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[–]EndlessSunflowers 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Good riddance to these kock suckers!
Hopefully the rest of these shitty old assholes die off soon too

[–]Rastafoo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Go fuck yourself. He had a family.

[–]Soopamanluva 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right, hopefully they are not too far behind.

[–]wilbureduke 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

[–]Rastafoo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The fact that you take BLP seriously, shows how completely out of touch you are.

[–]wilbureduke 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

yeah it's a horrible source agreed but i'm lazy and it was the first one at the top of the page. didn't think i would need to do better since it's common knowledge i've heard for years. if you honestly had never heard that i would be surprised. you want more i sure i take that extra minute but you already knew this was true.

[–]wilbureduke 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/148838/koch-brothers-cain-abel-plutocratic-politics

...“Charles pushed David out,” one Koch associate told Mayer. “It was done with a wink, and a nod, and a nudge.” Another source offered the same story, telling The New Yorker that “Charles had been pushing him out for quite some time. David kept resisting. It was bad. Charles took control.”

This is not the first time fraternal intrigue has divided the family. Frederick Koch, the eldest brother in the family, alleges that after their father died in 1967 Charles tried to use “homosexual blackmail” to force Frederick to sell his shares of the company business. “Charles’ ‘homosexual blackmail’ did not succeed,” Frederick told Mother Jones in 2014, “for the simple reason that I am not homosexual.” (Charles Koch denies these allegations.) Another sibling, Bill, who is David Koch’s twin, has also wrestled for control of the company with both David and Charles. ...

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

May it be so!

[–]x0x7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never any specifics to talk about. Every time it's just he didn't want more government and therefore is evil.

Liberal media doesn't need to give you a reason to hate someone. They just tell you to and you do it.

[–]Key_Resource 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

His death won't make any differences his thousands of agents and his kids that will inherit 0.1% of his wealth will continue his work and the other 99.99% goes to other rich billionaires like him

[–]x0x7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never here people talk about Jeff Bezos this way. Yeah, I'm sure he willed actual billionaires just because that's what billionaires do.

[–]lumberjohn 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"Can't Buy Me Lii-iife"

Can't understand how anyone can sit on a billion instead of doing something useful with it.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Probably one of the top 10 people to have severely damaged US political discourse. However I hope he rests in peace. And I hope the US lower and middle classes can recover from the damage he and his brother have caused.

[–]x0x7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

He damaged discourse by having a different opinion than you?

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

No he damaged discourse by creating 20+ media companies and flooding the media with propaganda that aligns to his views, more aggressively than almost many billionaire in US history. He's one of the reasons there are no longer Unions in the US, among many other things

[–]x0x7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I take it you hate Jeff Zucker.

More aggressively that any billionaire? What about Jeff Bezos that owns a full news paper, and George Soros that controls Media Matters that coordinates talking points between CNN and MSNBC?

Koch is like 15th on the list of having impact on media.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'll agree they had a bigger impact, but I think Koch had a more damaging impact. The splash wasn't as large, but the direction it went was far more drastic (very far right authoritarian anti-worker type of propaganda). Zuck may surpass that yet, but we'll see.

[–]x0x7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

None of the far right is anti worker. Like seriously, go to voat.co and say "hey don't you all hate workers, amiright" and see what response you get.

Koch wasn't far right. Not in the longest shot. He was libertarian and further left than Obama and the rest of the Dems on many issues. He was ahead of them on same sex marriage (not that I support that), he was ahead of them on prison reform (by decades), he was ahead of them on marijuana legalization (they are still dragging their feet on that one). I would say he was ahead of them on immigration but the dems have been on that issue for a long time so we will call it a tie.

You may actually not understand Koch at all. You may have just put him into your mold that the media tells you to create for all republicans which doesn't even match any republicans. Like you lefties actually think these people are intentionally sinister and evil. We on the right think you are all stupid but well meaning. But you think the other side is being evil for evil's sake. If you believe that's the case you may not understand what anyone on the opposite side of the isle from you actually believes.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

He actively worked to destroy unions, and hollow out the middle class, to make himself and his brother more wealthy. I know what he did.

[–]x0x7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Unions suck. They are the reason why work left the northern midwest and why chicago is poor. He intentionally attempted to hollow out the middle class? I call absolute bullshit. Show me proof.

The left is just high affluent accusations. As long as you are accusing someone you match the left ascetic and automatically get support, but no one ever goes against the mob and says bullshit. Well this one is bullshit.

Give proof. You might learn something while trying to support your claims. Till then the only thing I learned is how utterly retarded his accusers are/were. You have convinced me of nothing else.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]x0x7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You realize that one of those is not zeroed. I could make any two downward trending subject line up exactly like that. Not only is corelation not causation, but that doesn't even show good corelation.

Second, I don't care about unions. Third the federal reserve has more to do with that. Fourth real household incomes have gone up slightly. I don't care about proportionate share. That's for petty and retarded children.

You still have not shown that they have intentionally dismantled the middle class, which was your claim. Which also has not happened.

To the extent the middle class has shrunk it is because more people have left the middle class for the upper class. Poverty is down too which means many people joined it from lower brackets.

If we have 5 people all earning $5,000 a month and a decade goes by and now two of them earn $10,000 a month adjusted for inflation, the respective share of those with $5,000 goes down, not only in respect to their peers but that general bracket also has fewer people. In that case it went from 100% to 43%. Meanwhile none of them are poorer.

The sad thing is it is impossible for people to get richer without that retarded metric going down.

By your logic we should get everyone below the poverty line. Then the poor will have 100% of the income share. That will be good for the poor.

I will respect you when you show some capacity for mathematical reason. And that won't happen.

[–]Key_Resource 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

His death won't make any differences his thousands of agents and children that will inherit 0.1% of his wealth will continue his work and the other 99.99% goes to other rich billionaires like him

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He still organized and planned a lot of it. It does affect the momentum these programs have

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My neighbor just died too. God bless him.

[–]Rastafoo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Rest in peace.

[–]solder0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not a total loss, there's one more koch left. :)

[–]Timmy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God has responded to switching "donations" to the leftists. Plug pulled.

[–]astronautrob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are they really going to refer to this dude as a libertarian....?

[–]r721[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ctrl-F "Libertarian":

The sprawling political empire includes conservative and libertarian nonprofits such as Americans for Prosperity, Freedom Partners and Concerned Veterans for America.

In 1980, the younger Koch was nominated as the vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party. His running mate at the time was Ed Clark and their campaign ran on abolishing Social Security, the Federal Reserve board, welfare, corporate taxes and minimum wage laws.

A bit sketchy, yeah.

[–]x0x7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is nothing in what you cited that is sketchy.

[–]astronautrob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Super sketch

[–]Ogimaa 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck the Koch family and everything they represent