Red flags of AGP in men: For women who are still dating men

WildwoodFlower · 2022-08-03T05:07:47+00:00

It's a red flag any time an adult male shows a fixation with little girls. It might mean he wants to BE one, or it might mean he's a pedo. Or both. Either way, steer clear!

WildwoodFlower · 2022-04-12T05:57:35+00:00

They really do think "woman" is a costume, don't they?

WildwoodFlower · 2022-04-10T00:06:43+00:00

If you're asexual, all you need to do is hang out with some senior citizens. Most of them are done with that aspect of life.

WildwoodFlower · 2022-04-10T00:03:48+00:00

I have never even seen this woman, but she sounds hot!

WildwoodFlower · 2022-03-29T06:24:16+00:00

I wonder what the options are on this multiple choice test? Anybody know?

WildwoodFlower · 2021-12-16T23:22:30+00:00

That's why I said "good therapist". It's sad-- and dangerous-- that parents have to treat their own kids' mental illnesses at home because most therapists are either on board the trans train or else they're afraid to say anything that could get them in trouble. And no, I am not supporting any form of conversion therapy here. I am absolutely against those barbaric old-school practices where effeminate boys were punished for playing with dolls, or where teenagers were sent to pray-away-the-gay camp. Girls like the ones described in this article need to explore why they hate themselves, why they have difficulty making friends in the real world, why they are drawn to the sick and twisted corners of the internet, and how they can learn to cope. Some of them probably need antidepressants, but none of them should be on T.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-12-16T07:36:09+00:00

I think one of the keys here is that the mom was mostly going at this alone. Ideally, this kid should have been in therapy and the therapist would have uncovered what was really going on. The therapist also would have helped the mother work through her own anxiety and feelings and put the brakes on the mom when she was overcontrolling. But from the sound of it, it took a long time to find a good therapist, and even then this person was out of state.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-10-12T23:52:42+00:00

I'll probably just carve a pumpkin and pass out candy to the neighborhood kids. Last year, I had to leave the candy on a table in my yard, so at least this year the trick or treating should be somewhat normal.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-09-12T02:28:52+00:00

First of all, I think you are going down the right path by seeing a therapist. Second of all, since this woman was complimenting your pubic hair, of all things, I absolutely understand why you would take that to mean she's interested. Since other people noticed that she seemed to like you that way, then there probably is/was something there. But clearly, this woman has issues. The fact that she was messing around with a 60-year-old dude when she was in her 20s is proof of that. And no, that doesn't mean you are disgusting. I doubt it has anything to do with you at all. If I had to guess, it probably means the 60-year-old had $$$ and she wanted a sugar daddy. Or if the guy was her boss or her professor or something like that, it could have been some weird sexual harassment type of deal. Plenty of woman have sex with men for reasons that have nothing to do with the woman getting any physical pleasure out of it.

Anyhow, I'm sorry you are going through such a bad time because of this woman. I hope you can find someone who will treat you right, because you deserve it!

WildwoodFlower · 2021-09-01T20:16:02+00:00

So Elton John isn't gay, then?

WildwoodFlower · 2021-09-01T00:53:22+00:00

It happens all the time. I also know gay men who were married to women and had children with those women.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-08-29T02:01:50+00:00

I'm over 50, and nearly all of the lesbians I know have not only slept with men, they were also married to them at one time. Some of them had children with those men. I think there are more gold stars among the younger generations, so you could restrict your dating pool to women who have only been with other women. Or to virgins who haven't yet been with anyone.

