trillions.

        Want to prove this wrong? Then go ahead and invent a more valuable product or service than all these Men did. I'll be waiting.

        [–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        yes, the people at the top were high level thinkers and the like, but that wasn't the point nor is it the point now. The masses are the issue here, and normal people and people with potential get sucked into the trap of "hide form the horrors wrought upon the world by indulging in the degeneracy and other distractions".

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        But that's not a survival strategy.

        In fact, if all you do is consume, where do you get the money to buy luxuries? You could beg or live on welfare, but those activities pale in comparison to those who work white collar jobs or become successful entrepreneurs.

        I don't disagree that the masses do get sucked into this type of system, but they also have a responsibility to free themselves from it. For example, when people run out of money, do they look for a job or join a life of crime? By doing the latter, they stay in poverty or get locked in jail.

        [–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        The issue is you're looking at this from a lens that ignores outside influence. All of these would be valid questions in a vacuum, but in a just and idealistic society they would be moot and in the current society you have to factor in interference from Jewish vermin and their allies.

        One must remember that a vast majority of people are naturally degenerate simply due to survival and natural instincts. Even the brightest and most self-controlling are still slaves in some capacity to their base urges, even if in the most minor and fleeting of ways. The state should exist to prevent these urges from taking over and trying to keep individuals as happy, healthy, and productive as possible.

        The modern state is the inversion of this. The ZOG state and its progeny, namely the media, modern capitalism, and other social ills are structured to achieve the exact opposite: keeping people miserable, controlled, dependent on the state to be kept alive by (sometimes literal) tubes and machines, and keeping them unproductive and useless.

        Not working should not be an option. Not "he who doesn't work, neither shall he eat", but rather "he who does not work shall be forced to do so".

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Well, if you follow the news of the last 24 months, most people have come to reject working for the sake of working.

        I'm not sure if I mentioned it in this thread already, but the mindless careers like dishwashers, cashiers, factories etc are no longer in high supply. It's McDonalds that is begging people to join them for an extra $1000 bonus, instead of normal people just applying and preying they get a spot.

        In fact, I would argue there is a revolution going on that is leading to a more decentralized society. Look at Work from home. Nothing hurts Capitalists more than seeing their workers refuse to come into the office everyday, because most people would rather be at a home and as a result, have more free time to be with their families, while still enjoying the same benefits of getting a paycheck.

        All the High IQ people have quickly adapted to this lifestyle change, it's the Low IQ members of society who don't have the same privileges (although to be fair, there are still jobs that can't be made remote. Like construction or farming).

        So I share the same goals you do with creating a society that is more happy and healthy and doesn't have to feed into our urges. But once again, the obstacle of genetics prevents us from executing these ideals on a wide scale. If everyone was born with genius intellect, then more people can flee the cities and start their own homestead or look after a community, while still benefiting from the Capitalist system that rewards success.

        [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Insightful comment and very true.

        [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        If the point it's just not bothering you, use your high IQ to get rich and start living in a walled community. Simple as.

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        IMO, I still wouldn't be satisfied.

        I mentioned China in my last sentence as an example of a country that could solve this problem permanently. They will most likely be the first country to engineer genetically superior humans, and the impact will be massive.

        But therein lies a second problem. If China reaches master race status before the West, then our way of life will no doubt be controlled by them. Similar to when Europeans first met the Native Indians, their guns wiped the floor with their primitive spears.

        That's just how important IQ science is. Even if I choose to go hide in a walled community, there's going to be another group out there who will still find us.

        [–]TrabWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        I just get frustrated/perplexed at liberal midwits who still think all races are intellectually equal as a whole. Like Jesus Christ these people live in big cities and they still can't see black people are less intelligent as a whole? Sometimes I think they don't get it and other times I think they secretly do but I genuinely have no idea with these people

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        The Liberal Whites still live in their own gated communities and never stay past midnight in a black neighborhood.

        https://files.catbox.moe/3r59eh.jpeg

        As soon as their neighborhood gets enriched, they sell their homes and move to the next White liberal community, repeating the trend.

        [–]TrabWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Suburban liberals (typically boomer/GenXers) but there is a substantial Millennial/GenZ liberal who might have grown up in the suburbs but moved to the City (for the HUSTLE and BUSTLE) some of which lived in cities like Chicago/New York yet still seem oblivious to black behavior. I don't get it

        [–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I'm sure they do see blacks as less intelligent on average. The issue lies in that they believe they can improve their intelligence. Or maybe they're willing to let others suffer at mangy, volatile blacks if it means that there are more intelligent blacks.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

        Didn't you get something like 100 in the IQ test?

