"x lasted longer than the Confederacy"

submitted by Fonched from self.debatealtright

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This is a common argument used against Confederate iconography, that since the nation lasted only four years, it is insignificant to anyone's culture or heritage. Any thoughts on it, or fallacies you notice?

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[–]NeoRail 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The Confederacy is not a nation, it is a state, and to be more specific it is the only state in the history of the world to belong to the Dixie people. Dixies did not suddenly come into existence for the American Civil War and then disappear right after. They've been living on their land for centuries.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I could see iconography like the Rebel Jack signifying the vast majority of the South's history, but what would you say about honoring the government/military figures that are associated with the sovereign Confederacy, since they were in action for only four years?

Then again I find it puzzling that hardly anybody in the South regarded by the post's logic until the Civil Rights era, much less in the past decade.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I could see iconography like the Rebel Jack signifying the vast majority of the South's history, but what would you say about honoring the government/military figures that are associated with the sovereign Confederacy, since they were in action for only four years?

So was Abraham Lincoln?

Then again I find it puzzling that hardly anybody in the South regarded by the post's logic until the Civil Rights era, much less in the past decade.

I have no idea what this means.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So was Abraham Lincoln?

Agreed.

I have no idea what this means.

Essentially, that anyone who would be pro-Confederate heritage would have changed their mind after the Civil War was over, and therefore been rational according to the Facebook post.

[–]oligarchracy 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Why do you make posts like this salos? Do you have some hardon for the confederacy? This is the problem with you. You're a disingenuous asshole who pretends to care about things you oppose.

Also, why do you pretend to be a british actress, what kind of mental illness do you have?

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

This is not Salos, it's a totally different person and a shill who's been around for a long time.

[–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

How do you know? His post history is one year old. Salos has been here since the reddit ban over 2 years ago. They both have the exact same kind of posts and comments. Usually its so and so on reddit says this, or what do you think of this liberal's comments, or what do you think of this. He also does the salos thing where he says 'some would say that..." or 'I hear the argument made that', in which he basically gives the shitlib viewpoint but frames it as not his own personal view. There are other numerous more subtle similarities like the impression that either english is their second language or they are just kind of stupid(or intentionally pretend to be stupid) thats kind of a characteristic of salos. The arguments, always framed as something liberals are saying, are moronically simplistic, even child like. Yeah I get that most liberals use dumbed down jew rhetoric that makes them look stupid, but he seems completely incapable of deviating from the talking points.

So yeah, odds are he's salos.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How do you know? His post history is one year old. Salos has been here since the reddit ban over 2 years ago. They both have the exact same kind of posts and comments.

They don't. This guy has his own distinctive style of shilling, he's nothing like Salos. You seem to know what the distinctive traits of this guy's posts are, but I am not sure why you seem to associate them with Salos as well. Salos never made posts like this, and Salos always had his own opinion about the things he posted. This guy never has an opinion of his own. Whenever he makes an argument, it's always on behalf of someone else. Perhaps you could say that there are some superficial similarities between this type of posts and Nasser's posts (who is also not Salos, it should be noted), but in my opinion, they are merely superficial.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So I'm on your side here. I don't know if fonched is salos, but fonched has been caught pushing pro-fag and pro-nigger propaganda while pretending to be our guy. Him and radicalfag seem to be top shills.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What would imply that being leftist is my true political position? I want to say that I have merely been posting these sources for examination purposes and following along with each possible question they may have. Attaining alt-right conclusions elswehere, especially wherever the propaganda may be shared is more difficult since the number of leftists far outweighs right-wingers and one may encounter the reporting/"don't debate fash" crowd.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You're not that slick. Salos and I agreed to a truce, so I don't think you are salos, but your shilling is obvious because you dont understand our positions well at all. You are pretending, like radicalfag.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As for any ways I might have posted actual alt-right content, these are on points I am firm about, but I don't do much since I am still in the learning process.

I have been around for a number of years before going through some of my beliefs, but there are new discoveries I have been making here and there on DAR.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Fascinating! Welcome brother and shalom.

[–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hate to break it to you, but salos appears to have broken the truce.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'm not pushing any opinion on anybody or just blankly stating left-wing takes. I make such posts, because whenever I trawl around and see such a rebuttal to our beliefs, I might not immediately know the answer and responses from us may be hard to find elsewhere. Therefore I go on here to ask you simply if you'd have such an answer. I think this may help us all because it reinforces what we believe in. We have had many threads before that are of a similar format.

[–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

because whenever I trawl around and see such a rebuttal to our beliefs

this may help us all because it reinforces what we believe in

There you go again, being disingenuous. You are totally salos lol. You cant hide yourself and im not even sure you are really trying.

This isn't about you though, its about some puzzling behavior by the mods of this sub.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am going to admit that I made a gaffe regarding "we". You may have belieefs that are diverse, and I'm not tying my current ideas down to yours. I'm just here to learn for myself and for anyone else who wants to partake in it. I don't mean any harm for anyone and while it won't be the absolute win for the AR, I think having more intellectuals on our side as I seek to refute some of these leftist ideas and doing this in general would help some of the way. These "what do you think of x" posts are like when you first were redpilled and you began to think otherwise about mainstream beliefs.

Salos sounded quite committed to certain left-wing takes, whereas I have taken a more "exploratory" approach as I bring up others' talking points for anyone to analyze. So call me whatever, but I just want a rational way through this and I do not mean to interrupt anyone's experience on here.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am sorry, but I don't believe that at all. Assuming that you are actually telling the truth, you must either be very lazy, since you apparently can't be bothered to refute basic leftist talking points yourself, or you must be the most self-critical man on the planet. The much more rational explanation is that you are some kind of shill. I have never seen you make any positive claim or statement - whenever you post, it's always about what "some people argue". You never reveal what your own views are actually like. To me, it looks like you present your views as those of "some people" because you don't want to stand behind your own arguments. I don't know what benefit there could possible be in doing something like that, but it does not really concern me either way.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ok, I concede on this. Though sometimes it may be difficult to find rebuttals since most of the normieweb will only provide 'safe' answers, and certain topics (LGBT science, some of these new leftist talking points like above etc.) are not often refuted on here, or even in the 4chan backlog. I may see some new positions or discoveries that I myself have not made before. I would not mind a special place for those who are asking questions about politics but one thing is that I will not pretend I am set on one ideology.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

On the contrary, it looks to me like you are already set on an ideology, but are unwilling to admit it. With that said, the reason why there are no detailed refutation of leftist ideology here is because doing something like that would be very high effort and very low reward since the community has been totally deplatformed. Refutation is also frankly not worth the time, since most types of leftist ideology today are either self-contradictory or based on obviously flawed premises.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm going to say that some of these refutations could work in a smaller scale, slipped through the censor cracks, or whenever any leftists are content with debating the alt-right. Also the last sentence of yours works for the 'basic' memes, admittedly like the one that comprises this thread.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, it's true for everything. Even the most elaborate theories collapse immediately if they rest on false premises, and these are a universal feature of leftist ideology.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The nation that is white southerners has existed for hundreds of years and exists today. Their 5-year stint attempting soverignty failed, but its images and emblems are a lasting symbol of their legacy