How jewish-controlled were the Spanish and Portuguese empires and the Conquistadores?

submitted by MarkimusNational Socialist from self.debatealtright

I am wondering this due to the level of iconoclasm they practiced in the New World. It's not really a white instinct to destroy things sacred to others, in fact we usually will take books and keep them in libraries, artefacts in our museums, attempt to record oral histories of other cultures in written record etc. I find the behaviour of the Conquistadores quite bizarre and out of place.

With that being said, pagang often cite how Christians were iconoclastic in Europe where they destroyed sacred trees and groves, temples which they built on top of etc so perhaps the Conquistadores were just rabidly zealous in their Christianity with no jewish influence. I am suspicious of jewish influence though to be honest considering most iconoclasm I see tends to be from jewish-controlled groups like ISIS.

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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the iconoclasm mostly came from their fanatical Catholicism. I highly doubt their empire was controlled by Jews because Isabella of Castile -- who pretty much started their global empire -- kicked them out of Spain. You can of course make the argument that Christianity itself is Jewish poison, but that's another conversation.

By the way, fundamentalist Muslims have always practiced iconoclasm. You don't need Jews for that.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Another example of white iconoclasm is Alexander the Great's decision to burn Persepolis to the ground. It was an act of revenge, but iconoclasm is iconoclasm.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Alexander was also a cosmopolitan, typical soulless libtard smh

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol!

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Haha is this tongue in cheek or for real?

How can Alexander represent anything but European excellence in the face of massive adversity? The man took the army of a tiny little kingdom smaller than Belgium & conquered the known world. Disagree all you like with his policies but no libtard could achieve that…

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Haha is this tongue in cheek

Yes, obviously lol

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh good, you had me seriously triggered there Markimus

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Worst Iconoclasm was done by Christians in the late Roman Empire against the old pagan temples and monuments.

The jew sucker St. Augistine of Hippo personally led a campaign of destruction against the pagan heritage of Carthage.

Then there was a violent wave of iconoclasm in the Byzantine Empire against Greek pagan heritage.

Jokes on them. Constantinopole is now in the hands of Turks while the Pantheon is in the hands of the Greeks.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Brazil had the largest amount of African slaves and was one of the last countries to officially outlaw it. The rest of the new world was also heavily race mixed by the Spanish and Portuguese.

Oddly, the colonies they held in Africa was much more White Nationalist. Portugal was the best ally that Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa had, and they fought against Communism. I also never heard any stories of mass race-mixing, like what happened in Brazil/Mexico.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It would be interesting to know what proportion of colonists in Portoguese Angola/Mozambique were female. The lack of white women was the main driver of race mixing in the new world.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the religious zeal is part of it, but we must remember a few other factors as well. The major economic component of colonizing the New World essentially demanded the Spaniards enslave the natives, which they did, and leaving the vestiges of their empires and pagan symbols was unnecessary, if not outright harmful, to such a goal.

It should also be noted that at this time in history, looting and pillaging was an accepted part of warfare, and was a significant chunk of how armies kept fed and supplied, as well as being a vital way in which soldiers secured a profit from going to war, and that is when we're talking about inter-European conflict when both sides are White and Christian; against pagans, especially ones of a different race, and even more especially when we take into account the horrific brutality the stone age savages of North and South America were (and are) capable of, it stands to reason that the Spaniards would not hold back in their destruction and pillaging.

really, there's not too much difference between this and what happened in Africa 200-300 years later, the main difference being that the conquest of Africa was much more recent and in a time where scientific documentation was considered more important.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm gonna make an unpopular statement and say that Jews weren't an issue at all.

DR has this tendency to comb through history for any Jews and they see one Jew lending money to some King in France in the 13th century and proclaiming that France was ZOG controlled in the 13th century as a result. As if there weren't thousands of Goy bankers even larger than Jews and as if Kings couldn't and didn't regularly simply seize money from bankers and merchants.

ZOG is a very modern phenomenon. Their influence became visible in the 19th century due to the expansion of international banking the slow entry of Jews in science and academia. But they were not a controlling factor in any empire. They were a powerful lobby just like how the arms lobby is a big lobby in the US today.

They became very influential in the 20th century not due to muh Rothschild central banking as some illiterate Christians and conspiritards like to bleat. They became so due to their mass entry into the universities, into government, law, media, and political activism.

