An undetectable way to lie

submitted by trident765 from self.nonmorons

The technique I have seen used by evil scum is to engage with a person, have a conversation with him, take note of the things he said, and then later on tell people that he said X when really he said something with similar wording to X but with a completely different meaning.

For example, imagine that an evil scum insults someone's work, and then the person asks the evil scum to name the specific flaws so that they can discuss them. And then after the evil scum is unable to do so, he goes behind the person's back and tells others that the person is someone with a huge ego who claims that his work has no flaws.

This form of lying is difficult to expose because it might happen 10 times before you catch him, and even when you catch him, it looks like it was just a misunderstanding. The only way to expose him would be to show that he is consistent in these supposed "misunderstandings", which is almost impossible to do.

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[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

What's worse is that these "evil scum" don't think they are evil. Sure some make consciously do this but I suspect most do it subconsciously, or at least initially without intent before it turns into something and they get carried away with it on their mission. Few people think they are the villain, and many think they are actually trying to do good.

My recent SaidIt ban was much like this.

Transparent open clear communication is the key. Of course the ruling class and their minions are trying to corrupt our language and dialogue by confusing terms rather than clarifying them.

[–]wary_observer 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Transparent open clear communication is the key.

Sure, but it's is possible only with well-meaning like-minded people, who are also united by a perceived common interest.

What determines a common interest or the perception of what such may be? What personal traits in individuals allow for clear (honest) communication? How can well-meaning individuals and groups identify and avoid insincere deceivers/evil scum?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

What determines a common interest or the perception of what such may be?

All I care to be united with is being fair, open, transparent, accountable, consistent, honest = uncensored truth-seeking integrity. Fail on any of those and it's no longer a legit interaction. FOTACH would be my religion and/or political party of choice.

[–]wary_observer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This doesn't work with the type of person OP described. They are not motivated by truth-seeking and do not have integrity.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sad but too true.

[–]Entropick 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Talmudic disingenuity, even I see it now. Filed under 'pilpul' for the most part.

[–]wary_observer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not quite. Talmudic pilpul is a kind of legalistic sophistry. Disingenuous, yes, but the damage it does is long-term, strategic. The type of person OP describes is more of a cunning opportunist weasel who practices short-term treachery to rise in the ranks.

[–]Entropick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the clarification.

[–]thefirststone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I've seen it from malice, but I've seen it from stupidity, where bad faith listening caused bad understanding, and the paraphrase ended up slanderous.

Now the bad faith itself may have had malicious roots, but that applies to wider situations. Nowadays that's very common, and plausible deniability is harder to come by.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Not just stupidity. Poor reasoning and fallacious logic in smart people can be worse - just as with well-meaning SJWs and this lockdown nonsense under a blind faith in scientism.

[–]wary_observer 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Not just stupidity. Poor reasoning and fallacious logic in smart people can be worse

This is an interesting point, because it begs the question: are people afflicted with 'poor reasoning and fallacious logic' really 'smart'?

well-meaning SJWs

Is there such a thing?

this lockdown nonsense under a blind faith in scientism.

Those who agree with lockdown nonsense are not (consciously) aware that they are adherents of a religion which non-adherents call 'scientism'. They are 'well-meaning' docile sheep. They believe in the 'wisdom of crowds' and other such modern tripe. Can we bring them back into our fold or should they be abandoned to the fate their shepherds have chosen for them?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

are people afflicted with 'poor reasoning and fallacious logic' really 'smart'?

This is fallacious, implying there is only one way to be smart, ignoring the vast array of perspectives and experiences people may excel at, or not.

well-meaning SJWs

Is there such a thing?

Again there's a whole spectrum of SJW personalities - doing it for their ego to virtue signal or doing it to help, programmed or a programmer, conscious or subconscious, etc etc etc. People often have complex reasons for their thoughts and actions, whether they know it or not.

not (consciously) aware that they are adherents of a religion

Agreed, and well-recognized.

Can we bring them back into our fold or should they be abandoned to the fate their shepherds have chosen for them?

Good question. Perhaps more importantly: Should we try?

/s/VaccineInjuries/comments/84bb/pragmatic_solutions_for_the_great_reset_its_about/

[–]beece 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You've been paying attention to the lies from the US Mainstream Media it appears.