Why do radical feminists call their boyfriends and husbands Nigel? by stunaep in GenderCritical

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It stands for NIcest Guy who Ever Lived

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, that's not how it works. You can't use invalid polling techniques to come to any kind of conclusion. If the poll is badly conducted, the results could be similar to the actual opinion of the population, or it could be the opposite, you have no way of knowing.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Elliot Page has to be female in order to be a transman. Could Jason Momoa decide that he is a transman?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The polls you cite are invalid, because the people being polled are being lied to by omission. In order for any poll about trans issues to be valid, the people being polled must be informed that approximately 85% of transwomen choose to keep their penises and use them sexually, and that a large majority of transwomen are attracted to women. If the polls were honest about these facts, I can guarantee that the outcomes would be very different

All: Do you know trans people in real life? by peakingatthemoment in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Without thinking about it very much, I know at least six transitioning/ed transmen, plus the majority of the women in my extended social group make people call them "they" (not going to try to count them up, but there must be at least 20 ranging from good friends to people I know well enough to have a conversation with if we're at the same party). A handful of men who make people call them they, and I've met a few transwomen but not connected with them. I'm a Lesbian, and I'm involved in activism, (mostly unrelated to gender or sex based issues, it's not because I'm seeking trans people out), that's just how it is. I'm not out as GC. I avoid pronouns altogether in speech as much as possible but use their expected ones if it's unavoidable. Other than that, I treat them like everyone else. I prefer not to interact much with male people if I can help it, make friends with female people (regardless of trans status) whenever possible.

The first trans person I met was in highschool, about 1996. Someone told me in passing that she was trans and was going to "get a sex change" (as people said back then) as soon as she was old enough, and in the meantime people treated her more or less "like a guy," but of course she lived in a girl's dorm. I really didn't think about her much at all, everyone totally took it in stride and she didn't call attention to herself.

GC: What would you say to someone for who considers their transition to have been a massive improvement to their life and wellbeing? by pilf in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What kinds of truths are you asserting people should lose their jobs for acknowledging?

Do you think, for example, a science teacher should be fired if people in the community are upset by the idea that the world is more than 6,000 years old?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is getting more and more unpredictable! Kind of dadaist. Every comment at once a non sequitur and a cliffhanger.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So sex has absolutely nothing to do with bodies. Only with people mutually agreeing to be in a club together. So you have personally spoken to "Oprah, Laverne Cox, Beyonce, MJ Rodriguez, Rihanna, Jazz Jennings, Kim Kardashian and Taylor Swift" and asked all of them whether they mutually agree to be in a club with you?

Of the group above, and the group consisting of gc women, which kind of female is my cat?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, wow, so you consider a woman with different political opinions to not be the same sex as yourself?! That is the most bizarre thing I think I've heard yet from the QT side. And that's saying something.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gender is how you identify yourself. My gender is female. I share a gender/sex with Oprah, Laverne Cox, Beyonce, MJ Rodriguez, Rihanna, Jazz Jennings, Kim Kardashian and Taylor Swift. I do not share a sex with Lebron James and Elliot Page.

Wait, are you now claiming that gender and sex are the same thing?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lots of people. Obviously. As evidenced by everything from Superman to Buffy the vampire slayer to billions of dollars spent on sports leagues around the world to the existence of gyms, weightlifting supplements and videos, personal coaches, and an entire aisle in Target of exercise equipment. You really don't notice anything in the world except yourself, do you?

I myself am trying to get stronger right now. I used to be in quite good shape before I had a period of chronic illness. When I was at the gym doing overhead presses or whatever, I would notice that my shoulders looked good rather than my belly looked bad, which was very helpful for my self esteem since I'm kind of on the little teapot side. Also, I've just picked up an evening job taking freight off of trucks, and while it's true that we have pallet jacks for the really heavy stuff, almost everything on that semi we pick up with our hands and put on carts, and four hours of that is pretty tiring.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Super strength and speed, of course. Compared to a woman of exactly the same height and weight and level of general health, a man is absurdly strong. Add that to the fact that men are on average 5 inches taller and proportionally heavier.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

by a disability you don't have

Being a woman is not a disability but in that example I would only be using it after I had also made myself no longer able.

