So I noticed a lot of the posts here about the protests are trying to make cops look good and protesters look bad...

submitted by magnora7 from self.whatever

Those posts are talking about blaming the rioters and looters for stuff, rather than talking about the successful peaceful protests, or talking about the police actions that led to this.

I thought many of the types who post this stuff would support a push against freedom from police tyranny, but it seems many of the people posting are falling for the divide and conquer posts. I don't think this sentiment is being manufactured in an organic way. It's pure divide and conquer to get republicans to hate democrats, and whites to hate blacks. Don't fall for it, keep your eye on the ball of police misconduct. Don't fall for racial divisiveness on this issue. Don't fall for politics on this issue, left vs right.

Also a lot of people posting seem to be searching for reasons to make protesters look like the enemy, and cops look like our friend. Don't fall for this propaganda, I'm kind of disappointed in a lot of people who are regularly posting it, tbh.

Literally doing the work of the government for them, during a time of crisis. Why? They're certainly not libertarians, that's for sure.

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[–]asg101 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (17 children)

There are a lot of sick people that love the taste of boot leather on their tongues. And the aroma of a holster heated by a recently fired gun. Saidit seems to be drawing more of them every day.

[–]Chipit 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Johnathan Haidt's research addresses your bigoted opinion.

His explanation: the two tribes have different moral palates. What for conservatives counts as moral touchstones -- loyalty, respect, and sanctity -- gets perceived by leftists as profoundly negative traits. This is the source of your completely ignorant "boot leather" comment. Here's his TED talk on the topic: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

After mucking around in a lot of survey data, he came up with this basic idea: People of the left underpin their politics with moral concerns about harm and fairness; they are driven by the imperative to help the vulnerable and see justice done. Conservatives and people of the right value these things as well but have several additional moral touchstones — loyalty, respect and sanctity. They value in-group solidarity, deference to authority, and the protection of purity in mind and body. To liberals, those sincerely held values can look a lot like, in Dr. Haidt's words, "xenophobia, authoritarianism and Puritanism." This asymmetry is the fountainhead of mutual incomprehension and disdain.

One of the most telling discoveries was that conservatives tend to be curious about what liberals think and why, while liberals see conservatives as inferior "other," inherently incapable of thought.

http://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/ When faced with questions such as "One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenseless animal" or "Justice is the most important requirement for a society," liberals assumed that conservatives would disagree.

The entire problem is treating other people as The Other, as detailed in this influential essay. http://archive.is/QRJ6m

Haidt's experiments ask liberals and conservatives to fill out questionnaires about their values, then to predict how someone from the opposite tribe would fill out the questionnaire. He finds that conservatives are able to predict leftists' answers just fine and seem to have a pretty good understanding of their worldviews, but that leftists have no idea how conservatives think or what they value. http://www.aei.org/publication/liberals-or-conservatives-whos-really-close-minded/

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I can tell someone else wrote this comment for you Chipit.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Aei link doesn’t work. Plus you failed to point out generational differences between liberals and conservatives that have much to do with their disagreements. Conservatives technically value the same things that liberals do but liberals are dynamic in their quest for it while conservatives have a static definition. It takes a powerhouse authoritative figure to move conservatives and by god when it happens, it can be a game changer. Like now! It is a sight to behold!

[–]Tigerbitecrazy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While that is really interesting (saving some of those for later research so thank you) either side you sit on you should still be upset about what the police are doing. The whole left/right thing just seems to be a way to further divide us so we don't come together and throw their sorry butts to the curb so we can do what's truly best for the USA and it's population.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not, though. The left/right divide is a fundamentally human personality difference. You're correct; we should unite against the elites. But the left doesn't recognize the right as fellow human beings. The elites cackle at the useful idiots and use them to take ever more power.

The thing with the police is that the left cannot distinguish between legitimate authority and illegitimate authority. It all looks like fascism to them. And when the right says, we should respect legitimate authority because society runs better that way, we look like the most evil nazis to them. They thrive on knocking down barriers and destroying things, and rarely stick around afterwards to face the consequences. It's the breaking they like, not the building again after.

Things are worse than they've ever been. The left is blaming the right for all of society's problems right now and is having a temper tantrum. If it gets better, it won't be for another generation. And frankly, with the schools turning out indoctrinated, demoralized people who have never heard dissenting opinions, I don't think it will get any better. One only look at Mao's China which did the exact same thing. It took 40 years and dozens of millions of dead before Deng Xiaoping said, "You know what? This doesn't work and is bullshit, let's try something new." And even he was heavily opposed and only barely won, and even then because people stood to get rich.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, I wonder what percentage are actual random people, and what percent are paid or working for someone. Because there's definitely groups that try to make this place in to voat, which goes against our original vision for this site, and we've had to remove some in the past. Virtual-informational agent provocateurs, essentially

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem with voat was just a straight infiltration from many angles. Lol that place got rocked by all sorts of malicious forces for years. This place, nah it’s probably just honeypot.

