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[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

So you want collectivism and tyranny of the majority. Mob rule is not a good idea.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I think you misunderstand, it is not mob rule that I would support, this has not backing of historical evolution of a legal process. We currently live in a society where law is decided as a collective, but through experience and understanding we come to what we believe is the best conclusion through ongoing case law or by jury, not by divine authority, to have developed localised legal systems that define what is right and.what is wrong.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Morality isn't subjective. It's pretty obvious even without divine authority, make a mutual agreement not to harm each other, and don't be a hypocrite. All religions admit this, from Christianity to Satanism to paganism and more, even if some of them add a lot more bullshit on top of it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Morality of killing an animal is subjective when talking with a vegan.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If they're conscious (99% chance) then I'd say it is objectively wrong. However there's not a whole lot you or I can do. If you don't eat them their meat will simply go to waste and their death will be in vain. I also think the way animals are treated is a much bigger problem than killing them for food.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

But the point is that we hold different values, there cannot be a definitive answer. The church would simply argue that animals have no soul, therefore the killing of an animal is deemed acceptable. While others would consider the act of any killing to be barbaric and sinful.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The church's scriptures clearly say that animals do have souls.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The consensus among the Christian denominations seems to be that, as Pope John Paul II said in 1990, animals do have souls. But they don’t all agree on whether or not they’re welcomed into heaven along with people. https://qz.com/311346/pope-francis-says-all-pets-go-to-heaven-but-what-do-other-religions-say/

And...

The Bible doesn’t directly address whether our pets will be with us in heaven Because we love animals, often the question arises, “will our pets be in heaven?” However, the Bible is silent on this question. It neither confirms it nor denies it. https://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/do-animals-go-heaven

I'm not sure about that. Biblical texts treat humans as not biologically related to animals, in that we were shaped by god and animals are just inferior creatures that know no right or wrong. If they had souls, would they not be mentioned as going to heaven?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is false. Both creation stories have humans alongside animals. Both animals and humans are given the same air of life and the same mind. Most religious websites are looking to make the Bible support traditional ideas, and they will ignore things that go against this. But Jewish ideas about life have always considered man as mortal as animal.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Then how is the eating of animals morally justified?