I didn't say that being a woman is a disability, but in a certain sense you could call maleness and femaleness each a disability in one area coupled with a superpower in another area.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jeez, you'd better never get into foraging. Edible plants/mushrooms vs poisonous lookalikes would be a real problem for you.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

people shouldn't be limited by their sex

This is our goal too. People shouldn't be limited by their sex. Women can take on whatever jobs, lovers, social roles, clothing, whatever, doesn't matter, none of it is forbidden to women. Same with men. None of your behaviors, personality traits, aesthetics, preferences, whatever, are wrong for a man to have/want/do/be. No one should be limited by their sex.

And we should have measures in place to make sure that people aren't limited by their sex- just like how we have accessibility and accomodations to help people with disabilities not be limited by them, which are not open to people without those disabilities, we also have accomodations and other measures in place to make sure people aren't limited by their sex. You going into a women's bathroom is like an able person parking in a disabled parking spot. The disabled parking spot is not to limit you, it is to prevent someone else from being limited by a disability you don't have. The women's restroom is not to limit you, it is an accommodation for people who would otherwise be excluded from society -look up how girls in some parts of the world are not able to go to school during their periods if you don't get why this is necessary.

Note that we don't allow accommodations for one group to get in another group's way. For example, we might add a sign language interpreter or captions to accommodate deaf people, but we don't require things to be only in sign language, since that would harm blind people. Similarly, I think you should have some sort of accommodations for your mental illness that makes you reject your sex, but it certainly should not interfere with the accommodations that make it possible for women to take part in society.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are uncomfortable with me being trans in the same room as them.

You mean, Are uncomfortable with you being male in the same room where they are exposing their genitals with the expectation that it is safe to do so because they believe there will never be any males there.

It's not the trans that's the problem, it's the male.

And it's not being in the same room that's the problem, it's being in a room where we specifically go to be away from males so we can take care of intimate bodily functions.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not to derail into a discussion of trauma, because my point in the previous comment is just that some things can't be changed, but: a major aspect of dealing with trauma is not making it other people's problem. Like, I'm probably just past the developmental stage where I could have learned secure attachment, so I'm probably always going to have fear of abandonment and so forth. But through the internal work I do, I'm able to decrease the amount that I hurt other people and blame it on trauma. This seems like the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish by transitioning. It seems like you're just trying to feel better yourself at any cost to others.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ofc sex is relevant but for me socially the sex I'm perceived to be is usually more relevant.

One of the major differences between men and women is that for women, our sex, the biological reality of our bodies, is much harder to ignore. It intrudes upon our attention all the time. We have to take it into consideration constantly. For men, their sex is much less salient. The main way sex matters for men is socially; ie, they are accorded all sorts of privileges based on their sex.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look, I'd love to go back in time and undo the trauma I experienced as a child that has had certain difficult effects on my life. I just can't. I can grow and heal myself to a degree, but I can't ever be the person I would have been if it hadn't happened. It has had permanent effects on my nervous system and my ability to attach healthily in relationships. I can develop workarounds, that's all.

I also can't be, say, the world's best gymnast, or best violinist. It's just too late. Even if I had had the potential for that, I would have had to start training when I was very young. I can't go back to when I was like, five and start learning the Suzuki method.

And you can't go back in time to when you were an egg and select an x-sperm instead of a y-sperm. Time goes one way, that's all there really is to it.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All sorts of things are impossible, what on earth are you going on about?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I'm 37 can I say I'm a woman then?

No.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's quite arrogant on your friends' part to consent to this in name of all women.

It's quite arrogant on yours to assume you speak for all women either?

That's not how it works. Consent/lack of consent is not symmetrical.

Say I consent to something. You get offended when I make comparisons to sexual activity, so I won't this time. Say I consent to being around you with no mask, but my younger sister does not. My consent does not make it all right for you to potentially expose her to COVID if she does not feel comfortable with you for whatever reason. I can't consent for her. But her lack of consent does mean that you can't come hang out maskless with the two of us. She is not "speaking for me," and it is not arrogant of her to withhold consent even if I would make a different choice in her absence.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tell me, who am I supposed to ask for permission to be a woman? You? Sorry but I've spent years asking and the only answer I ever get is that I can't, I get told to just be a gnc man, etc--basically impossible answers that I can't hope to adhere to without hurting myself.

Do you apply this logic to everything?

I've asked repeatedly for some of your French fries and you keep saying no, so I'm just going to take them anyway?

I've spent years asking the citizens of my town to put me on the city court, and they keep telling me no, so I'm just going to commit a coup?

I've spent years asking someone to have sex with me, and she keeps telling me that she doesn't want to, so I'm going to slip her a roofie?

