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[–]Mr9to5 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t claim any special knowledge but I’ve never been particularly impressed by Jewish intelligence. For one thing, Ashkenazi Jews, which tend to be the most cited, are admixtured with Russians and Germans. When Ashkenazi intelligence is played up as some special Jewish trait, I’m always like “have you met the average German or Russian ex-pat?”

Most Jews I’ve known have never been particularly skilled at STEM and frankly aren’t even good debaters. They just kind of lazily float back to their own self-interest and are surprised I don’t just agree. For all the hostility at the right for the same thing, many are into “crank” science or social theories but their theories are far less likely. Many are sophists who can come up with very detailed ideas that’s component parts don’t actually add up logically. It’s almost as though their ancestors studied Talmud, a work with these characteristics, for thousands of years. Hmm.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

It is quite obvious that Jews have a higher IQ or at least a form of intelligence that predisposes them to success in intellectual fields. RW always want to deny this for some reason and claim Jews cheat their way to success which sounds like the type of copes non whites make for European success. Just because Jews disproportionally are prone to such success doesn't mean that their influence can't be criticized.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

How is it in any way obvious? Jews have their research funded by jews, goys don't. Any achievements, breakthroughs etc are a result of this dynamic. The awards for muh soyence are all run and funded by jews too.

Where were all the jewish geniuses throughout history before the modern age where they've dominated institutions through running finance? Why weren't they ahead of Europeans for the past 3000~ years if they're superior? Are we to believe they were secretly brilliant forever but they simply kept it a secret until they had power? This is the same logic as 'oh yeah trannies always existed, they were just too scared to come out before', no lol institutional conditions created the current scenario. Jews create NOTHING.

The only thing they have is an extreme amount of racial consciousness (in group preference, which materialises in the concept of the Kehillah), that's it. The average jew does more work politically, economically, socially, culturally etc to benefit their group than even the top 1% of active and organised nationalists do, and they have a ridiculous amount of finance backing them up. Our task is to build racial consciousness in our people to combat them just like the interwar nationalist movements did.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You could use this same excuse to deny your narrative. "If Jewish success in only due to in group loyalty then why haven't they dominated Europe the past 3000 years". First of all, Jewish genius developed among diaspora Jews, especially in Europe. It is common to see such things such as Iranian Parsi in India who are highly successful compared to the natives. They started to rise in Europe with modernity as they ventured out of their separate communities to participate in European political and cultural life.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Not following at all, I fail to see how a few individuals being smart means they are a superior race that rule us due to this. There's just nothing that points to that whatsoever, if they were they would have had great High Culture and civilisations forever.

Greatness would have followed them around the planet, like it did for aryans who founded many great cultures and states even with a few men. What follows jews around? That's right they just show up and parasitise already developed states, turn them degenerate, make everything ugly and genocide the people or lead to the fall of the state. What about that requires 'intelligence' and brilliance rather than simply scheming and sticking together?

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Who said anything about them being great or a superior race?

If you don't think it requires intelligence for them to have so much power and influence then why haven't blacks or Mexicans or any other minority group done the same? All nonwhites are collectivist with strong in group presence. Why don't muslims do it in Europe? In America the closest to achieving the success of Jews are Indians. Not surprisingly they are high IQ brahmin Indian immigrants because in order to excel in such institutions it takes intelligence.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Who said anything about them being great or a superior race?

You're the one who seems to believe jews are super geniuses that just outcompete everyone in the market

If you don't think it requires intelligence for them to have so much power and influence then why haven't blacks or Mexicans or any other minority group done the same?

Massive change of the goalposts. The claim of jewish IQ is that they're like 115+ on average, not that they're simply smarter than literal retards. I would estimate jewish IQ average to be in the 90s which makes sense since people most genetically similar to them have that kind of IQ. Ashkenazis are prolly closer to 100 due to mixture with Germans, there's no way there's an extra standard deviation that just appeared out of nowhere in the past century or so.

All nonwhites are collectivist with strong in group presence.

No they're not lol. Everyone who is smart and non-white leaves their country to pursue their own self-interest in the west. There's a few people like the rapper Akon and shit who will use the money they earned to develop their homeland; most the time they're just becoming tycoons/oligarchs at home rather than being folkish-socialist. The only race who are truly group-focused, rather than self-focused, are jews; it doesn't matter how poor or rich a jew is they all contribute to the collective jewish power through the Kehillah which is the foundation of jewish power. There is no one comparable to this except maybe the Amish and those kind of parallel society type people but they operate in completely different manners to jews.

