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[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't matter what you want Communism to mean or even what Marx wrote, the fact is the entire Communist cult is either a nonwhite who embraces leftism as a form of racial nationalism to attack the West/white people or they are degenerate white people who hate their own civilization and nation and want to destroy it for out-groups.

I hate leftism not in defense of capitalism but in defensive of socialism which has been corrupted by these people. Any good that can come from communism in regards to combating capitalism can be down without taking up the banner of those who openly declare their hatred for the West.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

Oh look it's the multiple-times-banned braindead ironybro nazbol that has never researched fascism/ns or communism and just repeats stupid shit he saw on twitter

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

What I really don't understand is why anyone would want to troll a forum with ten guys in it. It seems completely pointless.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

NazBols tend to have this weird autistic annoying kid personality type. The dumb kid, who is nerdy, and completely lacks self awareness, these mfers seem to be every NazBol I've ever seen

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've seen a couple of serious ones, but generally the non-Russian NazBols (and some of the Russian ones as well) are basically just leftists. It's not that I reject the idea of pluralism on principle, but many NazBols take it really far. National Bolshevism also seems to attract a lot of guys who just want to make their own weird ideologies.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've never seen a nazbol who wasn't just racist democrat lol, it's especially fun to ask them what they mean when they say they're for ML economics, every single time I did so they didn't know what to answer. As Mark said, it's the weird autistic strain of people who just memorize facts their ideology without actually knowing and feeling it.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think for most of them, the socialism stuff is more of an aesthetic - to them, the appeal seems to be NazBol ideas about "pluralism" and progressive social politics, social liberalism etc. A good number of them aren't even racist but will still affirm racism as a policy - I am not really sure why.

[–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

He's not a real nazbol, whatever that even is. He's some troll. Likely the same one/s that has multiple names and periodically trolls here.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yes. Noloben, Courbeaux, SkovoT etc, obviously the same weird and autistic zoomer.

[–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

I thought those were simply salos alts. I still think it's highly possible, if not even likely, that almost all these troll alts, from radicalcentrist to nasser to this one, are the same stupid motherfucker, blork3d from reddit.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I used to defend myself but now days this schizo paranoia is funny.

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They accuse pretty much anyone of being Salos or Blork these days, best to ignore it unless one of the mods starts drinking that coolaid.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Blork is me but Salos is not. The moderators have known I'm Blork for over 2 years. They let me debate here partially because I don't pretend to share their political views like Salos and Radicalcentrist does.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

you're also not dishonest anymore, you were annoying when you were a druggie troll. i hope you're not still fucking yourself up with that shit bud

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't know why they think Salos is you, Nasser does seem Salos-like though.

[–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think its because on reddit blork3d was caught responding to his own alts on other alt rightish subs. Blork3d was his straight shitlib alt and the others were phoney alt right alts and he would pretend to debate them. Ask him about soretitan. Someone using the name Salos commented on a few of these same posts. Not likely to be a coincidence. Soylent also said he invited salos to this saidit sub if I remember right.

Add that to all these stupid similiar troll alts that keep popping up on this sub and it seems likely to me they are the same person. Dont know it for sure, but if I had to guess I would say they are. Also, look at how many times nasser(salos) comments on radicalcentrist posts and vice versa.

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's almost like he's one of the most frequent posters on this forum, with most of my comments being questions or challenges to his points.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Soylent also said he invited salos to this saidit sub if I remember right.

This absolutely never happened. Take your meds.

Blork3d was his straight shitlib alt

Blork3D was always my main account on Reddit, I never had an alt which was or related to Salos.

[–]HeWhoGlows[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I actually copied this from a thread I saw on /pol/. The retarded faggots on /pol/ could not give a proper refutation and just acted like subhuman spergs so I wanted to see what people here would think.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Well yeah, pol is just jews and feds, why would any of them know anything about anything except protecting jewish power?

