I should be able to advocate my ideology.

zyxzevn · 2020-09-03T14:17:31+00:00

You are a Trojan Horse.
You can easily move to voat and actually have fans.
(note: there are just a few 100 people in the US wanting to promote this stuff)
So you are probably here to stop this website.

The ideology is forbidden in a major part of the world. It will cause black-listing of this site. And it will have consequences on hosting and such. And many legal consequences.

I don't think it is an ideology either, just like Antifa is not an ideology (nor is it anti-fascism). You can discuss some of your ideas on /s/debatealtright I think.

PrisonMike · 2020-09-03T16:00:53+00:00

If it was my platform, I’d want all views to have equality of opportunity to be heard. However, if this causes issues with service providers, I’m not sure what other options aside from banning exist.

Leo_Littlebook · 2020-09-04T08:55:31+00:00

Magnora's anti-Nazi policy is nonsense. Saidit obviously does permit the advocacy of "violence", when it's lawful or when it's war. Nor have I seen evidence that the Nazis advocated for the extermination of other races. There is better evidence for Australians, Chinese and Americans doing that, but you don't ban their iconography. The Holocaust is an obvious hoax to anyone who investigates fairmindedly.

If Magnora want to limit Nazi trolls, he should ban them for rules of debate violations. There are some NatSocs who would follow the rules, and they would improve the site. The majority of the Voat mouthbreathers would get caught by existing rules.

The reality is Magnora is a bit too scared of Jewish power, and a bit too indoctrinated with Jewish lies, to do that.

FediNetizen · 2020-09-03T22:44:12+00:00

Listen magnora7, you, as the administrator of a big internet forum are not supposed to let your personal biases come into play when managing content on your forum.

It's not a matter of personal bias. You are advocating for an ideology based in violence. If antifa started a sub where they advocated and coordinated violence they would get banned too.

If you are offended by a banner, you are a big snowflake. Therefore, I conclude this statement by saying that u/magnora7 is gay.

Really showing everyone what you're bringing to the table here. And the answer is: not much.

I am leaving the decisions in the hands of saidit users. Should I get banned or should I not get banned?

First off, your use of future tense just shows how delusional you are. You have already been banned. Additionally, your use of "leaving the decisions in the hands of" makes you sound like one of those sovereign citizens that believes they're only subject to the rules if they personally agree with them.

Finally, as has already been said, there are websites that accept your ideology (Voat, /pol/, Gab, etc). Presumably the reason you don't want to use them is that you know they're shitholes, but that's generally what happens when a website has no content moderation policy. That's just the reality you have to contend with if you want to advocate for an extremist ideology like Nazism.

Questionable · 2020-09-03T21:40:16+00:00

Oh, I am so very concerned. Anyway͚̣̯̖̲͇ͅs...

scrubking · 2020-09-03T22:28:33+00:00

You sound like a leftist trying to infiltrate this forum and bring it down.

Chipit · 2020-09-03T19:18:28+00:00

It's not you, it's the fact that your stuff gets pointed to to try and get this whole site banned.

In fact, I rather doubt your a natsoc at all. Whining and complaining? That's a leftist tactic. Where's the rage and all caps I associate with the far right? You sure you're not one of those leftists engaging in a parody of what you falsely believe the Right thinks? Because there are more than a few of those on this site.

md_saidit · 2020-09-03T22:00:02+00:00

Meh. Nazis crying foul don't really concern me.

NorfolkTerrier · 2020-09-04T01:46:57+00:00

"Yeah, I support the Nazi Party. Well no, I don't (openly) support what the Nazis actually did because I'd get banned. But the uniforms were nice, hehe. Wait, I'm still banned? OPPRESSION!"

Poor you. Being banned by internet moderators is definitely the saddest thing that has ever happened as a result of Nazism.

Now that that's out of the way, there is an actual issue related to this kind of thing. I'm sure a lot of people came here because of free speech. I created an account here, in part, because of leddit banning things for no reason/stupid reasons. At the same time, if a forum's only/main appeal is absolute free speech, then a problem develops where it becomes only a place for extremist rhetoric, instead of a broad community of all kinds. Because people who are not alt-rightoids, etc. will see no reason not to just go back to Reddit, the community is doomed to fail as being a true public forum.

With that said, we did see Reddit slide from only banning actually illegal or violent content, to banning people for disagreeing with gender ideology or for supporting the current US President. If there are limits (aside from legal) on what can be posted here, they need to be consistent and established clearly. I think SaidIt should clarify what its overall sitewide rules are. As far as I can tell, all content based moderation is based on a few subjective lines about the "Pyramid of Debate."

I agree with removing violent posts. It's pretty hard to separate Nazism from violence. On the other hand, is communism banned? Huge death toll and all of its symbols are associated with violent regimes. Is racism banned? Is promoting something that sounds vaguely communist or racist banned? From whose perspective? Etc. I'm not saying there can't be a line, but that line does need to be defined.

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-04T22:18:12+00:00

Saying "/u/magnora7 is gay" is immature, unproven, and does not help your cause. Pointing out his hypocrisy and/or lack of strong evidence, etc. would have been your better play.

IMHO, the sub should be allowed, just as SJW and Antifa subs should exist to defend their ideas (except for violence).

IMHO, people should not be double banned if all they are doing is pleading their case.

In /s/whatever/comments/6bdf/why_did_both_my_account_and_my_subsaidit_get/, /u/magnora7 states: "a literal nazi, who advocates for the extermination of other races".

While the mainstream media has no problem lying and promoting this BS I should hope that M7 actually knows better on MANY levels.

1) The Holocaust is a series of exaggerations and fictional myths, depending what aspects you're referring to. Meanwhile we are not allowed to post in /s/Holocaust (a private sub) or /s/HolocaustSkepticism (a locked sub), neither of which started that way, but only /s/TheHolocaust which was started by someone promoting the MSM narrative.

2) There is a HUGE difference between trying to export (eradicate) all the Jews from Germany (true), and the "extermination", aka "Jewish Solution" (myth).

3) Just because you support someone or some idea (ie. Trump, NatSoc, Christianity, America, Green Party, Anarchism, etc.) doesn't mean you buy into EVERYTHING they purportedly or actually represent.

I could go on but this is already too tedious.

When M7 is weak, it makes SaidIt weak. I have mixed feelings about M7. I have strong feelings for SaidIt. To support SaidIt I will always support M7 to the best of my ability - but never at the expense of truth-seeking. This Holocaust and Nazi shit seems to be a weakness of M7's and therefore a weakness of SaidIt. I really hope this can be resolved soon and for good, properly, and strongly with clarity and transparency.

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whatever

MODERATORS

"WE DO NOT ACTUALLY PRACTISE FREE SPEECH. WEBSITE ADMINS CAN, AT ANY TIME LABEL YOUR IDEOLOGY AS VIOLENT AND KILL YOUR SUB AND ACCOUNT. ALSO, SNOWFLAKES CAN SPAM DMCA REQUESTS WHICH CAN LEAD TO A SUB GETTING BANNED BECAUSE OF THE HOST SERVER'S POLITICAL VIEWS. "

You totally destroyed me.

You have successfully and totally annihilated my argument.

You have propitiously and equally refuted my entire argument. My argument vis a vis your argument is very weak, therefore as a figure of speech, you have destroyed it.