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[–]babygeitje 52 insightful - 14 fun52 insightful - 13 fun53 insightful - 14 fun -  (2 children)

Why don't you head over to Reddit then? Seems like would feel right at home there.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 13 fun17 insightful - 12 fun18 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

They would feature too heavily on /r/iamverybadass.

[–]SaidOverRed 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I also loved the low effort. Like, EndlessFlowers gave no reasons why leftism is bad. Just bitching. But wait, wasn't that the first part? And isn't the purpose to separate those 'othered' people who complain about it ... exactly like the 'focus on division' complained about? I don't just agree with the good trolling. It's ironic trolling.

Also have no idea what protestors (sic) are being referenced. Is this another "BLM are just peaceful protesters" propaganda blurb? Or maybe OP is a psychopath and didn't mind the story about that infant being shot and killed by BLM/antifa recently. Us 'white supremacists' shouldn't be angry when a black child is murdered, I guess?

[–]King_Brutus 36 insightful - 4 fun36 insightful - 3 fun37 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

This is a nothing statement, you aren't refuting any points or making any points to be refuted.

Anti white racism is the only publicly acceptable (and often encouraged) racism nowadays, and the "protesters" are doing nothing but looting and assaulting while if you speak against them you're racist.

[–]scrubking 27 insightful - 16 fun27 insightful - 15 fun28 insightful - 16 fun -  (0 children)

Found the commie

[–]Zapped 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Then stay above it. I know you're venting, but you're also falling into the same line that you're venting against here. I come from a different political point of view than you, but I do enjoy your posts. I think they are positive to this site and discussion in general.

This site draws posters because it gives them a soapbox for their opinions (and frustrations), so we tend to hear extremes as much as reason. Some, who have trouble in real life communicating with others, use this site as a way to let others "hear" them. Just remember that there are many more people who read than post or comment. They are looking for information and most are smart enough to sift through the garbage and truth twisting (or lies). Everyone also has a voice here, whether we agree or disagree, They have a voice whether or not we think it's shitty.

[–]yayblueberries 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

OP is another person who has been taught their whole life that people are not okay if they don't see the world the same way they do. So many people are brought up to WANT echo chambers. They are taught that VIEWING things differently is BAD while being taught that diversity is good. No wonder people are so confused and angry.

I hope people like OP and people who agree with OP realize they have some indoctrination, mostly from crappy school, to get rid of. I'm so bored with people who get buttmad because I say something that, while they don't agree with it, doesn't even affect their day-to-day life.

[–]SNCA_Furweeb 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

OP is actually just a troll. He hasn't responded to any of the comments.

[–]hfxB0oyA 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hear, hear!

[–]GConly 19 insightful - 9 fun19 insightful - 8 fun20 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

Well then fuck off to somewhere you like better.

[–]UnexpectedTransmissi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP complains about people complaining

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 10 fun13 insightful - 9 fun14 insightful - 10 fun -  (15 children)

Fuck you too, guy. Go back to your corporate sponsored leftist shill echo chamber.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

See, that kind of reply is a problem. You believe in free speech, fine. I do too. But why throw insults as the first thing you do replying to somebody you disagree with? What does that accomplish?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

OP said "fuck these people", I was responding in kind.

See, that kind of reply is a problem.

Then go back to plebbit you soycialist snowflake. You obviously don't care about free speech if you're actively trying to police it. Pathetic.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

SHITFUCKNIGGERKIKESUCKMYDICKYOUTRANNYFAGGOT

See? Free speech! Yay!

But what does this contribute to the discussion, you know?

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I suppose venting? Same as the OP, really.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You just might be missing the point of my post?

[–]Wahwah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see your point.

'Get outta here' is not never conducive to a healthy discussion, having said that I don't think OP was looking for one anyway.

[–]RedditExPat69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

there's no "discussion" happening. It's some dipshit left-wing antifa-loving liberal from reddit, showing his IQ in the OP. Those things don't deserve civility nor respect.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am surprised at the nature of his post, since he has been here since the beginning, and has contributed many good links to the site.

[–]unUSEFULidiot 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Horrux is a fag. Don't waste your time engaging that loser.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Anyone unironically using 'soy' and 'snowflake' in a conversation is undoubtedly a massive limp dick turd. I bet you are the kind of abject loser who posts on 4chan thinking they are being 'edgy'.

Grow up.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Stay triggered

    [–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

    Hi. I liked your posts.

