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[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Don't post anything that would get saidit in trouble with any legal agencies. That's basically the only rule. You're not allowed to take down saidit by posting illegal stuff.

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know exactly where that line is, but I trust the users and mods here to take that seriously or else the sub won't last

[–]TRaec[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

If this site is vulnerable to DMCA's then either this sub or the site won't last. Either saiddit bans this sub for the same reason reddit banned r/piracy or the site is taken down. Do you remember the KAT forums where you could ask for something and someone would find it or upload it for you? That's what this should be and what it seems like it can't be. Without link sharing this is a dumb and doomed half measure. I wish I had a good alternative but I don't, so if anyone knows where you can share and upload freely please let me know.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Of course we're vulnerable to DMCA's, how could we not be?

[–]brickfrog 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just curious, does saidit have an official policy on handling and/or disputing DMCA complaints, in particular invalid DMCA complaints?

Reason I ask is that many social networking/discussion type sites receive tons of DMCA notices and not all of them are valid. Many are generated in the hopes that the result is a takedown even if the DMCA notice itself wouldn't hold up if challenged.

For example the recent DMCA issues over at Reddit actually involve many notices that aren't really valid but Reddit opted not to dispute them

https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/b28d9q/rpiracy_has_received_a_notice_of_multiple/eitku9s

Simply asking if a site is down, simply linking a website, simply mentioning the name of a file alleged to be pirated content, etc. those things aren't actually in violation of DMCA. Would a site like saidit be in a position to dispute notices that aren't actually valid or would it end up going ahead with removing content similar to what Reddit is doing?

Admittingly it's a tricky task, sites like Youtube deal with these things on a massive scale e.g.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42580523

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/11/18220032/youtube-copystrike-blackmail-three-strikes-copyright-violation

Just curious how saidit plans to handle those things when they come up, or if there is a plan.

EDIT: Just to be clear it's probably a stretch to allow direct links to alleged pirated content if saidit is vulnerable to DMCA. I'm thinking about more general stuff outside direct linking.

[–]TRaec[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You could be a torrent site not hosted in the US. Like 1337x or Ruttracker or The Pirate Bay. Only a site like that will be able to give r/piracy users what they actually want. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a site like that in English that allows people to request content and posts clean files. Nothing has been as good KAT was.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are working on a decentralized solution, but it might be a couple years because it's very complex.

Even if the servers are abroad, both the admins are in the US...

[–]MagicalForeignBunny 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not being hosted in the US isn't some magical legal shield that'll keep the lawyers at bay. If this site were to do as you suggest, it would jeopardize not only this piracy subreddit (or what they are called here), but also every other subreddit on this site.

Torrent sites all shut down at some point when the legal pressure becomes too much, it's only a question of when.

[–]TRaec[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

TPB still exists. Even though it's gone downhill. I get it if the site doesn't want the problem. Honestly even a bit more freedom then Reddit is welcome.

[–]MagicalForeignBunny 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Pirate Bay is a... special creature. Pirate Bay is shut down. So is Pirate Bay. And Pirate Bay. And Pirate Bay. What I'm saying is, that for some reason, pirates have flocked to the name, so whenever Pirate Bay gets shut down, new pirates make a site with the exact same name. Pirate Bay doesn't still exist, it has died many times. It's a lot like a phoenix actually, continually rising from the ashes.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

QxR

[–]MagicalForeignBunny 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why Reddit is taking down /r/piracy is still up in the air, so if the real reason is DMCA's can't be said.

However, why can't you just use this place the same way you've used the piracy subreddit? You've been getting by not sharing links there for a while.

[–]TRaec[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I never used the piracy subreddit although I was subscribed because like I said it seemed like a such a silly half measure. I guess there's an audience here that I just don't understand. I miss being part of a community that would upload things when you asked sometime or specifically find rare stuff for you. And I miss giving back to that community in the form of uploads and finding stuff.

[–]MagicalForeignBunny 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think pirates are just too skittish since Artem Vaulin was dragged off in chains.

[–]Tblaze7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I'd like to get links too because I would extensively search for things before I asked or couldn't find what I wanted it would be nice for someone to be able to give me a link. I think a lot of people are too lazy to do that they just want a link immediately and not really willing to learn things. If reddit goes down I'll still be able to get stuff from multiple sources I never rely on one place for all my information. If you read the posts on reddit you could find out where certain things moved to but there was no link or anything just a name and you had to figure it out. I don't see where it was breaking any copyright rules it's just a target because of it's name and popularity if it was alt.kittens or something it wouldn't be so obvious at least.

[–]Quenz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are places more resilient to stuff like DMCA, for example http://dreadditevelidot.onion (via Tor), the piracy Aethor board and scuttlebut channnel, see instructions here.

A clone of ZeroTalk on ZeroNet could work. A reddit clone on IPFS could work, perhaps a Prismo instance.

[–]samsng 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The point is to have a place where we can discuss piracy freely. Without the fear of the community being banned.

[–]PaigeAP 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This. It's not really that hard to find pirated content anyway.

One thing we have to know though is whether s/piracy can get banned for the stuff that r/piracy might soon get banned aka guides, announcing a torrent release or simply asking if a site is down