Will We Someday Write Code Just By Describing It?

magnora7 · 2020-08-09T21:51:47+00:00

That's what I hope someday coding will evolve in to, a conversation between the machine and the programmer over specs.

Like imagine if you could say "I want to make a top-down spaceship shooter game" and it just automatically did that. And then you could say "The spaceship should be bigger and have more guns" and it would do that. "There should be twice as many enemies, and three types of enemies." and it would make those changes. "The ship should accelerate faster" Done.

Then at the end of the day, you have a new video game that you "programmed" custom.

I imagine that's where programming is eventually headed. Truly "high level" programming languages that interpret your spoken or written intent in to code, automatically on the fly.

Someday they'll look back at hand-writing code by typing out specific syntax the same way we look at people who use oxen to plow their fields.

magnora7 · 2020-08-09T21:47:32+00:00

Seems like a stretch tbh

magnora7 · 2020-08-09T21:46:26+00:00

That's pretty true. Especially on the internet. And all the people robo-calling others with apparent immunity.

People hiding behind 10 vpns and with 3 burner phones. This is why information warfare is so powerful. It can be very very hard to trace attacks back to an individual human.

magnora7 · 2020-08-09T21:25:31+00:00

Good point, CIA money going through cartels probably paid for these tunnels

magnora7 · 2020-08-09T02:36:11+00:00

nice

magnora7 · 2020-08-09T02:33:11+00:00

why not both?

magnora7 · 2020-08-08T19:04:30+00:00

Welcome, it's sad how the admins and the mods work together on reddit to ideologically hijack the platform more and more thoroughly. There's all types of people here on saidit, so we welcome you and your thoughts.

magnora7 · 2020-08-08T19:03:32+00:00

or voat.

magnora7 · 2020-08-08T18:54:36+00:00

Sorry I'm removing this, it's not the right sub. This sub is for things about this website specifically. Try posting to /s/whatever, thanks.

magnora7 · 2020-08-08T18:44:17+00:00

And supposedly Floyds family "chose" this doctor to do the autopsy. How did they know to choose him? Sounds like they had lots of help to make that "decision"

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T23:09:05+00:00

Seems like maybe similar to an impact wrench.

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T21:50:08+00:00

Interesting. Seems like the spring would be the weak point that would eventually wear out first

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T21:29:03+00:00

The front looks similar, but the backend and database organization is totally different

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T19:06:02+00:00

Hm yeah. I wonder if KIA2 approached these people or if the .win people approached the KIA2 people

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T19:04:17+00:00

I just realized this song is a parody of this Pet Shop Boys song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3j2NYZ8FKs

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T18:16:34+00:00

Ah cool. Yeah the fish evolution game is all about evolving neural nets. You can hit 'f' and it will go in to fast mode and you can see graphs of it improving. And then hit 'f' to turn off fast mode and go back in to viewing mode. That's the most important button.

If we need a mod there, I will be sure to contact you. Thanks for offering.

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T18:14:25+00:00

Yup it might happen again, but I feel a lot better knowing the server company actually seems to care and looks in to these things. I feel we can defend against it for the most part now.

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T18:11:05+00:00

Well we haven't gotten any additional takedown requests in the last 18 hours, so I think we're good and our server company is watching out for fake ones for us. Thank goodness.

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T18:08:21+00:00

Hm. I wonder who is funding all this. They seem quite organized.

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T18:03:35+00:00

No they re-wrote from scratch. Saidit is the only popular site based on reddit's old code, as far as I know

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T18:03:05+00:00

Interesting, thanks for the link. They must share code, but I can't find anyone talking about that. I wonder how hard it is to get their code

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T16:40:19+00:00

Thanks, I just wanted to share a project, I never really meant for this thing to grow.

It's called that because it's based around fishes that evolve. You should try it.

I was actually just building an update to their neural networks a couple days ago, I re-wrote the brains from scratch with a new architecture that works even better than the typical layered feed-forward ANN brain design used in most neural nets.

Also I made s/evolution public again, I don't know why that mod did that. Probably maliciously to keep people from using it.

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T16:38:12+00:00

Hm I wonder how does KIA2 have a site that looks exactly like thedonald.win, when that site isn't open source? Who built this site?

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T16:19:20+00:00

Lame. Welcome to saidit, any new users!

magnora7 · 2020-08-07T00:05:56+00:00

Fair enough. I do appreciate you using my previous article as a jumping-off point.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T23:58:07+00:00

Aaron was the man. Absolute genius.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T23:20:49+00:00

but yeah it seems like they kind of figured out what was going on. I'm sure they deal with people making tons of fake DMCA requests all the time... this is not a small server company

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T23:19:45+00:00

Apparently according to them linking to it still counts... they said today that links to things that violate copyright law are valid parts of DMCA takedown requests.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T23:12:57+00:00

So I reported the abuse of the DMCA system to all 6 employees I spoke with. Most gave me the brush-off, but one of them said this:

Thanks again for following up with these details, and apologies again for this mixup. Typically we avoid passing on a request if we find it to be frivolous and you should not see further complaints of this nature unless they are valid under DMCA law.

