How accurate are these 2023 IQ numbers for American ethnic groups?

submitted by 8thmonitor from self.debatealtright

https://humanvarieties.org/2023/05/27/iq-scores-by-ethnic-group-in-a-nationally-representative-sample-of-10-year-old-american-children/

I looked through it. I think there are many issues.

Issue 1: It says that a white American mixing with a Asian American results in higher IQ than average white IQ and average Asian IQ. That makes zero sense.

Filipino has average IQ of 103.53. White has average IQ of 100. But White & Filipino has average IQ of 105.07. For White & Asian Indian, it is the same thing. White & Asian Indian has average IQ of 109.62. Asian Indian is only 102.42. Huh?

Issue 2: How does Central & South American have an IQ of 94.7 when White Cuban have an IQ of 91.78? Don't Central & South Americans have less European genetics and more Amerindian genetics than White Cubans?

Issue 3: Shouldn't Indian-Americans have the highest IQ? Their median household income is the highest compared to other ethnic groups. Higher IQ means higher income. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Is there a better source? What do others think?

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[–]IslamofascistDeath to America, Death to Israel, Death to The Ukraine 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

High IQ is only a good thing in a moral and Godly civilization. In a filthy Satanic society like America, there is no benefit to having high IQ. People with exceptionally high IQ like Dr. Theodore Kaczynski and Terry Davis (the smartest programmer who ever lived) either go insane, become social recluses, or kill themselves. In a proper civilization, those people would be the next Isaac Newton, but that's not possible in a Satanic society like modern America.

Importing a bunch of Chinese and Indians with decently high IQs is a disaster, because these people will be used to perpetuate the Satanic system as a middling managerial class (though few, if any, will actually become part of the true elite). Since most Chinese and Indians are materialistic idol-worshipers, without any grounding in Abrahamic religion or morality, they are totally useless for any kind of real revolution. Instead, they will buttress the existing political system. It would be far better if America imported a bunch of Somalis instead, because a large population of Somalis will have an immensely destabilizing effect on America, and such people cannot be used to perpetuate the system. Instead, the system will have to stretch its resources to accommodate them. Thus, from the perspective of someone who wants the system to be destroyed, Asian immigration is the most dangerous precisely because of their higher IQs, and because it is most beneficial to the ruling elites.

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You forgot to mention the middle-eastern savages that also don't belong in any civilized society.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Damn. I never thought about it like that way. I always thought high-skilled immigration is better than low-skilled immigration because high-skilled people are not fiscal burdens and are not criminals.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On the other hand, high IQ immigrants don't have children.

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Issue 1: It says that a white American mixing with a Asian American results in higher IQ than average white IQ and average Asian IQ. That makes zero sense.

No, it makes sense. When mixing genetics, the blend will often have the best of both. For example, dog breeds: Breed a dog breed known to have weak eyes with a breed of dog known to have problems with their ears, and the hybrid will tend to have greatly decreased problems with BOTH eyes and ears.

Issue 2: How does Central & South American have an IQ of 94.7 when White Cuban have an IQ of 91.78? Don't Central & South Americans have less European genetics and more Amerindian genetics than White Cubans?

You seem to forget that South Americans still carry the genetics of the people who created the Macchu Picchu and pyramids, for example. Sure, their civilization has been destroyed, but they still carry those genes. Those guys knew about the structure of the solar system 1,500 years ago, long before white man. White Cubans are also in a communist regime, which seriously tamps down on mental development. Initiative is something that gets really hampered and discouraged in communism, which means that any individual drive for self-betterment is going to be severely curtailed. I think that would diminish IQ scores markedly.

Issue 3: Shouldn't Indian-Americans have the highest IQ? Their median household income is the highest compared to other ethnic groups. Higher IQ means higher income. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

They're CORRELATED but that doesn't mean there's a perfect relationship. Actually, past a certain level, IQ probably means less money as the mind is more interested in higher, more mental pursuits than purely material ones.

I think IQ is a good measure of intelligence, but an inadequate measure of the superiority of the white race. We are superior because we invent and create new science, new technology, even new paradigms. Nobody else does this. Even the high IQ Koreans and Japanese don't invent much at all. They are excellent at refining processes but not at developing new ones. Sadly this creative drive of the white race doesn't get captured in the IQ measurement, for it is a "data processing" measurement of mental capacity, rather than of capacity for CREATION.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Issue 1: What about when Korean & Japanese and White mix? It results in 106.65 IQ which is between Korean & Japanese 110.05 IQ and White 100 IQ.

Issue 2: Oh I get it. Thanks.

Issue 3: True. It is strange because Indian-American median income is so high. I expected them to have highest IQs.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Issue 3: True. It is strange because Indian-American median income is so high. I expected them to have highest IQs.

Given the average IQ for Indians overall is around 78, it'd make sense that the initial high IQ of Indian immigrants would regress to the mean over time. What's interesting is that second gen Indian-Americans tend to make significantly less money than their parents on average, which may suggest IQ already having peaked among this group.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It would make sense if the parents are high IQ. This means that it is high IQ whites who are race mixing with high IQ Asians. Or alternatively, that high IQ asians are the ones who have access to mixing with whites.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What about when Korean & Japanese and White mix? It results in 106.65 IQ which is between Korean & Japanese 110.05 IQ and White 100 IQ.