Sometimes the answer is no. That doesn't mean you didn't ask enough times.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Have you watched Orange is the New Black? Laverne Cox towers over all the women, he isn't shaped at all like them, and he's got the voice and mannerisms of a "flaming" gay man. There is nothing the slightest bit woman-like about him.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So many people make do with chronic pain or other bodily issues that make life harder for them, why is it wrong to say we should work towards giving everyone the option to fix that?

Now you want to eliminate people with chronic pain? Seems a little inconsistent.

Is it exclusionary for the LGB Alliance to not include the T? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure people can be both trans and L, G, or B. That doesn't mean we need to stick trans under the umbrella. It's an orthogonal category. Someone can be Italian and L G or B, we're not going to make it an LGBItalian Alliance on that account. People who are same sex attracted and also wish they were the other sex or want to make others believe they are the other sex will probably benefit in some ways from LGB activism whether they agree or not, and whether they work for or against LGB rights, just as anti-choice women benefit from legal and safe abortion even as they work against it.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The polls you cite are invalid, because the people being polled are being lied to by omission. In order for any poll about trans issues to be valid, the people being polled must be informed that approximately 85% of transwomen choose to keep their penises and use them sexually, and that a large majority of transwomen are attracted to women. If the polls were honest about these facts, I can guarantee that the outcomes would be very different.

Meta: What can we do to stimulate more activity here? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's still easier to catch flies with honey

I have tested this hypothesis and it did not turn out to be true. Vinegar attracts more flies than honey does. Whiskey attracts more than either.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have to admit I'm kind of impressed that you're going for it. What wording are you using to say that you're looking for female people exclusively? I'm going to have a lot of questions about your experience! I hope you'll make a post.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For your safety, you should not use any identifiable information if you decide to try it. I want you to see what it's like out there, but I don't want you to actually get hurt.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will only credit polls asking people's opinions about trans issues if they ask the questions, then inform those taking the poll that more than 85% of transwomen keep their penises and still use them sexually, then ask all the same questions over again.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Genitalia is genitalia, regardless if it's a penis, vagina or something ambiguous.

Some genitalia are also a deadly weapon, especially in the US when we're on our way back to back alley coat hanger abortions, as many parts of the country are. You might spend a few minutes pondering the difference between a gun safely holstered and a gun being brandished in your direction.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, most trans people and their allies believe its OK to not want to date or have sex with anyone for any reason. Yes there are exceptions but for the most part most trans people will respect your boundaries if you don't want to date or sleep with them.

Wrong. Did you try the experiment I suggested for you?

What are your thoughts? Dementia care advice for transgender patients by peakingatthemoment in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women are more likely to experience early onset dementia after hysterectomy. Just to make it that little bit worse.

From Marilyn Frye's excellent essay, Some Reflections on Separatism and Power by Juniperius in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, any slightest indication that women intend to keep any part of ourselves for ourselves sends men into an absolute panic.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The movement as a whole is not doing this.

HAAAHAHAAHAHAAAHA HA HA hahaha

I dare you to make an account on any dating app, set it to "women seeking women," and mention in your profile that you're not interested in dating transwomen. Put it in the politest, most validating words you can come up with. Then come tell us how it went after a few days (or a few death threats, whichever is first).

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know about Canada, but in the US it's not quite 100%. Nonprofits are required to disclose information about their donors to the IRS. And there are ways for reporters, activists, hackers, etc to aquire some of that information as well.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh jeez, don't go to wikipedia for definitions, what are you thinking? Here's Merriam Webster:

1 now sometimes offensive, see usage paragraph below : sexual or romantic attraction to others of one's same sex : the quality or state of being gay

2 now sometimes offensive, see usage paragraph below : sexual activity with another of the same sex

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But you think that you, not being part of a marginalized group, do have the right to be hostile towards it?

Your beliefs and rhetoric (and now actions, you are telling us) are hostile to homosexual people. I, a Lesbian, who has likely been out of the closet longer than you have been alive, am telling you so.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you really believe this, try wandering up into the cockpit to chat with the pilot next time you fly.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, 100% I think that it's appropriate. In fact, I once had a job as a bartender in a gay bar. Bartenders took turns at the door, checking coats and so forth. A big part of my job was to say, "excuse me, you realize this is a gay bar, right?" when people came in who looked like they might not be aware of that fact. In order to maintain a gay-friendly space, you have to question random strangers in a public space. Doubly so if you want to maintain a safe space for females.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who the heck are you to tell r/AskGayBros how they should be modding their sub?!? You are not gay, nor a man, not by the real definitions and not by the TRA definitions. You think you have the right to invade the space of a marginalized community and insist that they should only be gay the way you, a heterosexual, think is an appropriate way to be gay? WTF is wrong with you?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that you believe that any of these examples come anywhere near to being in the same galaxy of bad or harmful as advocating for sexual assault against children is... telling.