We appreciate your cooperation and please let us know if you have any additional questions.

So that sounds like a good development.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T22:36:10+00:00

We just wanted to test and see if it worked, so we made a sub for that. Anyway, no problem.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T22:29:30+00:00

Yeah that's the thing I don't get either... they obviously didn't check these, which is bad for the server company. They're just passing these through without looking until someone makes them look.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T22:16:48+00:00

Well, now I'm getting more DMCAs and they're modifying the requests so the copyrighted material does actually match. So I will have to take down a few links here soon, but it will be limited in scope to those that can be shown to actually link to "stolen" material.

So I've fought off the main thing of fake requests, but now he's making requests where the linked material does actually match the copyrighted material so I'm forced to take it down.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T22:12:48+00:00

Thanks! Big win for saidit. Yup, now we have a history of 6 of them, each of which were independently found to be fraudulent.

So if the server company has any sense, they'll blacklist that person's email from future DMCA requests.

Also it's a federal crime under perjury to submit false DMCA claims: https://www.gerbenlaw.com/blog/false-dmca-takedown-notices-ninth-circuit-holds-that-copyright-owners-must-consider-fair-use-before-issuing-take-down-notices/

The claims could be traced back to the original person and they would get in big trouble. And the more fake claims they submit, the bigger the trail leading to them becomes.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T22:03:29+00:00

Fuck yeah, all 6 just got refuted.

It became clear after they did 6 more literally 5 minutes after I deleted the first one, that they aren't going to stop until they remove all of IP2. So it was either call their bluff or slowly have the whole website be deleted. Thankfully our server company worked with us quite well once I pointed out that the copyright link doesn't match the takedown request! All 6 were closed as invalid DMCA claims.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T21:49:33+00:00

No it's not cloudflare's fault, it's solely the fault of the people generating the fraudulent DMCA requests. Which may be a federal crime: https://www.gerbenlaw.com/blog/false-dmca-takedown-notices-ninth-circuit-holds-that-copyright-owners-must-consider-fair-use-before-issuing-take-down-notices/

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T21:48:00+00:00

Well fuck yea, finally some light at the end of the tunnel. I'm awaiting replies on all 6 DMCA take down requests tickets right now, after I showed the video is not related to the link they want taken down. I just got the first one back, and he said this:

Hi there,

You are correct, apologies for the oversight. The two videos are not related. As this is the case, I am going to close this matter out. If you have further questions or concerns, please let us know.

Boom! Done. Now just have to get the other 5 tickets to do the same (every ticket I'm talking to a different employee). Also the user reporting these fake DMCAs could potentially be committing a federal crime, so I'm making it a point to gather up the various fake DMCA reports and let each employee know this is a pattern we're seeing from this person generating these fraudulent legal claims, and they need to watch out for this person.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T21:37:50+00:00

What's super crazy is I'm realizing that the "original copyright claim" has literally NOTHING to do with the pages they want taken down. Not even linking to it, or mentioning it, or screenshots, or anything. It's literally 100% unrelated. So I'm pointing this out to the server people and I'm awaiting their responses... I talked to a few different people about it, I got a different employee for each new ticket we got. So hopefully at least one will realize what is going on.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T21:18:21+00:00

Now the server company is saying:

Regardless of where the original content is hosted, this DMCA complaint is still valid. You cannot link or redirect to any content that violates copyright. Please remove the infringing link as per the complaint.

And now I'm trying to show that many of the links they want me to remove don't even have anything at all to do with the video they link as original source material. Like they literally linked to a random youtube video, and then a random ip2 link, and then said "you have to take down the ip2 link because of the copyrighted material" but the ip2 link doesn't have anything at all to do with the "copyrighted" youtube video! Like 0% at all, nothing related, not one thing. So now I'm trying to get the server company to see this.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T21:15:05+00:00

Please don't drag conversation down the pyramid of debate.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T20:47:51+00:00

Well we just got 10 more DMCA takedown requests in the last few minutes, so it looks like I'm going to have to dispute these obviously-bullshit claims. I hope the server company takes our side...

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T20:46:57+00:00

It's not the server company being retarded, this is standard procedure. Of course they're reading this thread

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T20:38:33+00:00

Yes it is through the sever company website, it's definitely going through the sever company. It's a huge server company, they're just following procedure.

I just got 10 fucking more DMCA notices in the last 15 minutes. What the fuck.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T20:29:06+00:00

Yeah no shit it's fucked.

Our server company just said this to me: "You must remove access to the material immediately. If you do not, [server company redacted] must remove or disable access to the material expeditiously under federal law; this will require us to place restrictions on your server in 96 hours unless you comply."

The video was hosted on streamable, we just linked to it. So we aren't even hosting the property they allege we are hosting. Also they sent me 2 different notices/tickets over the same URL.