    There are a lot of far right trolls, that just entered this site.
    I hope they will grow up, someday.
    But they focus on division and emotional reactions.
    In that sense, they are just as stupid as the groups they oppose so much.

    I want to keep different opinions and ideas on this site.
    Otherwise we are creating too much group think.
    But indeed there may be more cooperation, instead of division.

    It is easy to cooperate against a single enemy, like the extreme violent left,
    or reddit/google as tools for political interference.
    That is what brought people to this place initially.

    Instead I would like to start a community where we have
    more cooperation instead of division.
    Maybe "some basic respect" for each other's ideas and opinions.
    And being able to do some discussions about it.

    "some basic respect" means that if you like communism or like porn or like guns,
    that you can still talk about your preference without being attacked for it.
    If you want to "enforce it" onto someone else, that is something completely different. And sadly this is what some people in the trans-community are doing, for example.

    Same is with feminism, patriarchy, religions, etc.
    You are allowed to have your own style of living.
    We can also criticize some practices that are in that,
    but everything can be done with freedom and "some basic respect".

    Due to the continuous propaganda by the extreme left,
    we can expect some extremist opposition. I see that stuff clearly on Voat.
    It was a normal site like this in the start.
    Now they try to blame everything on jews and n*, because they
    react to the continuous lies that they are fed with.

    I also think that some nazi ideas on voat are pushed by Israel's ADL
    in an effort to ban the site from the internet.
    They use the same tricks as AHS.
    People on voat just take the bait too easily.
    Here, there is some censorship (pyramid of debate).

    As a solution I would like to upgrade Saidit's pyramid of debate to:
    "have some basic respect" or
    "be excellent with each other".

    [–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

    With that upgrade of "have some basic respect",
    many posts and replies here would need to be removed.
    Note: This is not necessary for jokes or when it is really a part of the discussion.

    The level of "decency" can of course be discussed.
    And is different per subject.

    As a moderator on reddit I had many trolls,
    due to the misunderstanding of the topics.
    And the discussions only started improving when I started to remove their trolling replies.
    I often added a reply to the person that was going too far,
    or if that did not work, I replaced his reply with the same thing without insults and such.

    Often people use logical fallacies to be able to oppose things,
    without actually saying anything useful.
    And this is a huge problem, not just on the internet,
    but in our media and in much of our science.

    This also causes division.
    And overcoming division is only possible
    by NOT doing the things that caused the division.

    [–]Dragonerne 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

    As a solution I would like to upgrade Saidit's pyramid of debate to: "have some basic respect" or "be excellent with each other".

    No. Never do that. It is too vague and will be misinterpreted by moderators like the ones on r/Denmark or r/Europe.
    "Basic respect" is like "Hate speech" laws. It doesn't work.

    Pyramid of Debate is perfect because it is about the argument. It absolutely destroys leftists because they always derail, deflect, insult etc.

    "Basic Respect" will be abused sooo much by leftists. They did it so much on r/Denmark that it even became a meme (https://i.imgur.com/ayG2gUJ.jpg). "Sænk Tonen" (= lower the tone, danish expression), the bottom text says "En lille smule betyder en hel del" (= just a little can make a huge different). In english you have the word "Thought police" (tankepoliti in danish) but we also have the word "Tonepolitiet" which is like the "Tone police".

    [–]SheSellsSeaShells 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

    Imagine thinking that expecting basic courtesy is exclusive to the left.

    [–]Dragonerne 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    Please tone down the attitude.

    You're ridiculing me. Are mods even seeing this? Why can't we have a civil discourse with basic respect between the users.
    Lack of basic respect between users has really been a problem lately and mods are not doing anything about it at all. It's really ruining the mood in the subreddit and creating a lot of bad vibes and negativity.

    It's always in these kinds of threads too. Are you on some discord brigading the threads and coordinating these hostilities?
    Etc. Etc.

    Trust me the Tone Police is real and you completely missed the point of my comment. It's not that "expecting basic courtesy is exclusive to the left" at all. In fact rather the opposite actually.

    As I also wrote in my comment, leftists love to throw insults and so on. This has nothing to do with "basic courtesy". It is about power and control over what you're allowed to say.
    They will abuse such rules massively because they are vague.

    They will twist "basic respect" to disallow specific words, to ban users that "trigger" others by writing "mean comments" etc.

    And they will ban you with a straight face quoting their "basic respect"-rule while insulting you for being a bad human being.

    [–]SheSellsSeaShells 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Bad faith ^

    [–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Please read the entire comment.