Why don't muslims do it in Europe?

They lack the necessary level of racial consciousness and the necessary social technology/infrastructure to support the same kind of strategy jews use. If you magically swapped muslims and jews' cultures/social technologies around they absolutely would be dominating the planet and it would be much more of a problem than the jews due to numbers, IE they'd have quantitative domination as well as power through finance and such. An extra 5-10 iq points isn't responsible for the power disparity between muslims and jews. Thuletide, of all people, actually debunked jewish iq years ago; jews would need to have an insane iq average in order to outcompete whites due simply to the massive population difference, like over 120 or something.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I would estimate jewish IQ average to be in the 90s which makes sense since people most genetically similar to them have that kind of IQ. Ashkenazis are prolly closer to 100 due to mixture with Germans, there's no way there's an extra standard deviation that just appeared out of nowhere in the past century or so.

It's funny because the video made a dry joke about (92+100) / 2 = 115

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

quick mafs

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're the one who seems to believe jews are super geniuses that just outcompete everyone in the market

That has nothing to do with being great or superior in a meaningful way. Their success can be because they are smart while their influence is negative on a society. You focus too much on IQ. A person with a high IQ will be smart but it does not measure everything. That is why East Asians can have a higher average IQ than Europeans but not be as prone to genius or innovation as Europeans. Same can be said about Jewish success and intelligence, it is not exclusively about them having a higher IQ but the type of intelligence they have.

No they're not lol. Everyone who is smart and non-white leaves their country to pursue their own self-interest in the west.

Immigration doesn't make a group non collectivist. Immigrant groups don't live as individuals in their new lands, they form new communities within new lands. In fact one of the anti semitic Right's favorite authors Kevin Mcdonald wrote a book called "Individualism and the West Liberal Tradition" highlighting this unique aspect of the West, especially North Western Europeans, who have evolved less in group preference compared to the rest of the world.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Immigrant groups don't live as individuals in their new lands, they form new communities within new lands.

They work with their identity groups for their own self-interest, they don't sacrifice their self-interest for the group. They are not collectivist.

It is only jews who sacrifice their individual interest for the benefit of the jewish group.

[–]online_username 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The claim is that Jews apparently developed this super intelligence in a matter of several hundred years, at a time when natural selection no longer eliminated whole population groups that were unfit or lacking in certain abilities vital to thriving in their environment. This happened at a time when Jews were moving into areas that already had established societies and economies that didnt require anything be built or created from scratch. They apparently just became super smart in this short amount of time because the talmud required them to be literate and wealthy Jews had more kids(something which wouldn't be exclusive to Jews, and which doesn't seem to be the case in the pale of settlement and other areas where their population exploded despite being full of poverty and dysfunction). They didn't have a strict eugenics regimen, they just somehow kind of magically become so much smarter through higher rates of literacy and the success of some of them in certain niche areas that required literacy and the ability to charge interest-which was outlawed for christians.

This doesn't seem like it would create much of a lasting intelligence gap in such a short amount of time, and at the very least would only select for SOME cognitive abilities, while other vital abilities could atrophy or be rendered irrelevant because of the niche roles they filled in these societies.

You also keep repeating the claim that Jews have this substantially higher overall IQ when that very notion is questionable. Certainly SOME groups of Jews scored above average on IQ tests, but that proves absolutely nothing aside from the fact SOME Jews have above average verbal intelligence, which I don't think anyone denies. One could point out that Jews were also alleged to be feeble minded based on intelligent tests of immigrants and army recruits. So cherry picking isolated small IQ samples doesn't prove anything.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are we to believe they were secretly brilliant forever but they simply kept it a secret until they had power?

Devil's advocate, but this was sort of true for the two Koreas, and even China to some extent.

https://files.catbox.moe/fm89r7.png

Yet despite this, all 3 ethnic groups are still seen as very smart today.

