Why your beliefs about the holocaust is a lose lose situation.

submitted by jacques1102 from self.debatealtright

If the Holocaust happened and you support it,normal people will see you as evil and insane.However,if the Holocaust was a hoax then it makes hitler look weak and incompetent in that he couldn't bring himself to kill people that he believed wanted to kill the "white race"and rule the world.Also you're crazy if you believe that his 1000 year reich would last without europeans rebelling against nazi rule.Another thing is that the narrative is jews have been trying to genocide white people for over 2000 years but got kicked out 109 times or more.Clearly, it shows jews never give up and are willing to wait an extremely long time to move forward with their plans.They'll find a way back into europe and not make the same mistake hitler made by not killing them.Whether it's 100 or thousands of years after ww2.But like i said, no one supports genociding people that have nothing to do with bad jews including children.So no matter what you lose and should drop the blaming jews for everything bad happening.

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    [–]jacques1102[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    False comparison.If hitler truly wanted to save the world and europe, declaring war on european countries isn't it.Why not just get rid of jews in your country first then worry about war?Why declare war on countries that had nothing to do with jews?Why let them live if he believed they want to kill white people just like the russian revolution?Deporting them does nothing.Imagine trying to deport every mexican back to mexico?You think they wont come back without war?

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    If the Holocaust happened and you support it,normal people will see you as evil and insane.

    As they should. If I was a normie and I believed the Jewish lie about the 6 gorillion I'd certainly push back against some nutter advocating for genocide of another group of people. Randomly advocating for genocide of a seemingly innocent group of people is evil. Of course anyone with half a brain and a enough exposure eventually learns that Jews are far from the innocent picture they constantly paint for themselves.

    However,if the Holocaust was a hoax then it makes hitler look weak and incompetent in that he couldn't bring himself to kill people that he believed wanted to kill the "white race"and rule the world

    Hitler didn't believe all Jews wanted to kill the white race and rule the world. He believed their business, banking and political leaders did. Which is only a portion of a larger racial group. Hitler acknowledged that the Jewish and German people had already done some mingling which is why he created rules to allow some partial Jews to stay in Germany and become part of the German people if they showed loyalty. Hitler's solution was simply a divorce of the European and Jewish peoples. He saw Jewish leadership as parasitic and degenerate over the long term to the temperament and trust of European peoples. That's not a weak position. The compassionate moral position is to remove the parasite and let it live somewhere else in the hopes it will change and learn.

    [–]jacques1102[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    So then why deport all jews to another country if some had nothing to do with the banker cartel?That's like deporting all mexicans for the drug cartels.Secondly, this implies that there's good jews which means that jews weren't lying about the holocaust cause those jews weren't a part of the bankers.So why hate all jews and call them parasite and kikes for people that have nothing to do with the bad ones?As for your last part,if he knewed about them being kicked out 109 times, he would know they'd come back again years after he died.There's no way it would work because jews love playing the waiting game.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    So then why deport all jews to another country if some had nothing to do with the banker cartel?

    Hundreds of thousands of Jews stayed behind because they considered themselves Germans. Despite what you've been propagandized to believe many of the camps were shelters from warzones and angry locals pissed generally at Jews for the crimes of their banking and political relatives. Just because some innocent jews existed doesn't erase the crimes of their leadership. Regardless Germany was attempting to return the populace to a more germanic stock you can't do that with too many non Germans floating around.

    That's like deporting all mexicans for the drug cartels.

    Drug cartels don't use their fellow ethnics quite the same way the Jews do. Big Jews exploit little Jews and I'm fine with deporting a large portion of Hispanics for that very reason. Hispanic cartel members can blend in with larger Hispanic populations and commit crimes. Reduce the Hispanic population and you make that issue smaller. Reduce the number of Gypsies in your country and reduce the base of operation for Gypsy criminals. This isn't rocket science.