All the gay bros say "drop the T". Downvotes and "queer" advocates claim otherwise. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like, if you're a cat-lover who's really upset about cats getting declawed, you're probably gonna have to campaign for that yourself. Regardless of whether dog-lovers should care about that issue, the fact is, most of them are probably aren't super interested or invested in this issue.

It's more like being a cat lover who's angry that dog owners are encouraging their dogs to chase our cats. Not really something the cat owners can solve without the cooperation of the dog owners.

QT: Do you regret any part of your medical transition? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like in that article they say the trainers and doctors already knew the risks and harm, so they already knew way back then? How does that get forgotten or ignored?

I expect it's because those athletes didn't have a magic identity, which obviously makes it totally different from giving the "correct" steroid hormones to trans people. If your soul wants testosterone, it will just instruct your body to accept it, and no health problems, see?

Seriously, we had a regular on the old sub who claimed that their body was "meant" to run on estrogen, that they had figured this out and began dosing themselves, and thereby cured all sorts of mysterious chronic health conditions that had baffled all the doctors.

Both: What do you think of Gender Critical Coming Out Day? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I can't think of any way to signal to the right people without also signalling to the wrong people.

Both: What do you think of Gender Critical Coming Out Day? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's interesting that someone laughed at this comment. I'm guessing it's because whoever you are, you enjoy the idea of someone you see as an enemy being in discomfort. But the reason I can't come out is because I am deeply embedded in leftist and "queer" community- I am an activist, I have friends who are trans, just about every woman I know makes people call her "they." I am literally friends with more than one gender studies professor at more than one university, like, go-on-vacation-together friends. You might consider the implications of this fact. This is an anonymous forum, after all- for all you know I could be one of your close friends, who signed up for your meal train after top surgery, or lived with you in that communal house a few years ago, or got arrested with you at that direct action, or babysits your kids. These are all real scenarios that I have been in in my real relationships with trans and non-binary people who I really love and care about, and align with politically on every topic except for one. And you wouldn't know, because if I was open about being gender critical I would be cast out of my community, and would no longer be able to do the work I do for unhoused people and immigrant communities and so forth. Just think about it. I could be anyone.

Both: What do you think of Gender Critical Coming Out Day? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Definitely not. I can't talk to anyone in real life about this. Which is actually kind of eating me up inside. I've been trying to think of some way that I could talk to someone, even just one person, but I don't think that's in the books right now.

Both: Where do you see the gender wars in 10 years? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

One thing I expect in ten or so years is that a lot of young people will see much of trans culture and especially non-binary as embarrassing old people stuff. Like, oh my god, my mom makes people call her "they."

Qt/tra, how does identity form? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you're claiming ladybrain it doesn't follow. In which case you should be honest about the claim you're making. "A structure in the brain that causes dysphoria" is a very different (and more plausible) claim than "my brain is ladybrain," leading to different conclusions and implications.

Qt/tra, how does identity form? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's probably part of the stereotypical view of femininity- women are weak and helpless, therefore if I want to see myself as a woman I have to imagine myself as being weak and helpless. I am but a dainty maiden tied to a train track, won't somebody help me.

Qt/tra, how does identity form? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure you do. It's very common as people get older and go through treatment for their therapist to say they "no longer fit the diagnostic criteria for BPD," for example.

Qt/tra, how does identity form? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wait, is dysphoria because of a brain structure or is it because of adults policing their children's clothing preferences? Or is it whichever is convenient for your argument at that precise moment? Or are you saying that the amount of white matter in the brain determines which clothes someone is destined to like?

Qt/tra, how does identity form? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If there are "structures in a Brain that make someone prone to dysphoria" then that's entirely independent of sex. That means that an alternate version of you that had been fertilized by an x-carrying sperm would have ended up just as desperate to be male as you are to be female, rather than having the perfect life you like to fantasize about.

Tra/qt how is ‘examine your genital preference’ not homosexual conversion therapy? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Student raises hand:

Teacher, what does "three" mean today? And what do you mean by "sides?" And what is "draw?"

Both: How would you define my sexual orientation? by theytookourjerbs in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you are arguing for a change you have to account for the harm caused by the change.

