The problem with Python

submitted by fschmidt from self.programming

Python is probably the best popular language for application programming, but this isn't saying much. Modern scum reject all fundamentally good ideas including Ousterhout's concept of scripting languages. And this idea points to the problem with Python.

Writing libraries and writing applications are fundamentally different things with different needs, and therefore should be done in different languages. A language for writing libraries should be strongly typed, support modularity, and have a threading API. A language for writing applications should be extremely simple, weakly typed, and hide threading. A complete development environment should include each type of language where the languages work seamlessly together.

Python falls in the middle, optimal for neither task, but probably an optimal compromise between the two. It is weakly typed, supports modularity, has a threading API, and is fairly complex. It is inferior to (old) Java for writing libraries, and inferior to Luan for writing applications.

If one has to support an application that was developed by modern scum, then it makes sense to choose one that was written in Python. But if one can start from scratch (and one isn't modern scum), then Luan and Java are the best choice.

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[–]jet199 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I remember a transwoman telling me programmers who use python are more likely to transition.

I think they thought it was an Arrival type language effect on the brain.

I think it's more likely because they can't get laid and watch too much porn and cartoons.

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    [–]fschmidt[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    All scripting languages make extensions possible, but it isn't seamless. Compare to a typical Luan binding:

    https://hg.luan.software/luan/file/default/src/luan/modules/Binary.luan

    Luan can call Java directly, so this really is seamless. In many cases a Luan function is simply a Java method.

    [–]iDontShift 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    tcl . i rewrite python libraries in tcl to avoid using python

    i dislike java almost as much as python, and luan is

    Luan is implemented in Java and is tightly coupled with Java.

    yuk

    [–]JackEddyfier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Java is hardly the best choice. What about all the others? : Rust, F#, Scala, Julia, ...

    [–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Of these, Java is the best choice. I have looked at Rust, F#, Scala and all are modern crap by modern scum. Scala is the worst programming language I have ever seen. I just briefly glanced at Julia and it looks like modern crap overloaded with features. I don't know if you are modern scum or not, but clearly all modern scum will hate early Java because it was such a good language and modern scum hate everything that is good.