I think hearing a girlfriend talk about the men she'd be with if she were straight is bothersome on a different level. It sounds to me like she was trying to stir you up and drive you crazy with that kind of talk. It's one thing to have slept with men, but it's something else to go on and on about it knowing it upsets your girlfriend. Did you ever ask her if she was bi? To me, it sounds like she might be.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-08-28T06:28:08+00:00

You are attracted to who you are attracted to, and you have every right to those attractions. You are allowed to be selfish when it comes to figuring out who you want to be with, and who turns you off. For me, the worst thing about the TQ+ crowd are their personalities, not their genitals (which I don't want to see) and not the way they dress (which isn't my style, but whatever). I can't really see myself being friends with them the way I am friends with gay men or straight people. I just can't deal with their drama, their cultish groupthink, or their never ending need for attention and validation. I don't know if these things bother you the way they bother me. But I don't blame anyone who wants to steer clear of these folks.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-08-28T06:14:17+00:00

We were at a lake and I saw him in a bathing suit. He is very pale, with old man boobs and a big belly. But his arms and legs are normal sized.

BTW, she told me she liked my bathing suit. My response? I pointed out to her that my swim shorts have pockets! I didn't realize it at the time, but that sounded kind of butch, didn't it?

WildwoodFlower · 2021-08-26T21:07:58+00:00

Smart move. People like that are looking for attention, so it's best not to give them any.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-08-26T21:03:16+00:00

The only one I know well is someone from high school. "Louis" was a basic preppy honors student type. I knew him in the "gender bender" 80s, but he never showed any interest in any of that music or the people who made it. He was a basic suburban straight white boy who was into Rush, Van Halen, and Stevie Ray Vaughan. Fast forward to the late 2010s, when Louis started using the name Louise, along with they/them pronouns, and posting a lot of selfies with makeup, wigs, feminine clothing, etc. I also noticed in a few of the photos that "Louise" has boobs now. Sure, a lot of overweight men over 50 grow man boobs, but these are too big to be that. They also aren't perfect and perky enough to be the result of a boob job, so I'm thinking that Louis is on hormones.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-08-26T20:26:08+00:00

LOL! I think it's best if she and I just stay friends. As for her boyfriend, he looks like a seventysomething-year-old pregnant man.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-08-25T21:40:48+00:00

I don't know. How can I tell the difference between a straight woman and a bi in denial? All I know is that there has been this bizarre, flirty dynamic between the two of us and it's gone on for years. I have never experienced anything like this with a straight friend before. I'm in my 50s and she's in her 60s, so we're not confused college kids or anything like that.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-08-23T04:14:06+00:00

I saw my "straight" crush for the first time in almost a year. We were at a party together. It was a nice party, but unfortunately, she brought her boyfriend with her. It wasn't earth shattering because I am almost over her. Almost. Maybe about 80 percent.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-08-21T02:14:34+00:00

I haven't been to ActuallyLesbians in awhile. I find that OlderLesbians is the sub that actually has the most real lesbians.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-07-16T05:38:35+00:00

25% of American youth want someone to pay attention to their blue hair and their weird clothes. Yawn... I hung around with goths in the 80s and 90s. These "non-binary" kids do not impress me.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-06-30T21:17:26+00:00

I don't come here much anymore because saidit has shut down twice. When something shuts down once, okay, things happen. But twice within such a short period of time?

WildwoodFlower · 2021-06-02T22:46:25+00:00

It was a nice place.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-05-28T00:56:26+00:00

This article is from 2010, but it's still worth a read: https://www.livescience.com/6073-children-raised-lesbians-fine-studies-show.html

WildwoodFlower · 2021-05-26T22:15:33+00:00

I went over and looked at PinkSofa. It looks pretty nice. The site doesn't specifically seem targeted to trans women. It does mention bi women (which is fine with me, although I understand that some lesbians won't date bi women).