No. WW1 and even WW2 were not Jewish doings. They were the result of geopolitical intrigues that DR posters will never like to admit.

Jews were both pro and anti war in ww1. In ww2, they were pro war for obvious reasons but that wasn't the deciding factor. Geography and geopolitics were. Jews were however a leading faction in the elites of anglo saxon countries.

Its after ww2 that Jews gained absolute due to their control of America. Anglo Saxon elites accepted the new internationalist, liberal consensus formed as a result of the war and swore off nationalism and imperialism. Jews used their passivity to start the cultural revolutions of the 50s and 60s that kicked WASPs out of power and firmly planted them in control of all institutions in America and the rest of the anglosphere and France. The rest of Europe fast followed.

It is no surprise that all the negative trends today: anti white hatred, immigration, LGBT, abortion, promiscuity, drugs, hatred of one's own history and globalism exploded onto the scene after ww2.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's very much true

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ZOG is a very modern phenomenon. Their influence became visible in the 19th century due to the expansion of international banking the slow entry of Jews in science and academia. But they were not a controlling factor in any empire. They were a powerful lobby just like how the arms lobby is a big lobby in the US today.

Did you forget about the Soviet Union? The first leader was Jewish, and there where many other Jews in powerful positions like Trotsky.

And the same Jewish Communists also tried to take over Germany right after WW1. Look at all the leaders of the Socialist side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%931919

They were absolutely a threat back then. Henry Ford published his own newspaper calling out their influence, as early as the 1920s again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. WW1 and even WW2 were not Jewish doings. They were the result of geopolitical intrigues that DR posters will never like to admit.

They didn't start WW1, but they had a major hand in perpetuating it to the ruinous end. The Jews were enticed by the Balfour Declaration, and used their influence to get America to declare war on Germany. The Jews also organized the Russian revolution, and the failed revolution in Germany.

They had a major role in starting WW2. The Jews launched a boycott against Nazi Germany in 1933, and then signed the Haavara agreement with them. They then doublecrossed the Germans and used all their influence to entrap them in various schemes. Most notably, they torpedoed the negotiations between Poland and Germany.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's an ambiguity regarding the nature of building churches on previously Pagan sacred grounds. Neopagans do indeed describe this as straightforward iconoclasm, while conspiracy aware sources such as Fritz Springmeier interpret this the other way around: it points to a hidden element in the power structure to whom these grounds were still sacred, and that's why they had the churches built on those spots. Rockefellers built on top of spots that were important to cannibalistic giants, and they're listed as an illuminati bloodline; this further supports the conspiratorial interpretation of the practice in general.

I don't have an answer to your question, I'm just emphasizing the ambiguity: even when something appears as Catholic iconoclasm on the surface, it could be a cover for the motivations of a hidden group.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cannibalistic giants? Illuminati bloodlines? In all honesty If you’re interested in politics nobody is going to take you seriously when you say things like that. Worse you’re harming white interests by association.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course there will be a bunch of Sephardic power in the Spanish Empire or whatever, but I mean stuff specifically pertaining to the Conquistadores. Like examples of some particular jews who were ordering/encouraging iconoclasm or something like this.

[–]RichtoffLud 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Particularly, I don't fully know the history of Portugal and Spain, but I know about the period of the Inquisition, and the behavior of the Jews (that the church condemned) in these countries was one of the reasons why this happened at the time. So much so that during the Inquisition, several Jews fled the Iberian Peninsula, and many went pirating in the Atlantic Ocean, were responsible for looting hundreds of Portuguese and Spanish caravels in the Caribbean Sea to the coast of Brazil. Another curiosity, one of these Jewish Pirates, named Moses Cohen Henriques, was responsible for building the first synagogue in South America, located in the state of Pernambuco, Brazil, "curiously" was the place that for a long time received more slaves from Africa.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not really a white instinct to destroy things sacred to others

Before the Dark Ages, most Europeans were barbarians.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The peninsular Spanish government kept the Jews in line for the most part. (This is probably why the Jews helped the Muslim invaders, which was, in turn, why Spain kicked the Jews out the moment they finished reconquering Iberia.) They did make up many of the New World settlers, probably including Columbus, because of the Inquisition.