Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter in fatal 'Rust' shooting: district attorney

submitted by [deleted] from foxnews.com

all 28 comments
sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun

[–]1Icemonkey 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This is fucking awesome! Man I hate that piece of shit. All of his anti-gun, anti-NRA crap over the years. If this fucking prick worm would have taken an NRA gun safety course, he wouldn’t be in this mess. I hope he gets ass raped and double fisted to death in prison. Fucking nigger. Fuck him.

[–]Questionable 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Well that took long enough.

[–]pandorasbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It would be bittersweet if he caught something like a 10 year sentence, because he ain't no spring chicken, that would mean that he will die in prison.

[–]UncleWillard56 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (32 children)

I don't care for Alec Baldwin, but really? YTF was there even live ammo at the set? That's not his fault.

[–]1Icemonkey 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

His job, like everyone else’s when they are handed a firearm, is to clear the chamber even if the person handing it to him just did so right in front of him. He is at fault.

[–]Zapped 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes. I feel bad that this happened with him, even if I don't like him, but he helped cause the death of another through negligently handling that firearm.

[–][deleted]  (5 children)

[deleted]

    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    But he did not intend to shoot and kill Halyna Hutchins, by any stretch of the imagination. The dumbest lawyer in New Mexico could see Baldwin walk. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed will likely be behind bars.

    Intent isn't the bar for involuntary manslaughter. The person shooting the gun has some responsibility to safely handle the firearm, regardless of what somebody else tells them. That this is standard practice on set is true, but they do not have different laws apply to actors on a set

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

    [deleted]

      [–]Arex_bardwin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      He pointed a working gun at a live person, cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger, without first ensuring it was unloaded.

      The key is whether he thought dummy rounds were loaded and whether he had any way of verifying they were dummy rounds. Spoiler alert. He could have.

      [–]Hel 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      As much as I can’t stand Alec he is innocent of any wrongdoing imo. He was not responsible for loading the gun, and I think it’s unreasonable to expect him to unload the gun to check if the ammunition was blanks instead of bullets. Thus I believe a reasonable person would find him innocent of even involuntary manslaughter.

      they do not have different laws apply to actors on a set

      No but circumstances matter, and as I’ve already stated I believe it is unreasonable to expect him to check the ammunition when the set “expert” was responsible for loading the gun with the proper ammunition.

      [–][deleted]  (5 children)

      [deleted]

        [–]1Icemonkey 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        You apparently have no knowledge of firearm safety. Baldwin would, had he taken a NRA gun safer course rather than bag on them and be all anti gun. Say, if he is so anti gun, why was he ha doing a firearm?

        [–][deleted]  (3 children)

        [deleted]

          [–]1Icemonkey 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          He is the production company in this case, so there is that.

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

          [deleted]

            [–]1Icemonkey 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            The armorer, the daughter of a famed longtime armorer, has been charged as well. They are both severely at fault. I too hope the family takes all of his money.

            [–]jet199 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

            Even with completely fake guns on set you aren't allowed to point them at people. He pointed that gun at 2 people and pulled the trigger. This wasn't the first accident on set, he knew it wasn't safe. But he was pissed and has anger issues.

            [–]JohnRaymond 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            You're getting to root. Sub stack article talks about info victim had on friend of Baldwin

            [–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Very true, and if they'd been blanks and someone had gotten hurt, I'd hold him accountable as well, just like here. He didn't have to point that gun at her at all and he broke one of the cardinal rules of handling a firearm; never point it at anyone unless you intend to shoot them. But involuntary manslaughter? I'll wager that doesn't happen. Ultimately, whoever loaded live rounds into that gun bears the brunt of the responsibility. But yeah, Baldwin should be held accountable for even pointing it at her, even if he thought there were blanks in it.

            [–][deleted]  (2 children)

            [deleted]

              [–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Guns (with blanks) are of course pointed at people on set

              Yes, as part of a choreographed stunt only.

              Gun training specifically says you are not to wave the gun around or point it at people on set.

              He would have done this training multiple times. He was not shooting during a scene, he specifically aimed at the crew.