    [–]SheSellsSeaShells 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    I did. You're equivocating genuine good decorum with tone policing, and the two aren't the same. The OP is advocating for the former.

    [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    It's possible that tone policing in english is not the same as tone policing in danish.

    What you wrote "Imagine thinking..." is clearly meant to ridicule me - not that I care. The tone in your comment is condescending. This is the way it was used in by leftists and you're absolutely right that it's bad faith but that's how leftists are. They don't care, they just don't want you to express your opinion if it contradicts theirs and they will happily lie or use power to silence you.

    Is it "genuine good decorum" to ridicule someone? Couldn't you have phrased your comment in a more polite manner where you said the same but didn't ridicule me in the process? --- do you see how this works? They will gladly abuse vague rules by moving definitions.

    OP is not advocating for any of this, but leftists will gladly misinterpret the meaning of "basic respect"

    [–]SheSellsSeaShells 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Yeah, I could have been more polite. I was just ribbing you for your initial comment because I’m someone who is economically left and I don’t think generalizations really help anyone find truth. I do see your point on people abusing systems to their own advantage, but I don’t think that means we should abandon any effort to be courteous and open-minded.

    [–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Precisely, the moment your 'feelings' become thoroughly involved in the debate, the debate is flawed. That never suggests you abuse is permitted in debates either. If someone abuses you ad hominem, they are definitely not looking for a rational debate.

    [–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I understand what you mean. That is why I used "quotes".

    But how would you define it, or do you think it is impossible.

    [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, I think it is impossible. When I saw the Pyramid of Debate I really thought it was ingenious, because it allows you to be able to debate as you see fit as long as you are actually doing it properly.

    What I noticed on r/Denmark is that the rule "Personal Attacks" was responsible for banning sooo many leftists. Pyramid of Debate doesn't allow personal attacks too.
    The other rule "Hate Speech" was responsible for banning so many right wing users that it's not even funny. The most hilarious examples were some users that the mods hated and then they would "misinterpret" sarcasm or irony, you know if the user wrote one thing but meant the opposite. So they would write like "Yeah, it's totally because they're foreigners [Disclaimer to mods: This is sarcasm]" which mods would then use as if the user actually meant it... Meanwhile you had leftist comments calling danes "pigs" or "potatoes" or "pig skinned" or the likes to which mods always answered "Yes, we treat each comment based on the context". That one is a meme too btw. "Moderation baseret på kontekstTM". (Context based Moderation). If you send a modmail to ask them if "This sentence" breaks the rule,, they will always reply that they don't moderate hypotheticals and only deal with concrete comments. 100% biased moderation.
    It got worse though. Nowadays they just ban the users if they link the wrong things or say the wrong things.
    Discussing race and genetics by linking studies is not allowed there. They will just ban you.

    Here they can't do that because it would be the top of the pyramid even if it is so-called "Hate Speech"

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I like it.

    [–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Here is an example of discussing controversial topics, in a good way..
    Steven Crowder -
    Black Lives Matter is a Domestic Terrorist Organization | Change My Mind
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/yITK_Bm78mI/

    [–]Velocity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    As the devils advocate: Is Voat correct in their collective beliefs? If not then why?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    After much research on a lot of these topics, it appears that the "middle-of-the ground" voat consensus is absolutely, factually, correct. I used to love Voat, but now I worry it has become a honeypot to spy on people who know "too much" truth and reality. The "dangerous" (to the subversive subhumans) people.

    And then there's the violent-minded trolls who seemingly can't understand the difference between "one nation, one people" and outright genocide, those who think blacks are the problem and not admixture, and so on, and so forth.

    [–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There is no collective belief, but a group of people on voat post extreme right ideas,
    and these seem popular based on upvotes.

    This is not balanced at all, in my opinion.
    I think that the extreme right is just a small group, mixed with some trolls.

    [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

    Yeah, let's turn this into Reddit 2.0, where talking shit about white peepo is the main topic. Reminder: practically everything in common use, starting with your computer, the electrical service, and the internet, was invented by white peepo.

    [–]wizzwizz4 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

    I didn't know that Al-Khwarizmi (inventor of the algorithm), Banū Mūsā (co-inventors of perhaps the first programmable machine), Ismail al-Jazari (inventor of the first programmable computer), Pāṇini (whose work on formalising Sanskrit linguistics formed the core principles of BNF), Percy Ludgate (inventor of the second type of Analytical Engine), Wang An (co-inventor of core memory), Sasaki Tadashi (inventor of the single-chip CPU, and who took some unnamed female software engineer's 4001 / 4002 / 4003 / 4004 model from the local university to Intel), Shima Masatoshi (designer of the aforementioned 4004), Manuel Blum (inventor of axiomatic computational complexity theory), Yogen Dalal (co-author of TCP) and Toh Chai Keong (inventor and creator of that "hotspot" thing your phone can do) were white.

