Socialism is not in the least what it pretends to be ... It does not build, it destroys. For destruction is the essence of it. It produces nothing, it only consumes what the social order based on private ownership in the means of production has created. Ludwig von Mises

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, yes. The good old Jewish psy-op of conflating socialism with communism when they are in fact opposites. Very cute, kike.

[–]EVERYBODYPANIC 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ludwig von Mises had it right across the board. In the next age, he'll be revered like a saint. If there ever is a next age.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

USSR was productive, during cold war USA felt the need to compete or else people would demand socialism as they saw a super power over there doing well. That is why wages were high then reaching the highest point in 60s. Since USSR fell nothing but lowered wages as USA feels no competition.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I started working in an industrial lab at 18 YO. There was a serious shortage of experienced people. So, they hired people that they believed could successfully do the job after two weeks of training.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

sounds anecdotal. Was this in the 60s.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

My first job was in 1969, shortly after I graduated high school. I went though a local employment agency. After two interviews, both companies offered me a position, which somewhat pissed off my mom who was working full time making over $1000 less per year than my starting pay was. I eventually received my bachelors degree in 1981, after going part time for way too long.

That really was the golden age of American manufacturing and a great time for anyone that wanted a good job.

[–]Againstniggerfemales 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Now everything is made of china and usa is full of chinese nogs

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yeah good old days, boomers were lucky USA was still trying to compete with russia then. Things changed since.

[–]Nemesis 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I'm not sure where to begin with this comment. We didn't compete with the USSR out of fear that Americans would demand a Soviet system out of envy. Their system systematically destroyed the lives of millions of people, and the day to day life of a Soviet during the height of the Cold War was in no way comparable to the quality, freedom, and choice of the average American. "doing well" is a lie, or ignorance, but either way it's wrong. As for falling wages, that's a complicated issue that everyone loves to debate, but your claim that wages have fallen due to feelings of "no competition" makes absolutely no sense. American companies do not pay their workers on the basis of competition with the Soviet Union. Companies compete with each other, and only care about foreign policy when it intersects with their industry (tariffs, trade, etc.). Correlation does not imply causation, just because the fall of the USSR and falling wages happened over the same period does not mean that one caused the other, though I would be happy to review any evidence or arguments you may have on this matter.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are quite right of course. Wages reduction comes from other factors.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

yeah we did and space race is biggest example of it but also good paying jobs. Now we see the ruling elite has no need to bribe us into not revolting. Of course they were mildly worried about occupy wall st so stopped screwing us over for a few years, so economy was pretty good. Now they are getting greedy and a big crash is coming again but they have their ducks in a row with the fake pandemic and their controlled looters.

You believe in just world fallacy, probably think that the world being run by a few elite bankers is a conspiracy theory.

[–]Nemesis 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

could you explain what you mean by just world fallacy? (edit: forgot a just in my OP)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

never heard it?

[–]Nemesis 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

what you mean

What does it mean to you when you use it. I'm curious what exactly you're accusing me of.

The rest of it is just wrong, not about to waste effort on blatant memes.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

i explained it perfectly in the post, go reread

[–]Againstniggerfemales 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Ok

[–]EvilNick 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

What are you talking about. They had bread lines and Levi's jeans were wear off the wealthy lol. It was not doing well.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

people forget govt cheese during reagan years too

bread lines are not as bad as having no bread lines at all due to no bread

not sure what levi jeans wear off the wealthy means? Bottom line is competition is good. No competition now means we're getting screwed.

[–]EvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

competition is capitalism tho

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

do we have capitalism now then, or is this a socialist country. In truth we never had capitalism but we had the cold war as a fake war to distract the masses just as was described in 1984. It supposedly ended in 1989 but notice how they have tried to drum it back up to use russia as a boogeyman again.

[–]EvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

yes but whos using russia as the boogeyman? we are def not socialist, we are capitalist.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

similarly to 50 years ago, it is the media trying to convince you russia is bad

anthony sutton had pointed out USA, USSR, and nazis all had the same economic system.

[–]EvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

its not "the media" its the left. they just happen to control a large portion of the media ATM. Nazis and the US are a very different economic system. The Nazis basically controlled all capital trade. There were VERY few free enterprises in Nazi Germany and only those that feigned extreme loyalty to the party. They could take your business or plant a party manager in at any moment though, and did frequently. USSR Im not familiar with enough, before my time but not by enough to be extremely interesting to me. I just know it was socialist and not very pleasant. It was bad enough they rose up, started dissolving and ended. Its not comparable to whats going on right now here in the states tho. Not by a long shot.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

same thing, don't try to defend the media

same systems

USSR was before your time but nazis weren't?

[–]EvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Read my comment again

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The ussr was not socialist, it was COMMUNIST. They CALLED it "socialist" to fool uneducated westerners.

Oh, look...

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutes are always needing modification.

Everything in moderation including moderation.

BTW, a word "Socialism" cannot pretend.

[–]Nemesis 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

u/endlesssunflowers

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

But does this not describe Capitalism as well? Capitalism revolves around the destruction of competitors, be they Capital or Labor. Where Socialism has conflict between classes Capitalism has conflict within classes. The outcome is inevitably the same. Materialist ideologies simply cannot suffice — we need a third option.

[–]EvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The difference is capitalism is dictated by the market. If the product sucks the consumers just go buy something else and that product eventually disappears. In socialism you buy that product because it's what the government makes and if you don't like it, you eventually disappear.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In a free market monopolies will develop so you have to buy it from company X or go without. We can have a market economy without it being a Capitalist, free-market one.

[–]EvilNick 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

monopolies only happen if the consumer public lets it. the consumer has a LOT more power under capitalism than under socialism or communism. issue is consumers have become too brand loyal and narrow visioned these days. you have to be prepared to try something new and NOT be part of a crowd.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's just human nature. People are inherently inclined to blindly follow a leader and submit themselves to some form of hierarchy, or for a small minority become that leader. The Consumers will always be prone to manipulation, and the Capitalists will always be prone to seize upon that.

[–]EvilNick 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Then don't be prone