    Secondly, this implies that there's good jews which means that jews weren't lying about the holocaust cause

    Weird logic. So if there's some good Jews out there it means Jews didn't come together to fabricate and market the holocaust? That's absurd. There's a lot of benefit for Jewish exploitative industries to dress themselves up as the victim. It deflects from their crimes. The burden of proof lies on the person asserting the claim and not only do Jewish historians fall flat we can read about the Jewish marketing teams getting together in the 70's to solidify the mythos of the holocaust in the public's mind. Read The Holocaust Industry by Finkelstein.

    So why hate all jews and call them parasite and kikes for people that have nothing to do with the bad ones

    Stop getting all your information about dissidents from the ADL, Sitcoms, and GoyimTV Fed streams. The dissident view on Jews is more nuanced and historically grounded than you perceive.

    As for your last part,if he knewed about them being kicked out 109 times, he would know they'd come back again years after he died.

    That's why it's called the JQ. It's the Jewish question. What should we do about the constant multi generational Jewish meddling, scheming and manipulations? The Russian Tsar had the same issue; he attempted to give them land and ployshares and instead they sold them to get right back into exploitative lending. In fact quite a few great men in history have recognized this issue.

    https://ibb.co/4m827NS

    There's no way it would work because jews love playing the waiting game.

    He attempted to make the most logical and moral position he could. My gut tells me he hoped that if he built up his nation and his people strong enough that they would resist future Jewish incursions. Jews prey on your weaknesses. Get stronger both mentally and physically and the Jew is forced to find a weaker target. You get the Jews you deserve.

    There's no way it would work because jews love playing the waiting game.

    Germanic/Anglo people are faustian. They push out, explore, conceptualize, and constantly challenge boundaries. They are not a people content with slavery of any type. They will resist Jewish tyranny at all costs.

    [–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Weird logic. So if there's some good Jews out there it means Jews didn't come together to fabricate and market the holocaust? That's absurd. There's a lot of benefit for Jewish exploitative industries to dress themselves up as the victim. It deflects from their crimes. The burden of proof lies on the person asserting the claim and not only do Jewish historians fall flat we can read about the Jewish marketing teams getting together in the 70's to solidify the mythos of the holocaust in the pubic's mind. Read The Holocaust Industry by Finkelstein.

    But there were 700,000 witnesses.Are you suggesting they all planned on lying about the holocaust?What about general eisenhower who ordered the army to document the evidence?In order to believe the holocaust was a hoax is to believe thousands of people were in on a conspiracy.

    As for your last part,where's the evidence that hitler wanted to take the logical/moral position on jews?Even if he did, let me get this straight.Hitler was ok with killing fellow europeans over territory claims and a conspiracy that poland was killing germans in their country, but killing jews when they declared war on you, and have killed white christians in the russian revolution would be seen as immoral for hitler?Again, if he was smart he'd not declare war on europe, and delt with the jews in his country first then declare war.Unless you'll claim the jews controlled the allies and would declare war on germany for killing jews in their country(which would completely overplay their hand)then there's no reason to attack poland,and other countries.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    But there were 700,000 witnesses

    Have you watched any of the taped confessions of 'holocaust' survivors? Total bullshit. Constant lies and exaggerations. Additionally it's important to point out holocaust revisionism does not deny that Jews went to camps and in some cases were forced into camps. Holocaust revisionism does not deny that Hitler and his party wanted the bulk of Jews to leave Europe. Holocaust revisionism rejects the 6-11 million "Genocidal DEATH CAMP!" claims. This is clearly a marketing campaign to create a cover for modern Jewish schemes. Anytime people look into 'why' Hitler might not have liked the Jews their moral character is called into question and 'antisemitism' comes up. That is a tactic. That is a on purpose. That's all about social engineering and strategically amplifying victim-hood.

    There's a reason Jews used the number '6 million' for decades before the holocaust. There's a reason Patton was murdered as he was sending letters to his wife about his goals post war. There's a reason major world figures, presidents, and generals post war never mentioned the 'holocaust' in their memoirs. It simply didn't happen. A hundred thousand Jews (maybe 200k?) died from typhus and malnutrition caused by allied bombing of food and supply lines. There were some isolated carbon monoxide poisoning incidents and there were a few incidents of officers getting out of hand and mowing some Jews down with machine guns but that happens during major conflicts like world wars. There is no evidence of systemic genocide, especially not genocide through zyklon B which is difficult to use as poison. (unless you define genocide as pressuring an exploitative group to leave a region they specifically moved into to be exploitative). Side note: there's a video out there of 4 college students that sat in a small room with loads of zyklon B and they had not negative effects. Zyklon B was a delousing agent. It's the same stuff they used at the United States border on Mexican migrant farm workers.