    Guess I still don't understand this "race" you seem to be so obsessed with categorising people into.

    [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    They stole those credits from Jews, and you know it

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      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Jews made everything good

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Pretty sure he's being facetious!

      [–]OnlyforR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Banū Mūsā (co-inventors of perhaps the first programmable machine)

      No.

      Ismail al-Jazari (inventor of the first programmable computer)

      No.

      Pāṇini (whose work on formalising Sanskrit linguistics formed the core principles of BNF

      No.

      Percy Ludgate is white. Manuel Blum is at least half-white.

      Sure, for the rest. I'd gladly give you the list of white contributors, but it would be a little tiring to type out.

      [–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Pāṇini

      No.

      Seriously‽ The first one is probably just a curio, the second… you could argue somebody else would've come up with the idea, but "first inventor" is a significant enough concept in our culture that it has legal protection in over 50 countries…

      … but how can you say the founder of modern linguistics didn't develop the core principles of BNF? There are literally two differences between his grammar formalisation and BNF:

      • The definition's on the left, without a ::= symbol; and
      • It doesn't have a trivial one-to-one mapping between canonical representation and digital representation (i.e. you need to use a pen, not a keyboard, to write it).

      That's just utter ignorance.

      Percy Ludgate is white.

      Since when are Irish people white‽ The KKK, a white supremacist organisation, was anti-Irish (back when people used to take it seriously, anyway).

      Manuel Blum is at least half-white.

      He was born in bloody Venezuela!! Is it that hard to imagine that the inventor of the CAPTCHA

      I'd gladly give you the list of white contributors,

      The list? As in, everyone? I must admit, you'd find it easier, given how American and European contributors were better-documented (a Japanese uni student invented the ROM / RAM / LSR / CPU split, and we don't even know her name), but it'd still take a tremendous amount of research, and it'd take… well, I don't know how long the Saidit comment limit is now, given how long it's been since I've helped with the code, but certainly you'd need multiple comments.

      To get back to your original point… can you actually give an example of:

      practically everything in common use […] was invented by white peepo.

      I'd be surprised if you can find more than ten examples; most things in common use are the work of more than a single small team, and anything larger than five people probably isn't just white people (for whatever definition of "white" you're using), even in a majority-white area. Heck, even the original UNIX wasn't just the work of white men!

      [–]OnlyforR 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      ''To get back to your original point… can you actually give an example of:''

      That's not my original point, since as you can see, it was not my point, or my post, at all. However, a lot of things in use today are the creation of white people simply because a majority of human inventions were made past the 16th century when Europe shot ahead of the rest of the world. Murray's Human Accomplishments (2003) gives a good overview of this.

      It does not follow that the Irish were not considered white because the KKK was anti-Irish, assuming that's even true. You can find caricatures of Italians and Irish people in old newspapers, but from this it does not follow that the Irish and Italians were not considered white. For one Italians and Irish were both allowed to immigrate in a time where only ''free white men'' were accepted. Furthermore, anti-miscegenation laws dit not apply to Irish and Italians. If they had been considered non-white, anti-miscegenation laws would have applied to them, but they didn't. Finally, contemporary cluster analysis place Irish and Italians firmly within the European (or white) cluster, so there's no basis to think of Irish (or Italians) as anything but white, either from a contemporary genetics standpoint or from a historical standpoint.

      The ''Irish were not considered white'' is a meme propped up by leftist activists with the explicit intent of delegitimizing the white racial classification by making us think that people we consider white today were not considered white before, and so giving us the impression that the classification is heavily culturally loaded, and easy to change, when in reality, it's actually quite stable. The other intent is to use the successful integration of the now classified as non-white Irish and Italians as evidence that other non-white immigrants will be able to integrate successfully, which of course is no evidence at all, but is especially duplicitous when these activists themselves, in private, consider Irish and Italians to be white, and when they also know that pretty much everyone think of Irish and Italians as white. A short read on this subject, even though the author is a lefty : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/

      ''He was born in bloody Venezuela!!''