Here are a few books that show the 'fascism is capitalism' stuff is just jewish cope

  • Adam Tooze: Wages of Destruction

  • Guillebaud: The Economic Recovery Of Germany 1933-1938

  • Guillebaud: Social Policy Of Nazi Germany

  • Avraham Barkai: Nazi Economics: Ideology, Theory, and Policy

  • Noakes & Pridham: Nazism 1919-1945, vol. 2: State, Economy, and Society

  • J.E. Farquharson: The Plough and the Swastika: The NSDAP and Agriculture in Germany, 1928-45

  • R.J. Overy: The Nazi Economic Recovery: 1932-1938

  • Henry Ashby Turner, Jr: Big Business and the Rise of Hitler

More resources, videos and such.

ARPLAN blog has a lot of good resources

Zoltan's blog has many posts about economics of fascism

Keith Woods' video 'Is Fascism Capitalism in Decay?'

Cultured Thug's video 'Is Fascism Capitalism in Decay?'

Cultured Thug's video 'The Nazi Economy'

Zoltan's video 'Is Fascism Capitalism in Decay?'

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

wasting time on an obvious jewish troll

Skrt fam, your post's high key lit but he fucking with you, on god lmfao. Cringe af, no cap.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

only took like 30 seconds to copy paste this shit i already have saved😎👍

[–]Schlomo_GaschambergRabbi Schlomo Auschwitzstein Gaschamberg 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is, by far, the dumbest motherfucking post I've ever seen on here in the two years or so that this subsaidit has been going. Mostly because, unlike the other contenders, you aren't even trolling.

Firstly, presumably you're talking about 'tankies' and not the likes of the CPUSA who are even more stupid. That means I'd be on the same 'side' as Jackson Hinkle, Infrared Haz and Caleb Maupin, all of whom are insufferable, moronic and even more fringe than the 'Dissident Right'. Haz, for example, is a mentally-ill dipshit who—when he isn't screaming about some perceived enemy like Keith Woods—routinely screams at his own cult followers. He spews constant ahistorical nonsense. For instance, that Hoxha 'respected' Islam when Albania was one of the most militantly atheistic countries in the Soviet bloc, such that they destroyed all but three or so religious structures (of both the Muslim majority and the Christian minority) in the whole country. Or that East Germany, which started the 'Holocaustianity' quasi-religion far earlier than West Germany, was laughably 'conservative'.

The first four paragraphs are simply economic reductionist nonsense. I couldn't care less about some abstract Marxist conception of 'imperialism', one which hasn't even led to new wars in many years, 'bad healthcare', or a lack of industry in some third-world, socially radical, shithole country. They aren't even in my top ten list of issues.

Paragraph Five: I categorically reject the notion that there are any problems inherent to any sufficiently nationalized form of capitalism.

Firstly, capitalism and socialism both tend towards globalization, e.g. the 'world socialist state' under Marxism. Capitalism-globalism against socialism-nationalism is simply a false dichotomy.

Secondly, the solution to globalization is a totalitarian state whose authority is vast enough to never be weaker within its own borders than any rival entity. American globalization can clearly be stopped through a combination of the willpower (i.e. the right ideology, which cannot be a materialist ideology like liberalism nor Marxism) and actual state power.

America likely already has the latter given that the amount of 'red tape' on business—unbeknownst to those who wrongly think that America is dogmatically free-market (see, for example, this graphic https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Most_protectionist_countries_in_the_world_2013.png which shows that America is actually moving away from the free-market at a rapid pace, with more protectionist measures being enacted even than in supposedly state socialist or state capitalist Red China during the same time period)—grows faster there than in almost every other country. That just means that America has the wrong ideology to reel in capitalism's excesses and unwanted side effects, to which M-L (which is even more materialistic) is no improvement.

Paragraph Seven: Firstly, capitalists were clearly subordinate to the state in NatSoc Germany.

Secondly, there is no absolutely zero proof for capitalist support for the NSDAP before they took power.

Thirdly, you're unfairly comparing the well tried and tested Bolshevik-Leninism to an ideology that Bolshevik-Leninism teamed up with the same liberalism it purports to be against to destroy. Marxism in its myriad forms is simply a mutated branch of liberalism, and is in no way whatsoever its antithesis, au contraire, it tries to realize liberal ideals, particularly of equality, to a greater extent than liberalism itself.