This is the logic that justified giving reparations to slaveholders instead of slaves after slavery was abolished. Taking away something you never should have had in the first place because you stole it from someone else isn't a harm that you need to be compensated for.

QT/Trans: What do the language changes actually accomplish? by loveSloane in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You know, everybody here already knows your views. It is not a good debate tactic to just restate them over and over. You have to convince us that your views are better than ours- they are more factual, or they will lead to a better world, or something else that might make people change their minds. As it is you aren't debating and you aren't accomplishing anything, unless you are only here to recite catechism.

QT: Is there such a thing as a man wants to be a woman? + 10 additional questions by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

'Adult human male or transgender female' 'Adult human female or transgender male' EZ PZ

An apple is a round fruit produced by a tree of the species Malus domestica, or a brand of computer. See, they're in the same group and if you don't put laptop pieces in your pie you're a bigot.

Both: Are sexual stereotypes about men and women in the bedroom true? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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Besides this isn't "sexism", it's because hormones make you go absolutely nuts. Think about a woman's most hormonal time of the month and multiply that by like 10x, and make it more angry, and that's what you have men feeling 24/7. It also makes them a lot stronger. If men and women swapped hormones I guarantee you that statistic would flip.

If this is what you think, how do you explain all the bullshit stereotypes about "women are too emotional to be president" etc?

Honestly if I believed this were true I would immediately start advocating that all males be either castrated or locked up, for the good of society. You should be glad that feminists think more highly of men than you do.

What is gender nonconformity to you? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Having better things to do.

What is astrological nonconformity to you?

Gender dysphoria doesn't exist by SexualityCritical in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You should probably go look up the word "genetic" before you try to have this conversation.

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You are so weird.

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cutting/not cutting hair is a little more complicated, though. Long hair requires a lot more care. I've grown my hair long a few times in my life, and I always end up chopping it off again because I get sick of the time it takes to keep it untangled and clean. When it's short, I barely even have to shampoo it. It's far less effort to have someone give me a trim every other month or so.

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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My view is that the animus that some people have towards those they perceive as or suspect to be homosexual is based on their revulsion towards the idea of persons of the same sex engaging in explicit sex acts with one another, & squeamishness about certain sex acts in particular especially when done male-on-male.

I think there's a second reason as well for men/boys to try to bully each other into masculinity. Traits considered masculine are mostly those associated with controlling other, "lower" classes of people. Men know that they are an oppressing class, and that they require all hands on board, so to speak, to quash uprisings. If too many men refuse to be dominators, then patriarchy will cease to exist, and men will lose out on the emotional, sexual, and domestic labor that they are accustomed to extract from women. I'm always a little ambivalent about the "patriarchy hurts men too, because man box" narrative for this reason. Yes, men are forced by other men to live up to masculinity, but it is a discipline that most of them take on willingly themselves and enforce on each other precisely because of the benefits it brings them.

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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For example, it is considered feminine to pluck your eyebrows. Which takes up a stupid amount of time, and is painful, and doesn't serve any purpose except to pander to the male gaze. If a woman doesn't want to pluck her eyebrows, people may consider that "masculine," when it may just be about not wanting to waste time on something that hurts and doesn't actually improve her life. There could be any number of examples like this. Femininity is often painful, time consuming, hobbling, expensive, etc. It's possible to not do anything active to make oneself look feminine, and also not do anything active to make oneself look masculine, and the result will often be interpreted by outsiders as being masculine.

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So being attracted to people rather than clothes? Two bodies together, this is a dysfunction to you?

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seeing, smelling, food is certainly part of the pleasure. Hard to do that while it's still in the package, though.

I think the food equivalent of what I'm talking about, finding display repellent, is not wanting to be on the plate.

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Otherwise we could have truly integrated sports. But that wouldn't make sense.

This isn't parallel. The point of sports is to push bodies themselves towards their limits of ability, to compete on the basis of inherent strength and ability. The point of most other activities is to accomplish some external goal, which is why we use tools, weapons, etc to extend the body in ways that make strength and so forth less relevant. This is why it's possible to cheat in sports, whereas if you come up with some clever way of making it easier to, say, move large amounts of dirt around a construction site, or conquer your enemies without brute force, people won't say, hey, no fair, that's cheating.

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

an excessive physical obsession

What does this mean?

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think sexual display are strong parts of masculinity and femininity.

I think it says something that I've been listening to you talk about this for like, four years and It only just hit me that you mean that you think most people get sexual pleasure from conforming to masculinity or femininity. You might consider that bare fact to be a counter argument on its own - the fact that it was such an unfamiliar and unimaginably weird idea to me, with no reflection in my own experience or anyone else I've ever talked to in my life.