        [–]shilldetector 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Honestly, hes probably just a blork3d alt and the 109 isnt his real score. Who the fuck knows, I dont even care anymore as most of the DAR shills or trolls seem relatively harmless so long as you dont let them spam the sub with troll posts. They may be doing some kind of oppo research or may just be mentally ill. The fuck if I know.

        [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        IQ is gay I was tested in the high 140s as a kid and had the GATE shit (God knows what that did to me) and it doesn't have a bearing on success in the modern world (which boils down to showing up and showing deference to superiors). All it means is that you figure shit out faster.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I agree IQ absolutism and IQ fetishism are stupid. I wouldn't care what the avg White IQ was I'd still want to preserve our people and our ways. I think it's important for public policy in general and more significant than what you say but placing it at the forefront of your ideas is pretty stupid.

        [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I mean it's not unimportant but it's not the key to an enlightened existence or anything. That said IQ is definitely at the top of my list for finding a woman bc my kids would be our average.

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        and it doesn't have a bearing on success in the modern world (which boils down to showing up and showing deference to superiors). All it means is that you figure shit out faster.

        Which is still pretty damn important, since the modern world relies entirely on speed.

        Whether it's sports, music, art, trades, software development etc, in every career the person who can think the fastest is always at an advantage.

        [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        If only objective performance mattered more than likeability and deference in hierarchies. God I hate white collar politics so much. Academia, military, corporate, everywhere is like this.

        [–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        All it means is that you figure shit out faster.

        Not really. It's extremely difficult to impossible for many high level concepts/forms of abstracted thought to be understood by people with 100 or less IQ, at least in any useful timeframe or dynamically enough for their input to be valuable. Leaders tend to be high IQ (relative to their peers) for a reason. Anyone who has taught can tell you that some people are just never going to understand some concepts in any useful capacity, it's not just that they're slower learning it, it's that the best they can do is rote regurgitation with handholding.

        [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Most high level jobs are just shifting stacks of paper anyway, shame the highest IQs in the modern world are wasted doing that.

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        109

        Which is still above average, but even I still hate the fact I was born below the benchmark that cuts off before genius.

        As I explained in an earlier post to send_nasty_stuff, we live in a world that is constantly aiming to be more successful than others, and the moment you fall behind, the entire world takes advantage of you.

        A good example right now, factory jobs are becoming obsolete. Most people are realizing the crappy pay and standing behind a conveyer belt all day has no benefits. CEO's will respond by getting robots to do the job for even cheaper than this. Since the low IQ depend on jobs that have no skill, they face a future that is ready to move on without them.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

        109 makes perfect sense. Just in my experience it's always midwits -- or sub-midwit in your case -- who go around moaning about how stupid everyone is. They also seem to love the sound of their own banal voice and think they're utterly fascinating individuals. You're a perfect example.

        Id love to know why that is.

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        If you want a real answer, being a midwit has allowed me to experience a greater range of jobs, while having a unique advantage of being self aware of my position.

        You'll rarely see a Doctor or President, shovel their own snow or take out garbage. They'll just pay some laborer or maid to do it for them.

        But I've been open to working in factories or retail before, and it becomes immediately apparent, you have to babysit a lot of people who failed school and need a lot of handholding just to do basic stuff.

        I have also done jobs where my co-workers could not solve a simple question like 1+1 = 2. They were seriously that DUMB. It just feels so awful that we let these people exist when their goals in life are extremely limited. It's either that, or a lot of them turn to crime and further drag down society.

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          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          I don't think the comparison works.

          There's a lot more overlap with an average IQ person and geniuses, than there are with retards and average IQ.

          An 85 IQ would be hard pressed to live a normal life, when they most likely failed school, don't quite understand technology, and are much more prone to joining organized crime or street gangs.

          Someone who is 100 IQ is not dumb, but just boring. They're very good at their jobs, probably own a home and understands the importance of civilization. Where they struggle is with entering leadership roles that can influence and directly shape society.

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            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            Actually, that's not true.

            https://files.catbox.moe/fhn1be.jpg

            You can find 100 IQ people in the highest roles of society, whereas 85 IQ never associate with geniuses or reach their ranks.

            Edit: And since I'm 9 points above average, I'm even closer to the people deemed extra smart.