    Are you suggesting they all planned on lying about the holocaust?

    Absolutely. Victimhood amplification is a known tactic Jews have used for hundreds of years. They talk about using this tactic in their own literature. They even talk about how they believe the Jewish people are uniquely predisposed to playing up the victim role. Look at German vilification and decades of the '6 million' number mentioned in print media to prime the public. They use the 'nudge' and 'priming' social engineering psychology just as ubiquitously today. In fact it's a lot more advanced and nuanced.

    What about general eisenhower who ordered the army to document the evidence?In order to believe the holocaust was a hoax is to believe thousands of people were in on a conspiracy.

    He documented deaths from malnutrition and typhus. It was a war zone. The camps were full of people that had been underfed for months, for some years. You're going to have a lot of dead bodies. If Eisenhower had found systemic 'gassing' why didn't he talk about it in his memoirs? The only people that really gassed people this century were communist Jewish commissars in Russian gassing their political opponents in custom designed trucks.

    where's the evidence that hitler wanted to take the logical/moral position on jews?

    Don't use the "PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT!" debate tactic on me. I'm not going to take my time to hunt down documents for you when you probably don't give a shit anyway. If you want to go down this path you're welcome to start reading on, https://holocausthandbooks.com/, https://codoh.com/library/ and unz.com

    Start here:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    If you can't wrap your head about Hitler being a moral person watch this

    https://odysee.com/@TheWizardsOfTheZoo:c/The-Greatest-Story-Never-Told:be

    Even if he did, let me get this straight.Hitler was ok with killing fellow europeans over territory claims

    It's regrettable that so many Europeans died in WWII but Hitler assumed the allies were going to follow centuries old rules of war that had been formalized in Europe to reduce civilian causalities. They did not. Churchill bombed civilians first. Furthermore, Europeans fighting with eachother is something that was quite common before Hitler and will continue to happen after Hitler. It's part of our Faustian nature.

    and a conspiracy that poland was killing germans in their country

    There's evidence that in parts of Poland (parts that had lots of ethnic Germans) Germans were getting poorly treated. The German public wanted that issue resolved.Hitler at his core was a populist; Hitler just did what the people wanted. Many Polish saw the German army as liberators. There's also lots of primary source evidence showing German troops treated the Poles far better than the Russian troops for what it's worth.

    but killing jews when they declared war on you, and have killed white christians in the russian revolution would be seen as immoral for hitler?

    I'm a little confused with your point here. If you want me to try to respond you're going to need to rewrite this.

    Again, if he was smart he'd not declare war on europe, and delt with the jews in his country first then declare war.

    Hitler didn't really want a war. Listen to his speeches in the 30's. He wanted a strong people and a fascist semi militarized populace but that's more of a politically Germanic thing. It wasn't to take over the world. It was a philosophy of staying strong and defensive in case other powers want to try to fuck up your shit. If you study European history that's not very shocking that a region of Europe would want to stay on guard and 'strong' in case another region wanted a war. Long story short: It's the central banking powers, Jew business community, and especially the Rothschild controlled alcoholic Churchill that wanted a war. Read Mein Kampf.

    Unless you'll claim the jews controlled the allies and would declare war on germany for killing jews in their country(which would completely overplay their hand)then there's no reason to attack poland,and other countries.

    Read this. I think you'll have a better understanding of WWI and WWII. (at the very least you will have an understanding of the 'dissident' perspective on the two wars).