Look, here's a metaphor for you. People generally like to eat, right? We have a biological drive to eat, and it is pleasurable.

Some people like to cook as well. It can be a sort of hobby. You can enjoy the anticipation, or the thought of sharing food with someone you care about, impressing someone, whatever. It's pretty common to enjoy cooking, but not as common as enjoying the actual eating, which after all has direct sensory pleasure rewarding fulfilment of a biological drive.

Not many people really enjoy grocery shopping. I do. I love wandering around the store, checking out the half price shelves, reading ingredient labels, smelling the melons. I'm aware that this makes me a bit of a weirdo. For most people grocery shopping is at best utilitarian, despite the association with food and the and the anticipation of a meal later on. At worst it's an awful chore. A lot of people I know absolutely hate it.

Sex is great. Biological drive, physical pleasure. The lead-up to sex, going on a date, or flirting with someone and getting a number or going home together, okay, there can be anticipation and so forth, but not everyone likes that part so much. Getting dressed up, that part I think is like grocery shopping. Like, you might have to do it if you want to cook and then eat a meal, but most people aren't finding it pleasurable in itself, it's just something instrumental that you've got to do if you want to get to the good part.

The entire idea of putting on a "sexual display," as you call it is actually incredibly repellent and stressful to me. I think many people are more casual about it than I am. Like most people can go into the store and say, well look, there are some good avocados today, while a few people are just getting stressed out by the whole experience. But I think it's rare to really enjoy that part, and it connects only tenuously through multiple steps of abstract connection to anything intrinsically enjoyable. I think this holds whether people are going along with the expression template that they've been handed, or the one associated with the other sex, or one that they're trying to make up as they go along.

US rapper Kurtis Tripp talks to Dennis Kavanagh about conversion therapy at 13, the pressure to identify as trans and his journey back as a gender critical gay rights activist by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

[–]Juniperius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The article says that the charge ended up being a misdemeanor, not a felony.

QT, if gender is innate to identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh! After all these years I think I get what you're saying. You think that masculinity and femininity are exhibitionism. And you think that all humans are exhibitionists. You think that practically all things that humans do, all the time, we do for sexual reasons. And not even in a way that I would sort of recognize, like "I do this to attract a partner so I can have sex," but more like, "showing myself to people in this outfit is sex." I knew you were preoccupied with your particular kink, but it just clicked for me that you think everyone is, all the time. How Freudian! I think it must be kind of exhausting to live that way.

Do you recognize the existence of non-sexual drives? Do we do anything, want anything, enjoy anything, that doesn't have a sexual thrill at the bottom of it? A drive to learn new things, to accomplish something difficult? Non-sexual relationships with family members and friends? A desire to be in nature, to commune with something larger than the self?

Are all displays sexual, in your eyes? In the context where I live it's very politically divided, and the culture wars are kind of everything. I'd say people are more interested in displays of tribalism than gender. If you only go by someone's clothes, cars with bumper stickers, wander through the house and see what they show on the walls and bookshelves, everything but the physical body in other words, you might have an easier time knowing whether they were "blue team" or "red team" so to speak than which sex they were. It could be different where you are, but your theory is no good if it has to pretend that your little corner of the world represents the whole of human nature.

GC: Do you think it's possible for there to be sex change, "male pregnancy", a third sex, etc, with the use of technology and genetic engineering? by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wouldn't a laboratory meat that tastes, looks, feels and functions exactly like natural meat be considered real meat?

Would a vegan eat lab meat? Depends on their reasons for being vegan, I guess. Someone who was only concerned with preventing the suffering of animals might be willing, someone who had, say, health reasons, or just didn't like meat might not. I suspect there'd be a range of opinions on lab genitals as well, no matter how indistinguishable they become.

The science of sexual conflict by theory_of_this in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One problem with evolutionary psychology is that it starts from actual differences between the sexes, and then suddenly extrapolates wildly without any good reasons or evidence. For example:

We start from the recognition that reproduction places more physical demands on women than it does on men. Pregnancy lasts more than nine months, and concludes with a dangerous labour, which is followed by many more years of breastfeeding and childcare. Men, however, only really need to expend the amount of effort it takes to orgasm in order to reproduce.

This is a true statement about bodies. So far so good. But then:

Our female ancestors had to bring up their children in a dangerous environment, which usually meant keeping a male partner around, both for material support and for protection from other men.