[–]asg101 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Luckily we have the block-user option (THANK YOU). I normally like to hear all points of view, but when it becomes obvious someone just wants to post fascist crap, they can fuck off and get blocked.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

HOW do we block people though? I keep looking for it... There's a certain individual...

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

taste of boot leather

You talk like an Antifa idiot. Ironic since these riots are being pushed by Antifa, along with claims of racism. Just like BLM is a Democratic organization who's primary purpose is to race bait in order to crate a divide between white and minority people in order to get minorities to vote Democrat, so too is Antifa a Democratic puppet created to attack capitalism and champion the socialist policies of the left.

It is BLM and Antifa who have turned this protest against police violence into a race war, and just in time for the elections.

[–]asg101 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is only called a race war when POC start to fight back, otherwise it is business as usual. Just like class warfare is only called that when the poor start to fight back.

You talk like a pig-licker and a shill.

[–]d1a1488 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, it's always a race war. When you have two or more groups of people with HUGE biological and cultural differences that live alongside each on one territory there will INEVITABLY be infighting due to conflicts of interest! And what the fuck are you fighting back against?!

For every 10,000 black people that are arrested, 3 are killed.

For every 10,000 white people that are arrested, 4 are killed.

Black people (13% of US population) are responsible for 56% of murders, and 78% of all violent crime.

When it comes to interracial violent crimes, black people attack white people 10 times as often as white people attack blacks.

If anyone should be protesting it should be white people that are constantly demonized in all spheres of media and education. And if we did, we wouldn't be protesting by ATTACKING INNOCENT PEOPLE, LOOTING THEIR STORES AND BURNING THEM DOWN!!! But I guess I'll let the joggers do the jogging, amirite?

You can research this shit for yourself, nigger/nigger lover. But I know you won't, because it contradicts your fairytale reality.

Niggers are animals that are incapable of living in civilized society. Just because 1-2% of them are functional humans doesn't make the rest any less chimplike.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://i.imgur.com/HO0sRMi.png

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Chipit (Chipshit) is a confirmed shill.

It's a decisive nuisance account.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's a decisive nuisance account.

I try to ignore both Canbot and Chipit, it is almost always some delusional rant about "IQ science"

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's are numerous shills here.

They're probably planted here to push away reddit refugees.

[–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Push them away in what way?

[–]HiddenFox 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well said and IMO very truthful.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. This really is information warfare. People need to be on their toes.

[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've been thinking the same thing, and I think there are a variety of factors at play (for the ones that are not outright paid provocateurs.)

One that seems prevalent is the weird combo of Stockholm Syndrome and an unwillingness to see one has been duped by the people and institutions one trusted or took for granted (abusers.) Besides the obvious reasons for police violence apologism, I think this one is widespread--it does take some strength of character to admit you've been duped, and to then feel and express the appropriate outrage. The Stockholm Syndrome part compounds it by being so identified with the mindset of your abusers that you can't even see the insanity you are upholding for them, it actually seems justified and reasonable; and since your abusers are the ones you perceive to be your protectors, seeing it any differently creates the anxiety of loss of security and, in a very perverse way, love.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One that seems prevalent is the weird combo of Stockholm Syndrome and an unwillingness to see one has been duped by the people and institutions one trusted or took for granted

"It's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him he's been fooled" - Upton Sinclair

And Americans have huge egos too, and a strong ego won't let you believe you'd be tricked so fully.

I agree with the stockholm thing, it in our media too. Ideas defending the institiutions abusing us surround us like a fish is surrounded by water. We almost can't imagine a world without it because we're so neck-deep in it. It does takes some psychological strength and independence to hold a coherent ideology these days, because the media presents information as fractured pieces that don't fit in to a cohesive whole. It's up to us individually to take the 1000 puzzle pieces and put them together in to one clear image.

[–]The_Lear_Bluce_Ree 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can I hate both?

[–]Osiriskills88 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

So if it's about black lives mattering..does black cop lives matter? Or do black lives only matter when it fits the narrative?

[–]Osiriskills88 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And if its only about black lives matter, and only about black people being suppressed.. what color was the last president? When was the last time you saw a Mexican or Asian president? Hmmm..but if you say all lives matter, that doesn't mean anything to anyone in this movement huh?

[–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe many posters aren't in the US, so what they see in the news is about the riots and not about peaceful protests?

Mind you, the groups trying to bring this to Europe aren't exactly peaceful. Here is an article on what happened in Athens where local shops were again destroyed as part of the "protest", it's in Greek but you can see the date and the photos:

https://www.ethnos.gr/ellada/108860_epeisodia-stin-poreia-gia-ton-floyd-12-prosagoges-spasmenes-bitrines-sto-kolonaki

Anyway, in such a dilemma, I would prefer a world without police brutality and without mob violence.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

without police brutality and without mob violence.

I think almost everyone would prefer that world, that's why the peaceful protests happened in the first place!