    [–]jacques1102[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Have you watched any of the taped confessions of 'holocaust' survivors? Total bullshit. Constant lies and exaggerations. Additionally it's important to point out holocaust revisionism does not deny that Jews went to camps and in some cases were forced into camps. Holocaust revisionism does not deny that Hitler and his party wanted the bulk of Jews to leave Europe. Holocaust revisionism rejects the 6-11 million "Genocidal DEATH CAMP!" claims. This is clearly a marketing campaign to create a cover for modern Jewish schemes. Anytime people look into 'why' Hitler might not have liked the Jews their moral character is called into question and 'antisemitism' comes up. That is a tactic. That is a on purpose. That's all about social engineering and strategically amplifying victim-hood.

    This is a common tactic holocaust deniers do though.Take a few who've lied about being in the camps and then use them to claim everyone was lying.That's like using someone who lied about being there on 9/11 as proof that it never happened.Also i don't know of a single person that was called racist for asking why hitler disliked jews, only when it's used to prove a conspiracy where"hitler was the victim!Jews are all evil"excuse. Also what are you talking about no leader mentioned the holocaust?I just told you that Eisenhower ordered the documentation of the camps. https://newspapers.ushmm.org/events/eisenhower-asks-congress-and-press-to-witness-nazi-horrors
    As for zyklon B,it was pure hydrogen cyanide soaked on inert porous carrier. Death from inhalation of HCN fumes is not fast and not painful. It is essentially suffocation on cellular level. Victims would breathe but cells could not do anything. Blood would become oversaturated with oxygen, skin pink from oxyheamoglobin. They would loss consciousness in agony, screaming, writhing, urinating, defecating which was why the "shower" doors were thick - to make the murderers feel less exposed to the hell on the other side. Cerebral death from lack of oxygen would occur in few minutes as with other deaths. https://i.imgur.com/sv8QiBc.jpeg Also,so you believe that jews were gassing people in russia(despite no evidence of this) but the nazis couldn't of gassed people.Amazing As for your part about hitler assuming the allies were going to follow old rules of war, i have no idea what you're saying.Are you seriously suggesting hitler was that stupid and believe that they'd allow him to kill other europeans because of century old rules?What are you saying? Also if many poles saw the germans as liberators why do they hate nazis?Why were their poles who also said the holocaust happened as well? Also you contradicted yourself, you said hitler didn't want war but went to war with Poland because the german public wanted him to declare war and so he did?Yeah, hitler didn't want war and that's why he decided to peacefully invade several neutral european countries that weren't even on France and Britain's side. Lastly you claim to not believe my links because it's jewish propaganda but want me to watch a pro hitler propaganda movie The Greatest Story Never Told?Why should i believe it if it has it's own confirmation bias?

    [–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Take a few who've lied about being in the camps and then use them to claim everyone was lying.

    He's not simply talking about people who lied about being in the camps. He's talking about actual camp survivors who were caught lying. It's not a small number.

    Your description of death by cyanide gas is certainly horrible, and it makes you wonder how cyanide was used as a means of "humane" execution in the US for over half a century later, and is still a backup method in several states. Humans are some terrible creatures, and in the spirit of "whataboutism" one could also describe in graphic detail what the victims of carpet bombing, incendiary bombing and atomic bombings went through in equally horrible terms. Imagine what people in shelters full of children at Dresden and Hamburg went through as they were trapped underground being cooked alive. Survivors like Kurt Vonnegut described scenes that looked like something about of Pompeii, with carmelized corpses caught in agonizing death poses, clutching their children.

    The bolsheviks carried out some mind blowing shit in their day as well, all sorts of fatal torture, burying people alive, dropping them into vats of acid, pouring water over living people in public squares in the dead of the Russian winter and leaving their frozen corpses on display as a warning to others. It was your boy Trotsky, the "good bolshevik" who was in charge when all that went down. No one even knows how many German women were raped and beaten to death and executed by the Soviets at the end and directly after the war. In the spirit of never again, why aren't there countless Hollywood movies, school lessons, museums and memorials about those and so many other ww2 atrocities? You and I both know the answer to that one.

