When doesn't Central and Eastern Europe form their own union to combat Russia and the West?

submitted by JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist from self.debatealtright

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[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The idea is a political dead end. Weaker powers gravitate around stronger ones - they don't unite against them unless they are compelled to do so by external factors.

In case you are including Germany in this hypothetical union, though, it should be noted that the Germans did try to create their own empire in eastern Europe during the first and second world wars. They did not succeed, so we ended up with the EU and the Warsaw Pact.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

compelled to do so by external factors.

Russian aggression in the East and American cultural imperialism along with EU forcing them to abide by modern liberal values they reject should be enough to compel them to form their own geopolitical bloc.

Unless East Germany plans on separating again then no I am definitely not including Germany in the union.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The much greater threat of actual warfare in the 30s and 40s failed to produce any effective cooperation, put aside unity, so I would not expect much. Not unless the Americans themselves choose to sponsor and promote the idea of this new eastern European bloc, just like they did with the EU.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not unless the Americans themselves choose to sponsor and promote the idea of this new eastern European bloc, just like they did with the EU.

Yeah this is the shot, there will without a doubt be the separation of EU into northern-western and southern-eastern blocs, first represented by neoliberalism defending the status quo and second represented by zio-conservatism which opposes the northwest nominally but cooperates on most levels (we can see this forming already by looking at Višegrad Group, Intermarium, or similar projects).