WildwoodFlower · 2021-05-12T06:14:58+00:00

The poor kid just wants to play with the toys she likes and wear clothes that make her feel comfortable. It's the adults who have the problem here. The kid is fine.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-05-10T05:53:22+00:00

This article might help. http://gomag.com/article/14-lit-cities-for-lesbians-to-live-in/

WildwoodFlower · 2021-05-08T05:37:53+00:00

I've never been on Ovarit.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-05-06T22:31:07+00:00

If a transwoman changes into a suit and tie (or a sweatshirt and jeans), washes off her makeup, and takes off her wig, then the world will treat her the same as any man. If a transwoman came out as an adult, chances are she is still making more $$$ than her female co-workers. Her childhood and adolescence would have been completely different from what non-trans girls experience. Even transgirls who come out at a young age don't have the same childhood experiences as non-trans girls. Transkids are treated like transkids, not like typical boys or girls.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-29T06:00:09+00:00

If Jazz and El Page actually were that developmentally advanced as toddlers, then their current issues are most likely due to their extreme giftedness rather than "born in the wrong body." Highly gifted children tend to be anxious, extremely sensitive perfectionists who overthink every little damn thing. They also have difficulty relating to other children. There is also some overlap between the characteristics of giftedness and autism/Asperger's. But they're still little kids and they need adults to provide them with guidance instead of agreeing that yes, Jazz, you really are a girl because boys don't like sparkly toys and Broadway showtunes.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-29T05:39:36+00:00

https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/articles/teaching-content/ages-stages-im-boy-youre-girl/

For those who don't know much about child development, the above link explains pretty well what young children understand (and don't understand) about boys vs. girls.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-27T22:22:43+00:00

I hear you! The whole "it gets better" thing is true in terms of how straight people treat us compared to what it was like 30 or 40 years ago (I'm old.). But our own "community"? Not so much. We can't even have a freakin' Internet forum on a mainstream platform because of trans feels.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-27T00:55:35+00:00

I don't have anything to share, but Happy Lesbian Visibility Day!

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-27T00:10:14+00:00

Dear Steven, 1. Admit that you have a fetish. 2. Either satisfy your desires within the privacy of your own home, or find a group of like-minded, consenting adult playmates. 3. You aren't a woman. 4. You probably aren't trans, either. You don't seem to be suffering from dysphoria. You just get off on wearing women's clothes.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-24T05:34:57+00:00

From what you have written here, I would suggest a new therapist, preferably someone who understands toxic religious environments. And by all means, steer clear of anyone who is pushing trans/non-binary jabberwocky.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-24T02:27:22+00:00

A billing issue? That was it??? It does make more sense than those other theories, though. If it was hate speech or death threats, they could have just removed the evil clowns without shutting down the whole circus. But given how every other LGB forum ends up getting shut down, we had every reason to freak out.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-24T01:47:22+00:00

Sounds like my former high school classmates on Facebook.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-21T01:52:21+00:00

Kate McKinnon has been accused of being a TERF. This article is from 2017, but the TRAs still haven't forgiven her. (Do they ever forgive anybody for anything?) http://affinitymagazine.us/2017/04/13/if-you-support-lesbians-stop-supporting-these-women/

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-17T01:47:10+00:00

I loved this! But then again, I have a massive crush on Kate McKinnon.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-17T00:37:08+00:00

I am not surprised.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-08T01:24:41+00:00

Hundreds? Then maybe it's time for trans inmates to be housed in separate facilities, or at least in their own wing of a prison.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-04-05T21:53:35+00:00

The darker, the better. I also like dark chocolate with caramel. But really, any kind of chocolate will do.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-03-31T01:07:15+00:00

Good for her!

WildwoodFlower · 2021-03-30T00:46:00+00:00

Thank you for the work that you do! (((HUGS)))

I've had my first dose of the vaccine and will get my second dose in mid-April. Right now, I just feel tired of it all. Even the idea of going back to "normal life" just makes me feel tired.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-03-17T02:05:36+00:00

I haven't met many lately because I don't get out much due to Covid-19 restrictions. I know several lesbians in real life, but I first met them several years ago.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-03-09T02:34:38+00:00

SuperStraight might not be banned because it's full of heterosexual males.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-03-06T00:44:42+00:00

I can't deal with anyone's gender dysphoria. I've had far too many front row seats in the addiction and mental illness arenas, and I have no desire to get caught up in the whole gender dysphoria mess. I don't want to sound mean here, but how can I love someone who is so consumed with self-hatred that they want to completely erase who they used to be and assume an entirely new identity? If someone is triggered by their own baby pictures, or by the mere mention of the name their parents gave them... Well, I just can't.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-03-03T03:22:31+00:00