    Oh yeah, and since we're on the subject of cyanide poisoning, shortly after the war, a group of Jews from Israel attempted to murder 6 million German civilians with what I believe was cyanide. The only reason they weren't successful is the British caught them and put a stop to it at the last minute, and then let them go back to Israel. The British not only allegedly saved you from the Nazis, but they saved you from yourselves, and look at how you repaid them. None of them were tried for the greatest attempted mass murder in history, and in fact some went on to become prominent Israeli politicians and the leader is celebrated as a great poet. To this day they are still treated as "tortured" anti hero's out for rightous revenge in Jewish/Israeli media, and I believe there was even a recent docudrama that put them in a positive light. It's hard to take your claims of never again seriously when you treat people who were caught literally trying it again as heroes. I guess bringing that up is "whataboutism" too, amirite?

    [–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Your description of death by cyanide gas is certainly horrible, and it makes you wonder how cyanide was used as a means of "humane" execution in the US for over half a century later, and is still a backup method in several states. Humans are some terrible creatures, and in the spirit of "whataboutism" one could also describe in graphic detail what the victims of carpet bombing, incendiary bombing and atomic bombings went through in equally horrible terms. Imagine what people in shelters full of children at Dresden and Hamburg went through as they were trapped underground being cooked alive. Survivors like Kurt Vonnegut described scenes that looked like something about of Pompeii, with carmelized corpses caught in agonizing death poses, clutching their children.

    No one said that those atrocious weren't bad though.It was war shit happens.Also no where did the bolsheviks advocate for the genocide of the entire european white race.If true they'd kill every non jewish white person there.Also since you're claiming that jews lied about the shit they've seen, how do you know those germans aren't lying to try and paint themselves as the victims?Also i have no idea what you're referring with the jews attempting to murder 6 million germans with cyanide.What are you talking about?

    [–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Point is you guys work yourself up into this never ending holocaust frenzy, to the point you literally give your kids PTSD. Of course this obsession doesn't extend to any atrocities you yourselves committed or helped cause, not even ones happening NOW, much less 90 years ago.

    People are over it. Yeah sure the sheep will eat whatever you feed them, and opportunists will cash in on your holocaust obsession or go along to get along, but intellectually honest people are done with it. Time for you guys to either build a bridge and get over it, or for us to acknowledge you never will and this is just another example of your self worship and ethnic narcisissim and we have to protect ourselves and our societies from your neurosis and insatiable desire for revenge(even though most of us were on the side that saved your asses in ww2).

    [–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Most jewish people in real life don't bring up the holocaust or give their kids PTSD over it.It's funny that you're accusing me(even though i'm not jewish)of obsessing over an atrocity that happened 90 years ago and yet i've seen people like you still obsess and take pride with things that your ancestors may or may not of even done as if that speaks for you.Also, how many times do you keep bringing up stuff like the slave trade,holodomor,or any other atrocity to same how blame jews for it?As for your last part,i have no idea what you're talking about but intellectually honest people is a fancy way of saying"People who eat up nazi propaganda".

    [–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It simply didn't happen. A hundred thousand Jews (maybe 200k?) died from typhus and malnutrition caused by allied bombing of food and supply lines.

    Given the Nazis were going full Ghengis Khan on the Russians, it doesn't pass the bullshit test to say they would have declared Jews off limits to atrocities. Yes Jews have a proven track record of greatly exaggerating claims of persecution, before, during and after the war up to the present day, but it's naive to think the Nazis weren't ruthless enough to carry out some of the claims made against them. They had the means and motive.

    [–]oligarchracy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    "The Holocaust" happened in that large numbers of Jews died during WW2. Not nearly as many as Germans, Russians, Japanese, and Chinese, but surely many died, including by what amounted to flat out murder.

    What I would also say though is that we also know for certain a lot of the primarily Jewish claims regarding this event that were accepted on good faith turned out to be lies and exaggerations That is proven fact. For instance it wasn't anywhere near 4.5 million killed at Auschwitz. That is proven fact. Other wild ass claims I was raised to believe turned out to be largely bs as well.