Could it be sampling issue? Maybe need at least 100 or more for each ethnicity?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

1) Sampling issue
2) Race mixing produces better offspring
3) Race mixing parents have higher average IQ than the average from either race of the parents
4) Race mixing parents create a unique IQ boosting environment

To me, 3 seems more likely, as we do have a selection process going on, which means the race mixed individual isn't a random selection, where we would expect to see the average of the races. We also see that black+white is the average, so it is something special going on with Whites and Asians specifically.

What's important to remember is that even though this White+Asian group has higher than average white IQ, that doesn't mean that this is beneficially necessarily in terms of IQ, because it could very well be that these Whites would've had even higher IQ children had they paired up with other high IQ whites.
It would require much more research into it to make any sort of conclusions

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh I think that makes sense. I think I saw data that people with graduate level degrees are more likely to race mix.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Without reading any of it: No, no they are not. IQ is good at measuring how well someone was educated in the white man's western schools, and how well they take tests. That's all.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

IQ is very effective in predicting success. It is not just test-taking skills.

Edit: also crime and many more important factors.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Self discipline is more important https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/practical-mindfulness/202107/the-one-factor-beats-iq-predicting-success

of course, these are moot points as neither discipline nor intelligence are passed to children in school for the last many years. It's all down to parenting, really. And if you have no father, you end up with fatherless behaviours. What race had its family culture completely destroyed by demoncrats in USA? That'd be the browns. What race has the most fatherless behaviours? Browns again. What race tests worse on white-man IQ tests? Browns again.

It all comes down to parenting.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

demoncrats

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Self discipline is strongly related with IQ. Fatherlessness is a massive problem, but IQ is more important. It is mostly low IQ people that lack the discipline to not pump out kids or not attack assault people.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

. . . because they are fatherless, and were not trained properly. This problem goes back literally a hundred years at least, and now society is witnessing the fruit of poisoned roots

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But IQ correlates better than fatherlessness for crime and education. Low IQ is why Sub-Saharan Africa is still terrible. Sub-Saharan Africa has high rates of fatherlessness.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Niggers in literally BFE can't do well on tests designed for white children in idaho

Imagine my shock

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

IQ tests are not designed for white kids in Idaho. It is designed for everyone.

Also I meant to say that Sub-Saharan Africa has LOW rates of fatherlessness

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=is+the+iq+test+culturally+biased&ia=web

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

IQ tests use pattern recognition and problem solving. You can't practice for IQ tests like Ravens Progressive Matrices. You don't know what you're talking about. IQ is 50 - 80 heritable and actually becomes more heritable as you age, which is the exact opposite of what we would see if it was just about environment or if envronment was the biggest factor. If it was just about environment as the most important factor, genes would play a smaller role the older you are. Instead, we see the opposite. Also, how do you explains twin studies and transracial adoption studies? You can't because you don't know what you're talking about. The IQs of the twin adoptees match their biological siblings who grew up in different environments, not their adoptive parents.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm a racist

Yeah I got that already thanks

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Libtard destroyed with facts and logic again. Bye now, the adults are talking.

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    [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Tell us your parents failed you but use different words

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Issue 3: Shouldn't Indian-Americans have the highest IQ?

    I can explain the Indians.

    It's multiple families living in the same house that inflate the numbers.

    You have an Indian Father and Mother who are Doctors, but then 12 kids who work at the Gas Station.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Nah it's just the standards for immigration getting lowered, plus a regression to the mean among the second gen. Went from 112 to 103 over the past 20 years.

    [–]Vel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    “It says that a white American mixing with a Asian American results in higher IQ than average white IQ and average Asian IQ. That makes zero sense.”

    Not necessarily. Hybrid vigor is a thing. But, then again, so is hybrid incompatibility and outbreeding depression. Both factors operate at the same time in all crosses. As I understand it, the question is which of the two factors outweighs the other, the greater the genetic distance between the two populations, the more likely it is that the negative effects will outweigh the positive.

    Since whites and Asians are genetically closer to one another than either is to, say, sub-Saharan Africans, it's possible hybrid vigor might outweigh the negative effects of hybrid incompatibility and outbreeding depression for biracial Eurasians but not for black-white or black-Asian mixes.

    [–]rayznack 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It says that a white American mixing with a Asian American results in higher IQ than average white IQ and average Asian IQ. That makes zero sense.

    This could be explained by whites and Asians who do inter-marry having higher IQ than their racial averages. In other words, maybe white guys marrying with Asians have higher IQ than the white male average?

    Issue 2: How does Central & South American have an IQ of 94.7 when White Cuban have an IQ of 91.78? Don't Central & South Americans have less European genetics and more Amerindian genetics than White Cubans?

    Maybe white Cubans on average aren't very bright and white Cubans in the US are less unrepresentative of white Cubans on average than south Americans in the US? In other words, South Americans in the US may be more selective than white Cubans, and white Cubans in Cuba probably have fairly low IQ.

    Shouldn't Indian-Americans have the highest IQ? Their median household income is the highest compared to other ethnic groups. Higher IQ means higher income.

    The correlation between income and IQ is only 0.15 or something. IQ is a better predictor of wealth (0.30) possibly because wealth requires generating income and reducing loss, and IQ correlates with income (0.15) and forward thinking.