I am attracted to women who are more feminine than myself, so no.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-26T07:57:14+00:00

Just tell the cops you are being your authentic self! :D

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-25T07:28:19+00:00

It depends. If her hair is just a weird shade of red, I've been there and done that. That's what the 90s were for! :D I also have a straight hippie friend who dyes her hair lavender because her natural color right now is whitish-gray (she's 70). There aren't too many goths around these days, but I knew some back in the day who were into various shades of burgundy and purple. (Again, that's what the 90s were for.) But yeah, I know there's a link between unnaturally colored hair and being gender special. The ones I see around here also tend to wear very childish-looking pajamas in public. Actually, I think the pajamas put me off more than the hair. There is something deeply disturbing about adults who dress like children. Besides, I am just not attracted to people who would wear their pajamas outside the house. Maybe I'm just a snob?

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-24T06:30:31+00:00

57.14% bisexual and 42.86% gay. Straight didn't appear on my pie graph.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-23T06:27:52+00:00

I don't know about the specific study you are looking for, but try googling Dr. Ray Blanchard and also "autogynephilia."

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-23T00:24:09+00:00

If adults didn't shove kids like this into the media spotlight, they would just be little boys playing dress-up.

I also don't know any parent of an actual female child who lets her out of the house wearing makeup unless it's Halloween, she is performing in a dance recital, or is appearing at some other venue where the makeup is part of her costume. Makeup is for girls who are at least in middle school, not for children. Ditto for all these trans kids with dyed pink hair.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-23T00:14:31+00:00

I've been thinking about signing up for Our Time (I'm over 50), and if they don't kick women off for specifying "no trans" then this is a point in their favor.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-22T01:34:33+00:00

Yes, I would date a bisexual woman as long as she is single and monogamous. I am not interested in being somebody's side dish. Then again, the same is true for any lesbian I might date.

I figure if I restrict myself to a "lesbians-only" dating pool, that leaves me with a very small number of women to choose from. There just aren't a lot of lesbians out there, and all of the ones I know are married/partnered. And just because someone is a lesbian, that doesn't automatically makes us compatible.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-20T23:58:39+00:00

I found this article on Twitter, and there were a lot of comments. The Lesbian and Gay News website is new, so it might not be on many people's radar yet.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-19T07:16:59+00:00

Bravo, Vanessa!

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-18T06:26:00+00:00

I'm not going there. Can lesbians "love men"? Sure, if you're talking about platonic love for male family members (fathers, grandfathers, uncles, brothers, grown sons, male cousins, longtime male friends who are like family-- especially if they're gay). But I don't think this type of love is what this person means.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-17T01:26:05+00:00

And since all of these kids are on the autism spectrum or have mental health issues, the doctors (and perhaps even the parents) don't care if their reproductive systems are forever ruined, or if they are unable to have a satisfying sex life as an adult.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-16T00:24:33+00:00

What parent (even one who believes that this type of surgery is right for their teen) would choose a surgeon with such an unprofessional attitude? Wouldn't they want someone who takes their job more seriously than "Teetus Deletus"?

WildwoodFlower · 2021-02-09T23:27:54+00:00

I never tell random men who hit on me that I'm gay. I don't feel like this is a safe thing to do.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-28T06:31:46+00:00

And those white nationalists who stormed the Capitol on January 6th would bring back the absolute worst of those atrocities and take them to the next level.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-28T03:01:53+00:00

Not me. I didn't want to be around those people before January 6th. Then after they tried to violently overthrow the government, I really don't want to be around them.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-27T22:03:25+00:00

I pay attention to flags when I drive through different areas, especially if it's a place where I am thinking about buying a home. Rainbow flags are a good sign. If I don't see any rainbow flags, I wonder if I could feel truly at home in that place. And if I see a lot of right wing flags (Trump, Don't Tread On Me, weird variations on the American flag), then I know I don't belong there.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-27T07:18:12+00:00