    So the issue becomes this. When you lie continually, and when people catch you lying continually, people tend not to believe you. It's a classic case of the boy who cried wolf. If you've been caught lying repeatedly, any intellectually honest person would then have to take a second look at some of your other claims to ensure they weren't lies too, except with "The Holocaust" no one is allowed to do that, because if you do you're a nazi, a bigot, etc. We are expected to believe everything you claimed without any further examination, essentially forever.

    Now I could find 10 examples of shit Jews are lying about just by reading a daily news feed. I could just google the word Ukraine and find dozens of shit Jews are blatantly lying about right now. So watching them lie continually in real time, why the fuck would I just take their word for it about shit that happened 90 years ago that we already know they have been caught lying about, and which they have relentlessly used to guilt trip, enrich themselves, wage destructive murderous wars, and advance various agendas?

    [–]jacques1102[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    So you're admitting people died but it wasn't 6 million, but the other day i saw someone claim it was a hoax and the only people who died was the allies fault.Which is it?If were doing the lying game, what about the people lying about the 100 million communist deaths?Mao killed 64 million people in less time than the holocaust and there's no photo evidence of the bodies.Ask yourself how did mao hid 64 million bodies?But you wont claim american Christians are liars.Lastly, as far as Ukraine goes what lies?The war is happening in Ukraine and i thought putin was a jewish puppet as well?So are you trusting jewish controlled putin?

    [–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    So you're admitting people died but it wasn't 6 million, but the other day i saw someone claim it was a hoax and the only people who died was the allies fault.Which is it?

    I admit that I don't know for sure exactly what happened and precisely how many were killed and how they died. I'm honest about it. I certainly find it plausible that the Nazis intentionally killed large numbers of Jews and/or let them die, and every person who killed captive people should have been held responsible, as did happen in the case of the Germans. I have reasonable suspicions about the 6 million number though. I think that was most likely a propaganda number they arrived at and they have simply stuck to it because to do otherwise is to raise even more questions about the honesty and accuracy of many of the claims.

    Lastly, as far as Ukraine goes what lies?The war is happening in Ukraine and i thought putin was a jewish puppet as well?So are you trusting jewish controlled putin?

    Jesus christ if I were to list all the lies, exagerations and misinformation I would be here all day. Ghost of Kiev ring a bell? What about snake Island, what about the nuclear power plant we were continually told the Russians were shelling but turned out to be the Ukrainians, nordstream 2? Etc etc.

    If you want to continue to play stupid about Ukraine then how about the Iraq war? We KNOW Jewish neocons(who are back at it again in Ukraine) lied repeatedly about that war. Are you denying that? Who was held accountable for the hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths that war and the others the neocons caused in the middle east? Name one Jew tried for war crimes related to any of that. Meanwhile were busy hunting down some 97 year old German woman because she was a teenage secretary at a Nazi camp 80 plus years ago.

    [–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                                                                                                                             Least you're honest about not knowing the numbers.As for your claim about the Ukraine war,i never said there weren't a few lies, but putin was the one who declared war,he's the one saying"We need to fight the nazis"(which i thought since people here supported them that it should raise eyebrows.)he also has been shown supporting jews and like i said since jews are liars why trust putin when he too is controlled by jews?

    [–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Putin invaded Ukraine after nearly 10 years of ethnic cleansing in eastern Ukraine that killed 14,000 people following the Victoria Nuland/cia coup in 2014. During that same time the newly installed Jewish led Ukrainian regime was systematically armed to the teeth by the US. By 2022 Ukraine had one of the largest armies in the world. Once Zelensky was installed as president he repeatedly and needlessly crossed every well known red line Russia had set out in explicit language, culminating in his rhetoric about going nuclear and launching a nuclear first strike against Russia, that not coincidentally happened a week before the invasion. Zelensky is a dimwit but there's no reason he would have said that if he wasnt intentionally trying to cause an invasion as his neocon handlers hoped.