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              [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Yeah, but as I pointed out with my above chart, practically no one with 85 IQ is associated with abstract thinking.

              They are retards to me because they don't even begin to register the things I'm saying. Whereas I still understand someone who is 124 IQ because two scientists or two engineers can graduate from the same source or underwent the same training.

              It's like comparing the gulf between a 2 year old, an 18 year old and a 60 year old. An 18 year old would be better off understanding the boomer, vs the baby who can't even listen to a teenager.

              [–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I just realized something. He says his IQ score was 109. Hmm, where have I heard that number before? Lmao. He's probably trolling us.

              [–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

              Sure, I get mad and frustrated with the amount of stupid people in the world. If you are smarter than average, most of the world is dumb in comparison, and that can be incredibly frustrating.

              I'll grant that there are substantial IQ differences on a population level between Asians and African Americans, but I think there is more nuance to this, hear me out.

              You talk about forming nice lines for the bus - this sounds like you are talking about orderly behavior. I think Asian culture emphasizes this quality more than African American culture.

              If you took selected sub-populations where the Blacks were on average higher IQ than the Asians, I'd be willing to bet you would still find the Asians more orderly even with lower IQs.

              There is certainly genetic influences on intelligence, but I don't think IQ or genes alone can account for all of the societal differences between races

              I've known idiots and assholes, as well as decent and intelligent people from every race. There may be some correlations, but I don't like to paint in such broad strokes. What about Ashkenazi Jews? They have average IQ's of 115 (the highest of any ethnic group) Should we make them all our world leaders and allow nobody else to have a say who isnt Ashkenazi, even if theirs is say, 150?

              I'm not trying to anti-debate you here, or say racial differences dont exist, just trying to say theres more to this than genetic race alone

              [–]shilldetector 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

              There may be some correlations, but I don't like to paint in such broad strokes. What about Ashkenazi Jews? They have average IQ's of 115 (the highest of any ethnic group)

              This has been largely debunked many times. The 115 number comes from a tiny sample of Jews applying to some day school in the US in the 50s. When I say tiny I mean like 59 applicants or something stupid like that. The average ashkenazi IQ in modern day Israel is something like 103, and thats taken from a large and representative sample. Plus Jews tend to do well in those parts of IQ tests that are most highly affected by environment so they tend to pile up garbage points in shit like vocabulary and do poorly in those things which tend to be more innate like spatial ability.

              [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              The 115 number comes from a tiny sample of Jews applying to some day school in the US in the 50s.

              The same study shows Lutherans having an IQ of 112.

              [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              duly noted, shilldetector mentioned the dubiousness of this study as well. Yeah no way Lutherans have an IQ of 112. Is Lutheran even a genetically similar ethnic group? Lol, I thought it was a religion

              [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              Interesting, I'll admit to having read this statistic somewhere in passing, and can't remember the source, let alone attest to the study quality.

              What about the well attested overrepresentation of Ashkenazi Jews among Nobel Prize winning scientists, would you say this is due to cultural and economic factors? Just genuinely curious here.

              I gotta say I still have some issues with broad strokes though. If you removed all the Black people, who you suggest are 'the problem', you will undoubtedly remove some of them at the top of the Black IQ bell curve that are smarter than some of the Asians you did not get rid of. Are you advocating for an IQtocracy, or a RaceTocracy I guess is my question, because while correlated, they are not the same.

              [–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              What about the well attested overrepresentation of Ashkenazi Jews among Nobel Prize winning scientists, would you say this is due to cultural and economic factors? Just genuinely curious here.

              I think there are a variety of factors. Jews tend to be very ambitious, cross promote each other, and have generations of accumulated wealth to draw upon to ensure success. Plus Jewish culture does put a strong emphasis on academic achievement. They are good at identifying those that are gifted and helping them to succeed. I remember reading that during bar mitvah's Rabbis would interview the kid and kind of get an idea of if he was someone promising.

              There may have also been isolated pockets of far flung Jewish communities that achieved some measure of higher intelligence by accepting in promising goy converts, and there seems to be a sort of Jewish aristocracy or elite that may be more intelligent than the rank and file.

              If you removed all the Black people, who you suggest are 'the problem', you will undoubtedly remove some of them at the top of the Black IQ bell curve that are smarter than some of the Asians you did not get rid of. Are you advocating for an IQtocracy, or a RaceTocracy I guess is my question, because while correlated, they are not the same.