I like the rainbow flag. To me, it signals that I am in a safe place. But the rest of those flags are meaningless to me. I have trouble remembering which one is which.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-26T23:50:39+00:00

Old bookshops??? Okay, that settles it. I am going to P-town when this plague is over.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-25T01:39:57+00:00

I am not even interested in men and there are more/only men asking me out. So I can see where the bi girls are coming from on this.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-23T02:19:34+00:00

I have heard someone say "cishet" to describe straight people. But I figure if straight people don't like it, that's their problem, not mine.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-21T22:35:16+00:00

I couldn't tell from the tweets if those "lesbians" were sexually fantasizing about those celebs, if they just thought those guys were cute, or if they want to be them because the straight girls at school like them. My main takeaway from those tweets is that those "lesbians" were very, very young. Or maybe very, very immature. I ended up thinking of them as girls rather than as women.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-17T01:35:52+00:00

It sure sounds nice, doesn't it?

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-15T06:32:44+00:00

For me, David Bowie always felt like someone I knew in a previous life. Or on another planet. There was this sense of "everyone thinks he's weird, everyone thinks I'm weird, but in some other time and place we would not be weird." But it was never sexual.

Does that make sense?

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-15T01:52:48+00:00

We are living in such a crazy world, aren't we? People who aren't lesbians are calling themselves lesbians while women who actually are lesbians are identifying as trans, genderqueer, or nonbinary.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-14T03:26:41+00:00

Most of the ones I saw in that Twitter thread were teenagers with crushes on girly-looking K-pop stars. I don't know what that means as far as whether these kids are lesbians or bi or what. They'll figure it out eventually.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-13T23:54:21+00:00

Shrug... I don't see how it's any different from gay men who adore Madonna, Cher, Judy Garland, Diana Ross, Britney Spears, Princess Diana, etc. Gay men don't usually call it a "crush" but it's pretty much the same thing.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-06T07:01:59+00:00

I am suspicious of any celebrity who pushes their kid into the spotlight like this, especially when they're doing it to draw attention to themselves and their wokeness. Nobody normal wants their child's sexuality or gender identity to be discussed among strangers in a public forum.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-04T03:37:19+00:00

Seriously, what exactly am I supposed to be attracted to when I "reconsider" these MTFs? Most trans women still look like males. The few who "pass" have had so much cosmetic surgery that they look like plastic Barbie dolls. I am not interested in dating either one. And that's not even getting into all the gender dysphoria and psychological issues that I, frankly, don't have the patience to deal with. If I wanted to be with a male-bodied person, I would just take the easy route and find myself a nice, normal straight guy. But I don't want to be with a male-bodied person.

WildwoodFlower · 2021-01-04T00:55:04+00:00

I think approaching AfterEllen is a good idea. You might even want to ask if they accept articles from freelancers and, if so, you could suggest writing the article yourself.

The one thing I strongly advise against is taking this to any right-wing media outlet.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-12-27T17:16:11+00:00

Awesome! How did you meet her?

WildwoodFlower · 2020-12-24T23:31:19+00:00

I know exactly what you're going through. It's tough. I've been trying to get over mine for almost a year now.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-12-24T03:02:21+00:00

Agreed.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-12-24T01:22:03+00:00

I never heard of gold stars until maybe a year or so ago. I've only seen it discussed on lesbian forums, not on bi women's forums. (Keep in mind, though, that I don't spend a lot of time on bi forums.) In most cases, the women I've seen bringing it up are gold stars. Unfortunately, some of them (not all) tend to be rather smug or judgemental about it. I don't think being a gold star makes someone a better lesbian or a more authentic lesbian. Most of the lesbians I know personally were married to men at one time. Most grew up in a different era, where getting married was just something women did, whether they really wanted to or not. In other cases, it was like some kind of do-it-yourself conversion therapy. I also know gay men who married women for similar reasons. And no, these people are not bisexual. They are now all happily settled down with same-sex partners and they have no intention of going back to heterosexuality.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-12-22T21:35:03+00:00

What exactly is Ovarit? Is it a lesbian forum? Or do they just talk about gender critical stuff like the LGB Alliance? (I don't know about all of you, but I am tired of hearing about trans issues. To quote the Smiths circa 1985: "It says nothing to me about my life.")