      ??? Lol. What do you think hispanics are? The populations of South America are mostly a mix of Amerindians, Europeans and Africans, some are more Amerindians, some are more Europeans, some are more Africans, and so on. Unless he's a full-blooded Amerindian or African, which he's clearly not, then he's white to some degree, and looking at him, it seems obvious to me he's mostly white if not fully white. I can't find any solid biographical info of him online, but signs points to him being mostly white, and certainly at least half-white.

      ''I'd be surprised if you can find more than ten examples''

      Yea this is correct, many inventions and scientific discoveries today are the work of small and medium teams, teams mostly composed of Whites, Jews, Asians, Indians and occassionally mixed people and Middle-Eastern people and rarely, but sometimes, Africans. This changes nothing about the disparity in contributions between the races and between individuals.

      This was not always true however, and many inventions and discoveries made between, say 1400 to 1800, were often the work of single individuals, many of whom were Europeans.

      [–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Unless he's a full-blooded Amerindian or African, which he's clearly not, then he's white to some degree,

      I'm going to ignore most of the rest of your post, because those parts are hard to argue with (either because they're right, like "a majority of human inventions…", or because they seems to be buried in a large structure of dubious conclusions that I don't feel like unpicking enough to give a coherent response, like "… to use the successful integration…" – though that might actually be true in the US; I've stopped keeping track of your incomprehensible excuse for politics).

      How much "white" do you need to be considered "white"? If any "white" ancestry makes you "white", then "whiteness" is infectious. That's how the US defined "Native American", iirc – unless both your parents were "Native American" (by their classification), you were instead "white" (or whatever – the important this is, the "Native American" population, according to the government, could only shrink without exclusive interbreeding; either way, cultural genocide).

      This changes nothing about the disparity in contributions between the races and between individuals.

      You haven't actually shown such a disparity. We should probably agree on some definition of each "race" (I'll go with yours, since you seem to have a concrete definition, but you'll have to explain it to me), but according to my general fuzzy idea of what a "race" is this is obviously false. (Now, it might be true in the USA, land of the free, where access to education is strongly divided along racial lines… but I assume you're accounting for such confounders.)

      This was not always true however, and many inventions and discoveries made between, say 1400 to 1800, were often the work of single individuals, many of whom were Europeans.

      And between, say, 600 and 1000, they were often the work of single individuals, many of whom were Arabs. Historically, invention follows the wealthy, with leisure time to spend on such things – often during wartime, but computer tech and maths aren't wartime occupations when they're purely intellectual endeavours.

      [–]OnlyforR 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Well the point about integration is that, as you know, Western countries, and esp. new world Western countries have accepted succeeding waves of immigration. The integration into general society of these immigrants is, presumably, important, because if individuals are not properly integrated society's health will suffer as a result. Now, if it was the case that an immigrant's race was a strong predictor of an individual's future integration, then trying to convince people that individuals who integrated successfully in part thanks to their specific race (say, race A) are in fact not of that race at all in order to convince people to accept immigrants from other races, would be a deceitful tactic, since it would make people think that being of race A does not contribute to an immigrant's ability to integrate, when in reality it would be a significant factor, and so this might convince people to accept large amount of immigrants of different races (say, race B, C,) who might not be able to integrate well at all in part because they are not of race A.

      Now, regarding the definition of ''white'', I think you're making this more complex than it should be, and I suspect this might be because you've internalized leftist historiography of right wing racialist ideas (like when you mentionned that Irish are not white). Nobody here, I'm pretty sure, agrees with the ''one drop rule'' or think that if you're 1/18 white that suddenly makes you white. Clearly, if a thing is made up of two or more than two parts, for you to consider it mostly made of one part, that part would have to represent 50%+ of the thing, right? And ideally, something in the 70-80% range, correct? If you ordered a custom-made table, one half made out of birch wood and the other made out of oak wood, you would probably simply describe your table as half-oak and half-birch, but if it was 60% birch and 40% oak, you might be tempted to call it a birch table with a good portion of oak wood in it, and if it was 85% birch and 15% oak, you'd probably call it a birch table with some oak wood in it. So to be considered simply ''white'', you'd minimally have to be 50% white, and probably everyone would agree you were white if you were 85% white. There is some interpretative wiggle room here, but it's not much, clearly nobody can think of you as mostly white if you're 10% white, and basically nobody would consider you non-white if you were 90% white. So is Manuel Blum white? I don't know, we'd have to look at his ancestry, but looking at him, he seems to be mostly white, and so he probably is. Unless you have access to his genealogical record, or you think his physiognomy doesn't seem European (physiognomy is an imperfect proxy for racial classfication, but it works well enough), then you'd have to agree with me here.