    Russia initially went in light because they thought they had enough contacts with people friendly in Ukraine to simply topple or contain the zelensky regime without much bloodshed, but it was a trap. US/Zelensky regime intel had already comprised lists of Ukrainians to round up and imprison/execute in the event of the invasion and the Zelensky regime put it into action the moment the Russians invaded and decimated pro Russian elements in the country and quickly made it clear to the populace that they would tow the nato line or face his paramilitary thugs. There was an epidemic of videos of allegedly pro Russian ukrainians or simply Ukrainians that werent anti Russian enough being, beaten, tied up and duct taped naked to poles while they were mocked, which propaganda outlets like reddit heavily promoted at the time.

    It has already been explained to you many times that Putin isnt completely controlled by Jews, which is why they want him gone. He is a pragmatist who understood Jewish power and was willing to deal with the devil when necessary, but he is careful never to be openly antagonistic to Jewish power while still doing what he could to limit it, and is well aware that the last few generations of Russians have been heavily inundated with anti Nazi propaganda and ww2 myths from the cradle to grave and such rhetoric still has power. Is Putin based and red pilled? No, he's a boomer who grew up with the same propaganda all Russians were, but he has also seen the grimey underbelly of international Jewish power in the looting of post Soviet Russia and it's clear he was not a fan and simply bided his time until he was powerful enough to do anything about it.

    [–]oligarchracy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Let me ask you this. Was dropping atomic bombs on civilian cities any less cruel than deporting them to camps and killing them? I mean both were horrible, but the US knew full well what radiation did to human beings, as they saw first hand the horrible deaths of scientists exposed to it, and yet they dropped the bombs anyway.

    If the war in Europe had dragged on they would have dropped those bombs on German cities too, I mean the Germans were who the bombs were originally intended for, hence the heavy Jewish involvement in the Manhattan project, and they were going to do this before anyone had even heard of gas chambers.

    [–]jacques1102[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    This is literally whataboutism.The allies liberated a total of 700,000 people from the concentration camps at the end of the war. Not a few people saying "hey, they were killing all of us," but 700 fucking thousand. What about the families of the 6 million deceased? Still around for the most part and can vouch that yup, the Germans killed our family member(s).

    [–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The allies liberated a total of 700,000 people from the concentration camps at the end of the war. Not a few people saying "hey, they were killing all of us," but 700 fucking thousand.

    But then that begs the question, if these were extermination camps and the Nazis were hell bent on exterminating all Jews, why were there so many survivors? It's a logical question. These people were in these camps for years. If someone is deprived of food and water they can die in weeks, if not days.

    The Russians took nearly 100,000 prisoners at Stalingrad, of those I think less than 6,000 survived the war. No elaborate gas chambers were required to get rid of them. How is it that these extermination camps had many hundreds of thousands of survivors who lived years, but almost no German POWs survived after Stalingrad? If your goal is to exterminate someone, what the Russians did to those German POWs is what you would expect to see.

    What about the families of the 6 million deceased? Still around for the most part and can vouch that yup, the Germans killed our family member(s).

    Well then it should be relatively easy to prove it was 6 million. Instead whenever I see how that number came about they talk about "census figures", which if you want to come up with an accurate number has numerous severely problematic issues. Why aren't census figures used to come up with a precise number of killed in the holodomor? Why is it if I looked at encyclopedias for every year since the holodmor I can find a dozen wildly different estimates of the number of killed, but the 6 million number has never been changed or revised. That's highly suspicious.

    [–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You do know we have a variety of sources that we've drawn on to come up with our estimate for the number of Holocaust victims, including records from Nazi Germany, its allies, Jewish communities, censuses and other government documents, and various documents and witness reports collected by the postwar investigative commissions? That said, it is still an estimate. 6 million is the round number used for public consumption, but scholars do give differing estimates, generally between 5.5 and 6 million.We have a very good idea of the numbers of people who were killed in the Nazi extermination camps and within the concentration camp system. The Germans kept detailed records on concentration camp prisoners, and documents like railroad waybills allow for fairly precise estimates of the number of people who were killed in the extermination camps as well. The six main extermination camps (Auschwitz-Birkenau, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka) is around 2.7 million. Another 150,000 Jews died in the Nazi concentration camp system, and we can be quite confident in those numbers. The figures for deaths within the Jewish ghettos established by the Nazis in Eastern Europe are a bit less certain, but we know at least 800,000 died. Yad Vashem has documented many of these people by name, and their list adds up to about 4.8 million people. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

    [–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Because of Jewish obsession with the 6 million number, no mainstream historian could ever cast doubt on the number, as Jews aggressively gatekeep such investigation and will destroy anyone who says otherwise. Seeing as how most of these historians were themselves Jewish they don't even have to threaten most of them. After the end of ww2 British intelligence estimated 4 million Jews died, and while I have no idea if that number is accurate, its one of the few unbiased estimates by people with first hand knowledge of the situation.

