Why is no one talking about the fact that we have seen a steady decline in overall covid deaths for 6 weeks now?

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

BECAUSE THE PANDEMIC IS A HOAX, and is the regular ol Corona virus just like 2019, 2018, etc.

CORONA virus has "cured" influenza; as no one died from influenza since April 2020.

[–]Themagicalmidget[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't think that is true. This virus is indeed serious and should be taken as such. It's just not Spanish Flu levels of serious. We just have to keep our elderly indoors and safe for maybe 8 or 9 more months while younger and middle aged people get back work. If you are relatively young and healthy this thing has about one half of one percent odds off killing you.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I gotta agree with this. I suspect I had it in mid-March. It was, for me, a severe headcold, that didn't even seem to touch my lungs. That being said, it took about a week longer to get over than a typical cold, and I was short of breath for a couple weeks after that, when doing things like housework. Oddly enough only times I find myself short of breath now is when I have to wear a mask. I don't think it's super-dangerous or super-deadly, but I think it is probably hella contagious...for example, I can't figure out where I would have caught it from.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think it's super-dangerous or super-deadly, but I think it is probably hella contagious

You're not exactly describing something that warrants a complete lockdown of 2.5 billion people; like we just went through.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True, but hella contagious means it IS likely dangerous for elderly or otherwise incapacitated. I'm in my mid-thirties, healthy as a horse, no big deal for me.
I kinda feel like complete lockdown is overkill. I got a feeling this is gonna be like chickenpox - everyone gets it, eventually. All lockdown does is make sure everyone doesn't get it all at once. (flatten the curve)

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think that is true.

If this was indeed a deadly superbug, then there would be no need to gin up the death count, by reclassifying the cause of deaths in death certs to Covid, cause people would have actually died from it.

Instead, they made fake news videos of full hospitals, etc.
That's the very definition of a hoax.

[–]BigDawg 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very interesting point about the influenza deaths. Do you know of a place to view raw data on death statistics?

[–]Breeze 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I would expect that the deaths would lag behind the current increase in daily cases by 2 to 3 weeks. The increase in daily cases started around June 14th and on your graph there is a slight bump in deaths from the previous week. Next week should be even higher. I wouldn't expect that deaths to reach maximum per day even though cases per day is highest because we should be better at treating it.

[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But the spike in infection rate is over a month old, so the deaths should already be showing that

[–]Breeze 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see the spike starting at June 14th and there is already a slight bump. The graph above shows bump from the previous week if you look at the bars. The line doesn't look like it because it is the 7 day average and the increase in deaths is less than a week, it looks like it just needs one more day above the previous week and it will tick up.

[–]Bigs 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This.

Deaths lag a few weeks behind infections.

[–]magnora7 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because we're increasing testing, so there's lots more people testing positive.

But the death rate is going down, because in reality most everyone's already had it. And also it's evolved to less deadly forms. And also we have medicine for it.

Yet the media, rather than celebrating this win, is doubling down on the fearmongering

[–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Great points, but on top of that, fecal matter studies from several European countries, including Italy, where it's believed the strain of the US originated, it looks like it was in those countries in the fall of 2019. Several studies are verified and dating the virus' presence to early November. One Italian scientist believes it likely started early fall, but can't prove it as of yet.

In all likelihood, we were in peak covid during January and February. Lockdowns likely made the situations worse, especially for those in nursing homes. As governors like the NY governor actively forced the removal of any covid positive testing nursing home patient from hospital beds back to the nursing homes, where they promptly infected most of the other residents.

Ironic, the Lockdowns have likely served to kill more people and continue to prolong the infections than just doing nothing would have.

But again, i suspect this was never about a virus. At the minimum, it's about control and conformity as well as seeing who doesn't conform. At the worst, well there's a lot of governors, especially Democrat governors who hate those old fox news watching fogeys in the nursing homes.

I usually don't believe such malice intent, but when the NY governor actively tries to scrub links on the web of his order forcing the return of nursing home resident back to their home especially if they test positive, even though several private nursing homes actively begged him to stop. Then in late March, or early April, NY changed how they count nursing home deaths. Prior, if a nursing home resident went to the hospital and died, that's counted as a nursing home death. They did away with that one quickly.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i wonder if they wanted to kill a lot of nursing home people on purpose, expecting it will be an economic boom in a while from it with less people that don't work needing to be paid for.