      ''You haven't actually shown such a disparity''

      In terms of scientific discoveries and inventions? Well, no, because to conclusively show that would be an herculean task, but I don't have to be held to such a standard in the context of this discussion. It's common knowledge that some places were hotbed of civilization and some places not so, that Europe shot past everyone else starting from 1500 (and according to Comin, Easterly, and Gong (2010), Europe was actually not lagging behind the Middle-East during the Middle-Ages) and that this resulted in a majority of today's inventions and scientific discoveries resulting from the work of white Europeans, simply because many more discoveries and inventions were made during 1500 to today than were made before that point, even if you added up everything up, at a time when Europe became world dominant.

      Now I'm not too sure what this reply chain is about ; if it's about European contributions to science and technology, then it's basically uncontroversial to say that they're very important generally and especially so starting from the 1500s, where Europe became dominant, and I think you'd basically agree with me here.

      If it's about what the alt-right thinks of race, you can read stuff from here http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com or here https://www.unz.com/jman/hbd-fundamentals/.

      [–]Riva 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

      Commie low life should fuck off

      [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

      go back to reddit

      [–]EndlessSunflowers[S] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

      I don't really give a damn what anyone thinks or what gets them thru the day, as long as they're not shitty people.
      But time and time again there are shitty people posting from a place of hate towards others that are not like them.

      [–]RasputinsDong 17 insightful - 8 fun17 insightful - 7 fun18 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

      "I don't really give a damn", well your post seems to scream the opposite. If you didnt give a damn you wouldn't post this.

      [–]suckitreddit 14 insightful - 6 fun14 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

      EndlessSunflowers, you're a dumb asshole, because you're a hypocrite, and you don't even know it. You're talking about how we're all hateful, and saidit sucks, but at the same time you're being a total fuckstick. Then get the fuck out of here. What do you want? Who invited you here? If you want a leftist website, then there's a million websites available for you. We have one small corner on the internet, and that's a problem for you. Focus on something else. You're the one who's a loser.

      [–]yayblueberries 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      This comment is a form of virtue signaling, it says, "I'm superior to everybody because I think I'm not hateful at all," while being an extremely judgmental comment.

      [–]RightousBob 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      Should we censor them? How about we ban their accounts? Grow some thicker skin or slither back to reddit.

      [–]bald-janitor 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

      You are shitty people

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

      He doesn't have a GF, but at least he's not an incel!

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      posting from a place of hate towards others that are not like them.

      that is the essence of your post, lol

      [–]Klondike 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Calling out people for being cunts isn't hate.

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      OK boomer

      [–]Klondike 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      OK woke fourteen-year-old

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I am 15, and kinda sleepy. I also like to play with my pee-pee

      [–]america_first_1776 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      What makes someone concerned about the interests of whites a shitty person?

      [–]dtyrdytdytfdytfytfcy 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      before you leave, be sure to check out my bitches on /s/lesbians !

      [–]bald-janitor 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

      Leave then

      [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        He adds a lot of quality content. That is not the issue. I both agree and disagree with him, and I'm wondering where his posting this comes from. I am curious.

        [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I think EndlessSunflowers has posted a lot of good quality content and got very little response to it, and that has got to get frustrating after a while.

          FWIW u/EndlessSunflowers, I enjoy your posts a lot, and usually uprate them after watching or reading.

          [–]Minedwe 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Be glad I don't know you in real life, I would make you feel even smaller than you already are.

          lol, sure you would bro.

          Go back to reddit if you want a bunch of cuck losers that sit around regurgitating woke points and saying "Bro everyone i disagree with is a nazi and an incel, laugh and upvote ples!!!!!"

          [–]Antifa 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          So woke. So powerful. So upvoted by those that can't fucking stand that people still have a place to say what the fuck they want.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

          Ok mr keyboard warrior.

          [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          As it turns out, good troll, 8/10

          [–]SheSellsSeaShells 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I agree with you, but you could have posted this more eloquently. I believe free speech is intended to elevate people. This should be a site open to all opinions and beliefs; as long as we can communicate thoughtfully and productively, then minds can be changed for the better. Troll posts and other toxic behavior (like name-calling and dog-piling) are antithetical to the purpose of this site, and more broadly to the purpose of free speech and liberty.

          Keep fighting the good fight, OP.

          [–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Well then, post stuff that you think will attract the "non-shitty" people. More viewpoints for everyone can only make this place better.