This does not follow. In fact we have some pretty good evidence that women used to raise their children in kin groups comprised of post-menopausal grandmother, adult sisters and maybe brothers, and juveniles. Most animals don't experience menopause; we take it for granted, but there must be an evolutionary benefit to it, or it would have disappeared from the gene pool in favor of having more offspring. According to the Grandmother Hypothesis, a woman who goes through menopause and stops having children, and then has some years or decades to help raise her grandchildren, has more descendants/is more evolutionarily successful than a woman who just has babies every few years until she dies. We have cross-cultural observations indicating that children around the world raised by a mother and grandmother receive more calories and are kept safer than children with a mother and mother's male sexual partner, regardless of if that partner is the children's biological father.

Another thing we have good evidence for is that cross-culturally, when men do take part in child rearing, it's really more likely to be their sisters' kids that they take care of, rather than their biological offspring.

Evolutionary psychologists take the obvious fact that a mother needs help to raise her kids and they pile on their own assumptions and decide that that means heterosexual pair-bonding. If they followed the evidence, they would come to no such conclusion. In fact, while the Grandmother Hypothesis seems better supported than the patriarchal hypothesis, neither is or can ever actually be proven, so anyone who cares the least bit about the scientific method would refuse to come to any conclusion at all.

All: Disclosure and Consent by loveSloane in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If transmen were male they wouldn't have to trans.

All: Disclosure and Consent by loveSloane in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I don't tell them "no, you're bisexual," because it's not worth the effort. But I roll my eyes and mentally put them in a box of "people I'm never going to try to have a real conversation with." The last few years have made me understand deep in my bones that people who want to live in their own little reality away from everything else are actually dangerous. Half a million people died last year in the US alone who didn't have to die, because of a pervasive cultural attitude that it's just fine for individuals to have their own alternative facts and alternative reality.

All: Disclosure and Consent by loveSloane in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe tell them you’re trans yourself, idk

Ooh, good idea! If you're a pre-everything gay transman whose dysphoria would be triggered by intimacy with other trans people, then I think you're allowed to have boundaries.

Alleged Trans incident at upscale LA Spa may have been staged by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, that's not parallel at all, because I'm pretty sure you would admit that racially based violence is bad. So: it would be a bad thing if it happened, therefore someone makes up it happening as a false flag, whether to make the other side look bad, garner sympathy, whatever. That's not contradictory. But in the Wi Spa case, the trans activist position is that it would be a good thing if it happened, therefore someone made it up as a false flag. Can you see how that is different from your example? Can you see how it doesn't make sense?

Gender dysphoria doesn't exist by SexualityCritical in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In general, if something can be found in the brain, clinicians will stop calling it a mental illness and start calling it a neurological disorder or something else.

Gender dysphoria doesn't exist by SexualityCritical in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Brains are plastic. They change in function, interconnectivity, and size of various areas in response to the environment and habits of the person. If the hippocampus is smaller in depressed people, it could just as easily be an effect of depression, rather than a cause. Furthermore, a) fMRI studies are stupid, they can find what appears to be brain activity in a dead fish, b) 24 study participants is insufficient to draw any kind of conclusion and should only be used to suggest that further study might be interesting, c) one study doesn't mean anything until it has been replicated, it's only when a mass of evidence starts to build up that scientists will begin to treat the hypothesis as being strongly supported.

How many of you were not on the Reddit sub and if not, how did you learn about this space? by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was there. I'd engage actively for a while, maybe a month or two, and then go back to lurking for a long time. I deleted my account when the mass ban wave went down. The existence of this dialogue is important to me. I could pretty easily go and engage with gc or tra spaces, but there aren't many where both are allowed to come together to argue it out.

All: What do you miss about the old sub? by womanual in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point about downvoting! I'd kind of already forgotten about that, but the constant threads complaining about it are not missed at all. I downvoted someone exactly once, for a pretty gruesome rape joke, but I guess I could have reported it instead. Although I'm not exactly the type of person to call the authorities, even just mods, on someone.

Alleged Trans incident at upscale LA Spa may have been staged by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So is it perfectly fine and reasonable for a transwoman to brandish a dick at little girls who are also nude in a women's only nude space, and a goal of trans activism to make women and girls accept it without objection,,,

Or

Is it something that a right wing religious extremist made up to make transwomen look like predators, to throw gasoline on the culture wars?