              [–]JohnRaymond 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              It sure sounds like he made mistakes. If not worse than mistakes.

              [–]Bonn1770 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              Real guns are cheaper than prop guns on set, so they used a real cowboy revolver. The gun had to fire for a scene, and since it was a revolver there needed to be real bullets (the camera would pick up blanks as revolvers have an open end cylinder that is really obvious on camera). The prop gun person in charge was a nepotism hire (daughter of an old movie prop pro) with little experience. And Baldwin as a nogunz retard probably was flagging the crew like crazy with the pistol and had an negligent discharge as a result and killed a crew member.

              [–][deleted]  (2 children)

              [deleted]

                [–]Bonn1770 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                What with CGI? Again that costs more money. This was a low budget western and they were obviously cutting corners like crazy on set.

                Some industry professionals say there are a few reasons banning the use of guns on sets might not be practical for all productions, especially independent projects working with small budgets or tiny crews. In general, CGI adds costs to a production's budget, and adding visual effects to shots can take months.

                [–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                So negligence and incompetence all around.

                [–]Arex_bardwin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                Cops are charged with murder all the time for mistakes that kill someone(unless the victim is white, then its cool) Only Shitlibs like baldwin expect total perfection from them at all times. Now a shitlib is getting a taste of his own medicine.

                A female cop recently shot a black man resisting arrest after mistakibg her gun for a taser. She wasnt charged with invol manslaughter or even negligent homicide. She was charged with murder, and i bet baldwin applauded it. Hell ordinary citizens are charged with worse for accidental traffic deaths, so why the sudden tears for baldwin.

                [–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                No tears, but there is an expectation that the "professionals" do their jobs and when they don't and people get killed, they be held accountable. In the case of cops, they are responsible for who they shoot and know their guns are loaded with live ammo. Based on the few people who actually get shot by cops, it's amazing more people DON'T get shot. People like Baldwin just want to be on what they perceive is the right side of the narrative, so I get it, it's good to see someone like him on the other side, expecting common sense and due process to be a thing, and it's not.

                [–]Arex_bardwin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                Everyone makes mistakes. Literally everyone. Cops continually face life threatening situations where tgeir mistakes made under the threat of their imminent death can kill someone. You need to take that under account unless you want anarchy.

                If a cop is not in imminent danger then by all means throw the book at them, but u dont throw someone under the bus while they are risking their life because they made a mistake.

                Baldwin was in no such danger but he killed someone anyway. Why would he get lesser charges?

                [–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                If he's guilty of involuntary manslaughter, then the armorer should be guilty of manslaughter in my mind. The negligence on her part is more severe than what Baldwin did. It's not like there are hundreds of incidence where people get shot by live rounds on movie sets. I'm sure it happens, but he would have felt some security knowing a professional handled the weapons. I think he's guilty in that he pointed what he thought was a gun loaded with blanks (crazy irresponsible even if it did have blanks in it), but the more severe crime is loading a gun to be used by an actor with live rounds. I'm not going to lose any sleep if he goes to jail for involuntary manslaughter, he deserves to face the music. I just feel the armorer is more responsible than him.

                [–]Arex_bardwin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                I agree with all that. The armorer is the one most responsible. I'm generally not someone who thinks SOMEONE MUST PAY every time bad shit happens and people are hurt. I think intent is by far the most important thing. However we now live in a decaying tribalistic society where people circle the wagons based on agendas and ethnicity and there are no clear consistent rules that everyone is held equally responsible for. Baldwin is exactly the type of motherfucker that helped cause this situation, although he's small potatoes compared to the oligarchs and people who run shit. Baldwin is just one of their dancing monkeys, he just danced more enthusiastically than most.

                [–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Agreed! He did make his bed on this and is reaping what he sewed. And I think he is absolutely partially negligent in aiming a gun, any gun, at someone. I'm going to bet he doesn't end up with involuntary manslaughter, but pleads down to a lesser charge and pays a ton of money. If he spends a day in jail, I'll be surprised. Now THAT's the privilege someone like him rants about.

                [–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Good

                [–]package 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                nice