Fourthly, wealth inequality in the USSR and in China was/is far higher than in America, hence the writing on what has been termed the 'New Class'—i.e. the 'privileged bureaucracy'. The only counterargument that can be given for this is the worthless 'no true socialism' argument.

The 'only option' is a counter-revolution against late-modernity—which fascism did not go far enough to realize, having compromised too greatly with it—and not to continue on the path of the revolutions that began long ago, paths on which M-L would only be supplanted by even more degenerate ideologies like those of the 'post-Left'.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

https://www.iltempo.it/politica/2022/08/01/news/elezioni-politiche-2022-marco-rizzo-attacca-giorgia-meloni-sovranismo-cartone-mario-draghi-32614427/

What happened is basically that the Italian communists turned heavily nationalists, putting themselves to the right of FdI, which is widely recognized as a fascist party (I'm not taking in account the American left wing definition of fascism because it's totally meaningless).

So I agree with you, communism is not anti white. But that's because historical happenings removed the anti-traditional and anti-national elements of the communism, leaving a core of economics and politics which merges pretty well with ethnonationalism

Edit: also fascism was from in his inception anti-capitalist and basically socialist, read http://bibliotecafascista.blogspot.com/2012/03/the-manifesto-of-verona-1943.html?m=1 (unfortunately, not English wiki page for this one, there's the Italian version thought)

[–]HeWhoGlows[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Holy fuck this is based. They are openly calling out the (((fascists))) for being russophobic nato/israel cock sucking scum, which they are. Communists are infinitely more based.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"based" means the absolute opposite of what communism stands for...

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Possibly. on the "street" level there are both cultural leftish so called "communists", which are in fact just social liberals, and what i tend to consider true communists, like the ones from the actual communist party and the good guys of Patria Socialista (Socialist Fatherland). They are kinda trying to make some overture to the right wing "street" base like, on individual level, but nothing official. The ones i met i reguarded them as highly compatible with my belief system and my goals, and i assume that they liked me also since we're still in contact. But they don't have a big party to advance their platform, so we're still better with FdI for the times being. At least we will get bigger army and less immigrants.

[–]HeWhoGlows[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How does FdI differ from George W. Bush era American Neocons in any meaningful way? They are fanatically Atlanticist, pro-Israel and support neoliberal economics, while upholding Christian conservatism and using pseudo-patriotic rhetoric. That is exactly like Bush era American GOP. They may be a bit tougher on immigration but only because immigrants in Italy are mostly Muslim, who for some obvious (((reasons))) it is more acceptable to criticize than non-Muslim immigrants.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The party has an open tradition linked directly to the national fascist party. Most of his active base is explicitely fascist. Also they support protectionism and welfare state, whihc is the opposite of neoliberalism. Meloni is indeed extremly pro-nato and probably a good chunck of the rest of the party but eh, whatever. It's not like italy can actually exit from NATO tomorrow - except from the economic consequences, we don't have the military power to provide our own defense. So for now i'm fine if i will get a bigger army.

also, my expectations from politics in general are extremly low, so in my opinion FdI is worth even they just manage to not change the citizienship law and to reduce immigration.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Communism has always worked well with nationalism, it just reduces nationalism to one of its many tools to control the population. It is possible to work with leftist nationalism, but it's a difficult, risky and intellectually challenging task.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think is going to happen anyway. Communism, as much as fascism in his historical form, is a spent force. We need - and must - build up on more radical propositions, meaning that we must return to the roots of our claims and to build from there. Nationalism, traditionalism, (non marxist) socialism, so to speak. But in everyday life the people who are heavily involved in radical politics are going to prefer to call themselves with names like fascist and communist just because those are historically successful attempts and are highly regarded as such.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Personally, I am leaning most towards Traditionalism. Unfortunately, most political activity today seems limited to a very basic level, regardless of its actual position - be it nationalist, right-populist, traditionalist, leftist, etc. On the other hand, the ruling elite and their liberal-democratic ideology are similarly incoherent.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    No "in Minecraft" posting. "Purge" would be an acceptable alternative.

    [–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    So turning USA into USSR is supposed to solve all problems for white Americans?