Because I really don't see how both could be true. Either you say the transwoman did nothing wrong, or you say, a transwoman wouldn't do that, you're just trying to make us look bad. Either you stand by the action, or you disavow it. Either it's your inalienable right to get your dick out around anyone at all, whether they like it or not, or it's something that was invented in the paranoid fervid imagination of a fascist wingnut.

Make up your minds. It's starting to remind me of the rhetoric around the Jan 6th insurrection. They were just peaceful tourists, and the cops let them in, and it was antifa that broke in and got violent, and no we won't let you investigate!

All: Disclosure and Consent by loveSloane in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or for that matter, someone who has a life threatening allergy to shellfish or something wouldn't say, I prefer not to eat shellfish. It's beyond a preference if one thing is absolutely unacceptable.

All: Disclosure and Consent by loveSloane in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People might say, " I prefer chocolate ice cream to strawberry," or vice versa. No one would ever say, "I prefer ice cream to dog shit."

Both: Are sexual stereotypes about men and women in the bedroom true? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess when it's two guys, you have to work out who's going to be doing what.

This seems strange to me- as a Lesbian, in my experience, my partners and I have done more or less the same things for one another. We don't tend to turn activities into identities the way gay men seem to do.

Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are absolving men of all responsibility. If you assert that men can't or shouldn't be expected to control themselves, then you are giving cover to the kind of people who say, well, women shouldn't go out at night if they don't want to get raped. This is antifeminist. I shouldn't be surprised, since I don't think I've ever seen you say anything that wasn't antifeminist, I guess.

Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again you are putting a burden on women and letting men be whatever they want. The doctrine that men suck is bad for women. When you say that men are evil, or monsters, or lack empathy, or whatever you are talking about, you are letting them off the hook. You are holding women to a higher standard. This is not sexist against men, it is sexist against women. It is like how men pretend they are bad at doing laundry, so that women have to do the laundry. It means men are free, and women are not.

Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"random" is not the same as "complete." You were talking about random strangers, so I asked about strangers from whom the randomness had been removed. Like, if I go to a conference on a particular subject, I may not know anyone there, but the group of people will be non-random, as they will have self-selected to be a group of people who are interested in that topic. Selection, filtering, these are ways of organizing, they are the opposite of randomness.

Do you think if I go out to a group that is advertised as being only for, I don't know, Dr Who fans, that I am consenting to be around people who hate Dr Who, because the other people are strangers to me?

Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What if they're not random strangers? What if they're strangers who have been carefully filtered? What if sex is the filter?

Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem is not that this attitude is sexist against men, the problem is that it's sexist against women. C'mon, feminist analysis of "benevolent sexism" goes back at least a hundred years now, to Virginia Woolf's angel in the house. One of patriarchy's key tools is the insistence that men can't and mustn't be expected to control themselves, and women's job is to civilize men and take on the burden of being men's punching bags in order to prevent men from attacking each other. You aren't saying anything new here, just the same old sexist tropes that have kept people like you in control of people like me for fucking thousands of years. It's not women's job to tame Enkidu, we're not going to do it for you anymore.

Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Don't you know no human in all time since our ancestors diverged from those of chimps was ever healthy before we invented the squat cage?

Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Plenty of men at this spa seemed willing to help the guy who may or may not be a transwoman, none were willing to help the women who were being put in danger by him. Did you watch the videos? Do you think Mr. Woke Moustache is a monster who would murder you? What about all the manarchists who attacked the women protesting?

Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You really need to move. I live in a liberal college town in a red state and I know literally dozens of trans-umbrella people, who are out and proud, have jobs and active social lives and in quite a few cases partners and children. Their lives are fine.

Both: Please vote on the demographics poll I created for GCdebatesQT by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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359 followers of this sub and only 34 responses...

Thoughts on this thread? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, this is an excellent example of what I'm talking about. Your opinions about state violence and racism don't threaten male domination of women, their ability to extract emotional or sexual or domestic labor from us, so they will allow you to take either side of that debate. That's not pulling against the leash. Opinions about the relationship between men and women, on the other hand, if women are allowed to talk freely about them, may threaten male domination. So every aspect of that conversation is going to have arguments that men like and will allow and will pat their pet fun feminists on the head for, and arguments that men will do their best to suppress.

Thoughts on this thread? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Juniperius 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The point here is that "GC women" and "trans-supportive women" aren't two different types of beings. They're just women, with different words coming from their mouths or keyboards. When women express the male-approved set of ideas, they are tolerated or praised; when they express the other set of ideas, they are banned, get death threats, etc. All women are having their speech policed, but only some of them notice it, because only some of them try to pull against the leash.