          [–]FormosaOolong 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          OP historically does a whole lot of this. Most of their posts are intelligent, thoughtful, and inspiring.

          [–]Captzapheart 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

          You are so correct.... Fearful little inbreds who refuse to see an obvious class war being waged on them, only seeing that which is different as "the problem".

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          White people don't have an inbreeding problem. The most inbred people in the world are Jews, Arabs and Pakistanis.

          [–]Captzapheart 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Sorry ... whatever you are selling I'm not buying!

          [–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

          /s/communist is available. Feel free to make your own sub.

          [–][deleted]  (28 children)

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            [–]Klondike 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

            Culture war? What "culture" does the right have to offer? Worshipping Coca-Cola? Doing meth? Shooting guns into the air like they're ready to jihad?

            The only culture the right has, AFAICT, is bitching and moaning about the left. If the left wasn't here, the right would have nothing.

            [–][deleted]  (26 children)

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              [–]Klondike 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

              You think peace is due to the right? You're kidding.

              And the rest of that paragraph -- again, you define the culture as"not left", the absence of globalism and the absence of Hollywood. The right's identity is based around the left and you further demonstrated that.

              Oh and this bit:

              globalist race to the bottom of misery and wages and exploitation of people/nations

              I fucking laughed. Those things are entirely the fault of the right, who are eager to give as much power as possible to corporations as long as it means the government has none, under the ridiculous pretense that this will somehow yield more liberty to individuals, completely forgetting that America was founded to escape feudalism.

              [–][deleted]  (24 children)

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                [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

                The real right isn't Trump. The real right lets Israel fend for itself.

                Read Michael Collins Piper's book totled 'Judas Goats.'

                [–][deleted]  (20 children)

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                  [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

                  Yup, a life-long former democrat who was bailed out by a Rothschild employee multiple times; who says absoluetly nothing about the Jewish bankers who have deatroyed this country with their debt/credit scam and stolen promissory notes, of which Trump appoints. A man who calls himself a neo-Hamiltonian and is a Latitudinarian constructionist who spits on the constitution and is far more lenient on borders and immigration than deporte in chief Obama and Clinton in the 90's.

                  Yes, that great, wonderful, ZioCon Trump. Trump wouldn't have many friends left to bail him out if justice was actually served for they would all be in jail for orchestrating 9/11.

                  Say hi to Jeff Zucker for me. And remember, the neo-liberal war on trump is a FAKE WAR ON TRUMP. Read up on Cass Sunstein's cognitive infiltration program. Trump is part and parcel of this ruse.

                  But none of that really matters because Trump is an EO of a corporation. Yup, the US is a legal corporation and when you vote you commit treason. You are now under the jurisdiction of the corporation, not common law.

                  [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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                    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                    There's no alternative when you relinquish your rights by contracting an EO for a federal corporation. There's only treason.

                    The major alternative doesn't talk about the illegal invasion (except in how to encourage it) and worse yet is openly anti-white.

                    They are playingn tou like a fool. Trump is only doing this to push nationalists towards Zionism. He has been far more lenient on immigration than any other president in the 21st century. Something radical lieftists (not liberals) don't seem to care about and something conservatives who voted for Trump are too in denial to comprehend.

                    The open Borders rhetoric is a scam. It is only perception management.

                    In the end your vote doesn't count. The electoral college corporation picks the president. Something Jefferson found quite annoying and anti-democratic.

                    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                    Yes but the other alternative actually stopped illegal invasion or at the very least was more strict such as Obama and Clinton. Trump has said what you want to hear but has done the opposite which tells you.......

                    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                    Trump's executive, certainly has dictatorial powers under "continued governance" policies, ie. Secret Presidential policy directives.

                    Same with the neocons under Obama and before that Bush.

                    [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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                      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                      Kabuki theater. The executive can do whatever they want under emergency powers where the constitution does not apply. And it hasn't for a very long time.

                      Now, you are partially right... but I don't think Trump really cares... seeing that he is a degenerate, was bailed out multiple times and hos best friends are the 9/11 perps.

                      Trump hangs out with some notorious Bolshevik Zionists and appoints neotrotskyist communists (ie. neoconservatives). The dumb Q-tier duginist narrative that Trump is playing some kind of 4d chess isnproposterous and just another way to distract people.

                      If these radical left you are talking about are neoliberal corporatists like Biden and Harris, the latter, hilariously I was told is a marxist, even though her husband is an investment banker, I have news for you: they are not commies and they are not marxists. CNN isn't commie network. They would glady scare their audience with WeatherUnderground stories as Anderson CIA Cooper did on multiple occasions.