              Im not advocating for any of those things, but I cant speak for others. As for black people being 'the problem'. I dont think they are THE problem. Blacks from Africa that I've come across arent anywhere near as hostile and violent as those from the US, and many older African Americans dont have the hostility and dysfunction the younger ones have, because they werent raised to blame anything and everything on whitey. Jewish incitement and promotion of the worst of black America is what the problem is. It's bad for the country, bad for blacks themselves, and certainly bad for whites(although some alt righters love that it can help promote white identity, unite whites and will quite possibly result in an enough is enough breaking point one day). Anti white Jews have weaponized black dysfunction and disaffection to serve their own interests.

              [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I can understand these points. I'm not here to preach wokism, don't believe in that myself. I just find that sometimes discussions on race ignore some of these cultural, economic and other factors. I think we at least found some common ground there.

              [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              115 isn't even good lmao, and given their low population you could prob find more 140 iq whites than jews.

              [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              An average IQ of 115 is very good.

              [–]EuropeanAwakening14 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              I think these are basically the last set of liberal copes before accepting race realism. You're at the phase of desperately trying to find any way to salvage liberal racial egalitarianism. Not meant as an insult, BTW. Just a natural phase we go through.

              [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              You're not off the mark. I think I want to be able to justify my beliefs, and I want my beliefs to be consistent and without hypocrisy.

              I do reject the 'Wokism' being perpetrated by the left - this kind of belief leads to more racism. I wouldn't say I want to salvage 'racial egalitarianism', but I would admit to being defensive about my racial 'colorblindness'. I just don't take it into account.

              I realize we are at different ideological places - but I appreciate you guys making the effort to help me understand your point of view. I am sympathetic to the biodiversity arguments you make in favor of ethno-nationalism, I don't know that I'm in agreement, but see where you are coming from, and your position is more nuanced than 'because I am a bigot' which I assume the left would accuse you of.

              Anyways, my beliefs are flexible, and sometimes they change when I learn new things. I have enjoyed discussing them with you guys.

              [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              You're not alone. There are many people who wanted to make sense of race before taking on absolute ethno-nationalist views.

              I would recommend checking out American Renaissance. Jared Taylor is a 70 year old man who has a life long of experience talking about every faucet about race, in a very professional and moderate manner. He is also never afraid to debate these views in public, and does TV interviews when requested.

              https://www.bitchute.com/channel/amrenaissance/

              [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Thanks for the link, I'll give this a watch.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              Being a high IQ autiste I was well aware that most people are morons and liars since I was 11. The Bell Curve, Edward Dutton, J. Phillipe Rushton, Richard Lynn and that Japanese guy who's name I forget have simply confirmed and elaborated my basic impression. I was already a misanthropic pessimist and existential egoist who feels zero responsibility for other people or society, so no, it doesn't adversely affect me. I already don't talk to normies, whenever I get a normie response on the internet I instantly block them as there is no point talking to morons or even midwits. If your primary interests are intellectual and more focused on truth than narrative most people are just trash - unprincipled, ignorant, moral cowards who simply parasite off of people who are better than them.

              Something that Christians, especially Calvinists, were once at pains to stress but which is no longer considered polite in our egalitarian, non-judgmental herd societies is that most people are bad people. Normie conservatives, who send their children to government schools, are no exception to this. Indeed, their hypocrisy at avoiding personal responsibility and failing to properly protect their children makes them even worse than libtards in my eyes. At least the libtards are following their occult dogmas.

              [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              I completely agree.

              I really wish I was born with a much higher IQ so I could have jumped on the latest trends and have an influence.

              The biggest boat I missed was passing on Social Media. A man like PewdiePie commands his own army of 110 million followers while working from the comfort of his own bedroom.

              [–]Alan_Crowe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              There is a man-versus-nature story: drain swamps, irrigate deserts, cure diseases.

              And there is a man-versus-man story: fight, steal, cheat, subvert.

              Intelligence is multi-purpose. Does high IQ get you Switzerland or Lebanon? There is an extra quality, of being pro-social and cooperative. Call it team spirit. Whether increasing IQ makes a society better or worse depends on the level of team spirit. With little team spirit, high IQ leads to more devious betrayal, and more accurately timed back stabbing. With high levels of team spirit, high IQ boosts cooperation because people see better how to do it, and counters the problems of too much team spirit (group think, purity spirals, doing it our way rather than a good way)

              [–]Alan_Crowe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              There is a better word/phrase than team spirit : Asabiyyah