    I listened to David Cole talk at length about the issue, and this was after he had done everything possible to get the Jewish bounty off his head removed and was trying to point out that the hardcore Holocaust denialists were wrong, and he came up with a death toll of about 3.7 million, give or take several hundred thousand. He claimed that he believes the Nazis did experiment with gas chambers in a couple of camps, but that it is extremely unlikely gas was used for mass executions at auschwitz, and there is no hard evidence of that and much evidence that contradicts it. His take seems the most objective and plausible that I've seen. He has no real reason to lie and if anything has much reason to error on the side of exaggerating the Holocaust.

    A few years ago I did spend a little bit of time looking into how they arrived at the 6 million number. At the time I was generally accepting of the Holocaust narrative, including the 5-6 million number and had already heard of all the claims you just made, and I was setting out to convince alt righters to drop this holocaust denial shit, so I was expecting to see some pretty conclusive evidence. I was shocked by how little there was, despite all the usual claims that "the nazis kept meticulous records". In the end they really did have to fall back on inaccurate census claims because the nazii records wernt as precise, all encompasing and unanimous as you claim. It seemed like they basically set out to cherry pick what evidence they could find to support the preexisting 6 million claim. Obviously to retain some credibility they had to say well it could have been as low as 5.5 million, and I think it was Raul Hilberg who kind of covered their lowest acceptable numbers bases by going as low as 5.1 million. The Hilberg study was probably the most credible and extensive, and even then there were numerous glaring holes, assumptions, and leaps of logic that I immediately had questions that I never found any attempt at answering.

    The Vad Yashem names list isnt reliable. It has so many duplicate names and so many people on the list were found to actually be living, and the organization itself is so biased that no intellectually honest person would give it any creedence. Which is a shame because many people on the list likely did die as a direct result of Nazi atrocities.

    [–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The term "whataboutism" is some stupid manufactured shitlib term used by neocons/neolibs in an attempt to obscure jewish misbehavior. You see it from shills on reddit all the time, and hear neocons in the media use it non stop.

    So if for example some establishment neocon/libs are blathering on and on about how Russia invaded Ukraine, if you point out the US did worse to Iraq and numerous other middle east countries, or point out Israel routinely bombs neighbors and occupies Palestinians, they bring up this stupid nonsensical made up word whataboutism thinking that will somehow shut down all debate.

    So yeah I'm not surprised you'd use the term so you can blather on and on endlessly about the holocaust.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://sonofhel.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/racist-food.jpg?w=500

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    What if the holocaust is a giant fiction? An enormous exaggeration. Are my beliefs a lose-lose situation? This is essentially what David Duke says. Jews demand complete subservience to their dogma or you are pure evil in their eyes. I don't accept them.

    [–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Evidence?Cause we'd have to believe millions of people were in on a conspiracy.BTW if were asking that then what if the Holodomor was fiction?An enormous exaggeration from the pro tsar side?Lastly, like i said if the holocaust was fiction and hitler knew they wanted to genocide white people why didn't he order the killings out of self defense knowing they'd come back again for the 110th time?

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    millions of people were in on a conspiracy

    yes , conspiracies happen, especially when jews are involved

    [–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There is no way to really know if Leo Frank was guilty. The process was really damn problematic though and his post-mortem pardon was justified through that alone, guilty or not.

    In the end his guilt doesn't matter at all, because it has nothing to with him being Jewish or not. He was found guilty by a jury made up of 5 Jewish and 7 non-Jewish men.