                      The right who votes for Trump is brainwashed by cognitive infiltration. They actually believe that Trump will build the wall when he has been far more lenient on immigration than Obama or Clinton.

                      Look up Fitzpatrick informer for more information on Trump's ties to the USSR, ZioCons and pedophiles. He is part of the swamp, just as Biden is.

                      Voting is playing into the corporation.

                      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                      I will say this:

                      If Trump is somehow against neocons/neoliberals, even though his beat friends and lackeys are of this kind, who is he then for?

                      Well neocons are former trotskyite communists and interventionists for global revolution at the behest of Israel. Neoliberals like austerity and interventionism for geopolitical goals.

                      Kushner has the answer. Trump's handler, Roy Cohn is also another clue.

                      ZioFascism is the answer. Fascism mixed with Zionism and theocracy. Look at who backs Trump and Kushner. Theocratic hasidic Chabad-Lubavicthers of whom Kushner is a member.

                      Who backs Putin and Netanyahu and even the current Jesuit Pope? That would be Hasidic cabalist sects of Jews. Trump is a cabalist and was taught the Cabala as e admits in his book. The Cabala thinks non-Jews have lower souls than cattle.

                      [–]Klondike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                      The right was hijacked 70 years ago, so the right isn't really the right? I think now you're just trying to obfuscate things.

                      [–]Wahwah 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                      I would make you feel even smaller than you already are.

                      I feel threatened and triggered.

                      [–]KennyLogins 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      [–]Americansarestupid 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                      Saidit is a shithole.Full of white losers.It is clearly becoming like voat.

                      [–]Zahn 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                      You sound like one of the mal-contented lezzies at /s/lesbians that hate Americans.....

                      [–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Then make it not become like Voat. (I'm one to talk, having given up on that years ago because of a particularly bad week – but I'm still right; this sort of complaining ain't going to help.)

                      [–]antireddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      how bad white people are treated (with no sense of irony) how bad the protestors make them feel LOL etc

                      We just saw months of rioting over "how bad black people are treated", with no end in sight. We've seen mass censorship and blacklisting over "how bad jews are treated"(the ethnic group that is the wealthiest in human history, hows that for no sense of irony), but a few people bitching about continuous incidents like this https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/11/boy-5-shot-dead-point-blank-range-riding-neighbors-yard-13115566/ make you "LOL etc"?

                      [–]Drewski 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      We may not share the same viewpoints on many issues, but I appreciate your contributions to this site and diversity of opinions here. I am also not a fan of many of the things that are being posted here lately, though I agree with magnora7 that many of these are trolls and other agents trying to sow division and drive people away from the site. I sincerely hope you and others on the left continue to hang out here here, the last thing we want is for this place to become another voat.

                      [–]Narrator 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      And what do you have to offer? Just the other shitty side with talking points you're just repeating from some other echo chamber. How about we have some original thinking going on that is creative? Like instead of lamenting the end of the 60s and hippy communes, you reboot it with Burning Man.

                      There are a lot of little movements that are ignored because they aren't reinforcing some sort of high priority echo chamber. Reddit is 80% high priority echo chamber. There are little eddys of sanity outside the woke tsunami and that's what I come to saidit and elsewhere for.

                      [–]monkeytitz 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      “I would make you feel even smal” shut the fuck up Lmao im sure you would

                      [–]wrongthink 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Isn't this post an example of you doing the thing you're complaining about?

                      [–]whistlepig 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      You are those kinds of people.

                      [–]Nemesis 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      This is a great example of the worst elements of saidit. Puts up a low effort post insulting a strawman and ending with a childish threat of violence.

                      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      you only speak for yourself, big talker.

                      [–]Whuchurface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Why are you here if just to bitch?

                      [–]NiceDickBro 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      I eat ass

                      [–]nigger393 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      i'm so lonely

                      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      rofl, more like your just a shitty plebbit infiltrator shill rage mobber

                      [–]Leo_Littlebook 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Ah, however will I do without your eloquence? "Shitty". Good word.

                      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Meh, I sometimes visit this site here and there tbh.

                      [–]var_machine 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Just start blocking 'em.

                      [–]fruitjack 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                      that's because this place is now an official haven for all of reddit's alt-riech rejects. by the end of the year, full blown 100% nazi shitehole. with any luck who ever hosts this site will be alerted that will be the end of it.

                      [–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      😮

                      [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Cope nigger