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[–]CreditKnifeMan 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Thomas Sowell

They want villains to hate and heroes to cheer - and they don't want explanations that don't give them that. " And that concludes my position...

Debate moderator
"Thank you Prof Sowell. Would the opposition care to respond?"

Mainstream Position

"Thank you, moderator... Something, something, RheeeeeRAAAAYCISMMMuh!!!"

[–]StillLessons 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Truth.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely brilliant man.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

There other reasons of course. Incentives, social psychology and conformity, sheer ignorance and an unawareness that fields of knowledge or chains of cause and effect exist. Knowledge is very conditional and contextual, and most people don't have the brains or inclination to puzzle out abstractions, especially when a public relations narcissist is feeding them stories that purport to explain things.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There other reasons of course.

Like what? It's all covered in that quote.

Incentives, social psychology and conformity, sheer ignorance and an unawareness that fields of knowledge or chains of cause and effect exist. Knowledge is very conditional and contextual,

" analytical explanation "

and most people don't have the brains or inclination to puzzle out abstractions,

" that leaves them them emotionally unsatisfied. "

especially when a public relations narcissist is feeding them stories that purport to explain things.

" They want villains to hate and heroes to cheer "

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, your analysis is wrong and I do not care what you think, bye.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, your analysis is wrong and I do not care what you think, bye.

Then why'd you comment?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Can you elaborate what actually is so nice about the last four POTUSes then ?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Delusional people don't recognize when they are delusional.

Mass psychosis is no different.

If you can see that it's propaganda, you're not the target.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

But still i'm quite genuinely interested in the inner "mechanics" of this kind of group dynamics.

I got a very physical "field-like" (Maxwell...) theory on some processes observable in human group dynamics. It isn't a discrete but continuous problem in most aspects.

Which basically is the reason visiting my most favorite therapist once a week. She is a genius that didn't drown in the usual dogmatism of her profession.

We basically only discuss the inner workings of this magical black-box that exists when two people are talking. But from a mathematical viewpoint it gets hardcore-complicated even when there only is a third present influencing both parties just by its presence.

She is writing her thesis about this anyway.

We're trying to create something new by fusioning a lot of ideas, theories and input from her colleagues.

I always wonder what this black-box actually is when i'm talking to her.

Finding an imaginative model for this thing... Could possibly be real progress.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I got a very physical "field-like" (Maxwell...) theory on some processes observable in human group dynamics.

Like thermal dynamics or magnetic fields, it might be worth sharing predictive equations for many general maxims about political/group dynamics. (Apophenia, Dunning–Kruger effect, Eudaimonia, Gell-Mann amnesia effect, Hitchens's razor, List of eponymous laws, List of fallacies, Principle of charity, Pyrrhonism, Stoicism, etc.)

A pendulum is predictable. Add another point and it gets hardcore-complicated.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. I feel understood. Most likely. This is quite a strange day.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any time I'm about to argue with people on the internet, I block them instead. I have zero interest in debates or proving things to people who don't matter to me and who are too lazy to read real books. If I was interested in their opinion I'd read the book they're badly mangling it from. Internet debates, political discussion, etc. are utterly pointless and exclusively the domain of people who are stupid or delusional. I, personally, do not care what anyone believes and couldn't care if everyone on the planet died tomorrow, because normies are trashkin. The sole reason I ever post things is for myself, with a sub purpose of occasionally getting useful comments from people who actually have the background and IQ to know what I'm talking about. This is why I hate public forums, because I despise the idea that anyone who wants can be somewhere.

I am interested in ideas, people can go to Hell and burn forever.

[–]Morgan_Escherly 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Seems to dismiss altogether the amount of mind numbing bs people have had dumped into their heads since first grade. Some ideas are put in, take up residence as fact, and are very stubborn to dislodge. It's what school is supposed to do.

I'm Asperger, so I'm not hot on social ques which is a problem but also an advantage in some ways.

I dont generally take what someone says as true w/out reflecting on it, sometimes for a good while. Like ever snowflake is unique. My brain says: there is a finite size to a snowflake, a limit on how many water molecules can combine, no part of this leads to infinite. Yes, it would be a very big number, but not infinite.

Likewise, the often made assertion that humans are somehow naturally selfish and greedy. Research shows just the opposite. So it's a convenient lie capitalist society dumps into our young minds.

And getting outside that box is very difficult bc it's so deeply ingrained. I'm also leery of generalizations about any group having this or that trait. Men are like this or women or blacks or football teams. Whatever I know about a group tells me nothing about any one person in that group.

Well, ok, that's my introduction. What's next. Can we save the world from greed?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Is greed the problem or is centralized extremism the problem?

/s/DecentralizeAllThings
#FightElitesNotEachOther

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

For more "feeling" characters this is absolutely correct.

Which are about 87% of humankind, give or take.

But there are "thinkers". Thinkers with a general grudge on so called "facts" are quite dangerous in swinging general opinion.

I take pure joy in dissecting things, e.g.

Forcing them out of context into another one as one of my favorite methods, e.g.

The possibilities of grinding things to bits are literally endless, if you didn't loose your imagination somewhere on the way.

Bonus level: You actually get to know stuff. Poking it from every direction possible.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"Think a grudge" or "feel a grudge"?
It's still feeling.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's feels like "fuck that".

This "grudgy" thing (I honestly don't know, I'll ask my favorite therapist next week about it) then fuels my stubborness to dig into it.

Is kind of hard to explain, how this actually happens.

It just happens this way again and again.

[–]Optimus85 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Quite succinctly put. I wasn't familiar with him or Jordan Peterson but once I heard them speak, it resonated with me and I gained appreciation for these individuals. We need more verity-speaking scholars.

[–]RedKSun 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We need to have more men like Jordan for sure Optimus85!

[–]sproketboy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thomas Sowell is one of the greats.

[–]cm18 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

that leaves them them emotionally unsatisfied

Or that don't leave them drained because of personal attacks instead of attacking the ideas.