Personally speaking, I also don't believe that Jews are genetically dumb. But circumstances like the U.S pouring billions of dollars into Israel and bombing their rivals, is what gives them a massive leg up. Take away the aid, and they would probably look like Ukraine or Russia.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That graph shows the effects of rapid industrialisation, that has absolutely nothing to do with High Culture.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where were all the jewish geniuses throughout history before the modern age where they've dominated institutions through running finance? Why weren't they ahead of Europeans for the past 3000~ years if they're superior?

Only Ashkenazi Jews became intellectually superior on average when they mixed with Europeans. Other Jews score below whites on average.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only Ashkenazi Jews became intellectually superior on average when they mixed with Europeans.

The video debunks this heavily

[–]online_username 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

RW always want to deny this for some reason and claim Jews cheat their way to success

Actually a large percentage of the right have supported the notion that Jews are intellectually superior, for various reasons. In fact my impression is that most right wingers start out with this view, but many of the more thoughtful and intelligent ones gradually change it once they look deeper into it.

Why do so many on the right embrace the notion of higher Jewish intelligence? For one it makes Jews seem more dangerous and scary and helps to explain their success in carrying out some of the conspiracies they've been accused of. Secondly, it helps bolster the argument that genes explain intelligence and behavior more than environment. Finally, among dedicated and pragmatic race realists who are worried about getting their message out, buttering up to Jews on the subject will help ensure the message gets out and shield them from attack(so long as Jews are placed at the top of the intelligence hierarchy).

which sounds like the type of copes non whites make for European success.

Not really. In the case of comparing whites to non whites, you are talking about many tens of thousands of years of divergent evolution in vastly different environments, in some cases possibly even hundreds of thousands of years. This is how natural selection gives rise to different traits, including cognitive abilities.

In addition to that, we now know that in some cases different human population groups not only had these tens of thousands of years of divergent evolution, but also bred with different archaic human species that themselves had even longer periods of divergent evolution. For instance DNA evidence shows that West Africans derive up to 20% of their DNA from an unidentified archaic human species whose DNA is not seen in any other human population, while Europeans and Asians derive up to 2% of their DNA from Neanderthals, an archaic human species of whose DNA is completely absent in most sub-saharan Africans. These recent discoveries only further bolster the possibility that different human populations could have dramatically different cognitive capabilities, and this is arguably what we see when looking at the technological and cultural achievements of these different population groups.

By contrast, when comparing Jews to Europeans, you are claiming a dramatic difference in cognitive abilities arising on a timescale of just hundreds of years, by people living in the same environment, owing exclusively to different cultural and religious emphasis, which somehow made one group intellectually superior, and that this was almost uniformly the case in every part of Europe this group scattered to, regardless of which Europeans this group derived most of their genes from, aka Slavs or Germanics or Southern Europeans. It doesn't really seem plausible, much less likely. Sure you could see SOME increases in SOME types of intelligence, but nothing as dramatic as one would see comparing groups that evolved separately for 200,000 years, and nothing that would give rise to global cognitive superiority, and nothing that would explain this group achieving little to nothing of note scientifically, technologically, or culturally until very recently. That's even BEFORE you look into comparing large and representative IQ scores, and look at what parts of these scores the groups you are comparing do well or poorly on(IE even in the limited and unrepresentative samples we have where Jews overall scored better, they still tended to do best on those segments of the test that are most influenced by environment, and poorest in those where environment clearly plays the least role). Once you look at actual large and representative samples, IE from Israel, Jews don't even appear to score ANY better, on ANYTHING.

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jews' intelligence has demonic support. So they may be less smart than most whites but when time comes to scheme enslavement and destruction of other peoples, they get "great" ideas.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you even watch the video? I feel like he debunked your arguments thoroughly.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I made this

There are slight differences actually. I give the (generous) estimate of 110, while pointing out this is insufficient and the conclusions are largely the same. Might be worth an in-depth review.

The video was so strikingly similar though i thought it was directly based on my post for a few minutes. He even mentions chess and nobel prizes, but this originally came from Richard Lynn either way

[–]online_username 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

110 does seem overly generous. Israeli ashkenazis score substantially lower, and that's a huge chunk of the global ashkenazi population. Also, since ww2 and the creation of Israel and globalization, intermixing between ashkenazi's and other allegedly below average IQ Jews seems to have increased dramatically, thereby logically lowering the percentages of Jews with high IQ's overall. Despite this, Jewish wealth, power and influence has only skyrocketed, which suggests there are factors other than intelligence driving this power and influence.