WildwoodFlower · 2020-12-13T00:36:47+00:00

This woman is sending you such mixed signals (hell, they are beyond signals), so I can see why you're wondering what's going on with her. Maybe there is something specific about the age gap that makes her nervous. For example, maybe she doesn't want to get involved with a younger woman because she is afraid a younger woman might want kids? Or, on the flip side, maybe she is afraid a younger woman won't want to get seriously involved? I don't know... I think you should talk it out with her.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-12-07T00:49:03+00:00

I went to their website last week and it was down. Now it says, "Coming soon! We're working hard to finish the development of afterellen.com. Please visit our facebook page for more updates!" The Facebook page doesn't have any updates about the website, but otherwise everything appears to be normal.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-12-06T01:32:46+00:00

Yes, I do this ALL THE TIME. My crush isn't a co-worker, but we belong to the same community organization. So we are like co-workers, even though we don't get paid. I am also a chronic overthinker in general, so it's not just her.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-12-01T21:39:57+00:00

I don't know Page, and most people in Hollywood are flaky, so I try not to get emotionally invested in any of them. But this does hit me in a weird way, because "lesbian Ellen Page" is kind of what I look/dress like (except I'm a lot older). I never even thought of myself as butch, just basically androgynous, and definitely not trans. I guess what's bothering me is how people (especially potential dates/partners) might look at me now and what kind if assumptions they'll make. But fortunately, I'm over 50 and I am not interested in younger women, so I don't have to deal with a lot of the pressures that the lesbians under 30 in this thread have to deal with.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-11-17T22:59:58+00:00

But they ALWAYS have a boyfriend or a husband that they won't break it off with. The guy is supposed to just go along with his wife's/ girlfriend's "lesbianism". Ditto for any female partner that this woman manages to find.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-11-17T22:33:33+00:00

Why don't they just call themselves bisexual?

WildwoodFlower · 2020-11-12T23:58:39+00:00

I've heard butches make remarks like this as a joke, but only occasionally and they didn't mean it.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-10-30T01:26:49+00:00

I can't speak for SickOfThisShitNow, but personally I have seen too many Trump supporters in radfem and gender critical groups. I have no way of knowing if these people are for real or if they are foreign trolls, so I just stay the hell away from them. Either way, I don't want to have anything to do with them.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-10-28T21:30:06+00:00

I'm seeing a lot of lesbians and gay men (especially married couples) getting fired up about Amy Coney Barrett and how she and her fellow right-wing SCOTUS justices might wreak havoc on marriage equality. There is also the election coming up in six days, so a lot of lesbians are focusing their efforts on that front.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-10-21T05:50:35+00:00

I get too emotionally attached to people, so it's a no go for me.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-10-19T00:18:15+00:00

I can understand the appeal of staying in your current church and trying to change people's hearts and minds. And that's great if you happen to be in a church that is starting the journey to becoming more inclusive. However, if the powers-that-be within your denomination aren't likely to budge, I would recommend leaving and finding an affirming church. Why subject yourself to institutionalized homophobia in the hopes that things might change when you can be part of a welcoming community where you can worship with other lesbians and gay men?

Although many churches are closed due to Covid, you can still check them out online and maybe stream some of their services. It will give you a feel for what each church is like, and hopefully you will find one that is a good fit. If you live in or near a "gayborhood", the mainline Protestant churches in that area are probably the best place to start.

WildwoodFlower · 2020-10-17T23:26:20+00:00

Intelligence.

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