[–]iraelmossadreddit 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

fauci and his butt buddy bill already said we can except another wave in the fall. they won't let this go away because they have been planning it for many years.

[–]GST893 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Because that doesn't fir the narrative of fear!

[–]Nemacolin 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I have been posting this every day.

https://saidit.net/s/Lists/comments/3iv7/us_corona_death_by_day/

But of course, the number of case is going up fast, so perhaps deaths will go up in July.

[–]Themagicalmidget[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are looking at the same data website. I love it as it's really kept me grounded in this situation.

[–]mongre 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're going to be shaking your head to learn that all those deaths are misreported. If you have the antibodies, it's going to show positive. If you die from an unrelated cause there are numerous reports of doctors being encouraged to list the death as a covid death to get additional funding. These numbers are a farce.

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bless you.

[–]m68k 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If it doesn't cause people to panic and continue to watch the news giving the channel an increase in ratings, it's not news worthy.

[–]Brown_Roper 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Very interesting. Where did this data come from?

[–]Themagicalmidget[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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    [–]Themagicalmidget[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    If that was true then the death rate would have to reach at least 2k a day like it did before, instead we are looking at a continuously decreasing 500 death per day average. Of course this could increase, due to the BLM protests and things opening back up. There were massive protests that made it spread, but going by the data I posted I expect it to not even break 1k at its worst in the next few weeks. So we are looking at a pretty small second wave that will take us back to around 1k deaths a day once these new infections get worst and then back to a baseline of proabably 400 a day dead. That is not to discount the tragedy of the the end result being around 300k deaths when this is all done, but that is a thousandth of our population. The Spanish flu killed around 50 times more people.

    [–]Nightowl 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It is possible the first wave went undetected and what we’ve experienced has actually been the second or third wave, and politicians found a way to profit and politicize something that already existed since it is an election year. Just a thought.

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      [–]Themagicalmidget[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      People that don't grasp statistics are. They see big numbers and don't know what to make of them. If you mentioned to them that more people die annually from smoking every year though, maybe they would understand that using caution is good, but freaking out is far from necessary.

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        [–]Themagicalmidget[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Indeed, I don't even poste on reddit. There is no point. People will just yell at you and use ad hominem attacks while not addressing the issue at hand. I actually feel like I'm talking to adults here.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        down in the early hot spot states but on the rise in some states that weren't hit as bad at first

        [–]Nightowl 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Rising cases along the border. our border town population was responsible for spreading the virus to border towns in Mexico because our habits didn’t change. When things closed down here in AZ, everyone went to Mex instead. So their peak infections has occurred much later than ours. We have one county hospital in Yuma county and it’s no secret that most of the patients we’ve treated in June have been US citizens that reside in San Luis, Mexico. Same thing in the Imperial Valley, CA. Any US citizens living in Mexicali come to Calexico/El Centro for treatment and there are reports of stable patients being life watched from El Centro to Riverside, counting numbers for each patient twice (one for Imperial County and again I’m Riverside). All of this has a financial trace because of government incentives for treatment and even medical flight companies receive incentives.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        damn need to close that border permanently. US citizens in mexico? Congrats you're a mexican citizen now, stay out.

        [–]Themagicalmidget[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Because in the more rural areas there was not really any wave to begin with. The US is large thus it's only natural that other states that were less exposed for a veriety of reasons are lagging behind. So what we have is a small second wave in already effected states and a less pronounced first wave in the untouched areas. I expent everything to stabilize in about two months at this rate and for there to be around 200-250k deaths in total by years end. Or about one 1200th of our population. Statisticly speaking we will have a desth rate equal to around that of driving a car in Thailand for one year (60~ per 100k). Is that still dangerous? Yes. Would I be shitting my pants now? No.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        not really in rural spots yet either and that makes sense, less people, but it is increasing in cities in florida, texas, arizona etc

        [–]Themagicalmidget[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Fare enough, but those spots were really not hit hard to begin with. They in effect never had a first wave. That is why I'm predicting around 200-250k deaths by the end of the year after it runs through all the metro areas of the fly over states and states less prone to travel incursions.

        [–]BuboTitan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        It's obvious the spike in new cases are the result of increased testing, not increased transmission. The US has tested more people than any other country by far, even proportional to our population we are now very high on the list, far ahead of countries that have been praised for their response, such as Germany or South Korea.

        https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/