They claimed these are the "original works" upon which we are infringing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIvXpn94NzY&feature=youtu.be

The only thing we actually host is the thumbnail. And surely you can't DMCA someone over a thumbnail to a video freely available on youtube... that'd be insane.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T20:22:50+00:00

Trying to keep the whole website from being taken offline, show some appreciation.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T20:22:12+00:00

Yeah we got a legit DMCA takedown request about it today, and I had to act in 72 hours or our hosting service said to us that they would take us offline. I figured removing one post to keep the site online is a reasonable compromise to make the problem go away and keep saidit online. However if this behavior continues beyond just this one incident, we will probably be forced to start disputing the DMCA claims.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T20:18:53+00:00

He probably played both sides as it was convenient. The Rothschilds were kicked out Germany during WW2, so he definitely had some anti-Zionist leanings.

But the 1933 Havaara Agreement showed that he and the Zionists would sometimes work together if their goals aligned.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T20:05:14+00:00

Perhaps. Isn't action through inaction just another way to get swept away by a type of behavior and thinking though?

"certain narratives" is another way to say identity politics

Uh no, that's not at all what I was saying, you're shoehorning my ideas in to a political framework for no reason. I simply mean narratives. Like yours right now. And mine right now.

You seem to be unable to view this issue outside the political lens you've chosen. When in fact the post is not about politics at all.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T19:59:34+00:00

It's still happening but people have to report them first... I can't magically delete bad things the instant they are posted

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T19:45:13+00:00

The rules haven't changed one bit, so nothing needs updating. Stuff that was banned was banned for rules that have existed and been enforced for years.

magnora7 · 2020-08-06T19:43:14+00:00

There are no quarantined subs in practice and we don't use that feature, so I'm not going to spend time modifying it

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T23:30:23+00:00

Yeah I'm still tweaking the filter, give me a few hours

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T22:30:55+00:00

You can see it in the video of him doing it...

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T22:18:21+00:00

I looked in to your IP ban some more and one part of one of my ban scripts had a bug that I've just fixed. So your IP ban is gone, you weren't linked to any other account that got banned, it was in error. One of the ban scripts had an bug where it was fetching the wrong IPs sometimes and you just happened to be one of the 10 people on the whole website that was affected. I was able to fix it thanks to your report here. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your help in finding this bug!

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T21:43:54+00:00

They're now saying 135 fatalities and over 5000 injured. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/lebanon-eyes-state-emergency-deadly-beirut-blast-live-200804234925493.html

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T21:40:37+00:00

I looked he has another account that was banned, and that IP is banned because of that other account.

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T21:22:00+00:00

I agree with the quote.

But on the flip side also imagine if I go up to someone and say like "You asshat, you're so bad and dumb and no one likes you" and stuff over and over, right in their face. Then say they go inside and shut the door in my face so they can't hear me anymore. Have I been deprived of my liberty by being kept from telling someone else what they don't want to hear? I don't think so.

I think the value of the message is important (facts vs personal attacks) in this equation. And also the ability to say something doesn't mean the ability to say it to one particular person, nor does it demand they listen. Perhaps public figures like representatives are exemptions, as they should be required to listen to their constituents. But most people are not required to listen to everything that is put in front of them, nor should they be.

However people should have the ability to broadcast ideas broadly. However people shouldn't be able to shout fire in a crowded theater. The line between the two is very fuzzy and complex when you try to find exactly where it is.

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T21:15:59+00:00

It's the lowest common denominator for this website. Reddit is so obviously taken over by left-leaning people that most of the people who get banned unjustly are right-leaning. Ergo saidit's culture reflects what reddit cuts off.

So posts like "reddit bad" and "leftists bad" are things almost everyone here will agree with because of their experience with reddit which is what caused most of them to come here. It gets old sometimes, but it's also understandable given how this place came to exist.

In addition some people want to hijack saidit's culture to make it lean more far-right, and that contributes to the overall lean as well.

It was nice when we had all the lesbians here who got banned from reddit, but they didn't integrate themselves with the site culture as much as I'd hoped, and most kind of just sequestered themselves in subs they took off of /all. Which is fine, I was just hoping they'd contribute to the melting pot of the front page more to add a little left-right balance. Oh well, it's all good though.

I've noticed too if the first few posts on the front page are not good, I notice the posts after that are usually good. Like posts 3 through 40 on the front page are usually pretty solid overall.

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T21:03:39+00:00

Interesting, I didn't know any of that! Thanks.

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T21:03:03+00:00

Interesting, but I have to say jumping to the hezbollah explanation is exactly what Israel wants because then it means they can invade lebanon as per an earlier contract.

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T21:02:09+00:00

So when are you "2nd amendment types" gonna start executing peaceful protestors in the streets?

No advocating violence please. First warning.

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T21:01:40+00:00

We might release a sitewide ban list, but that's the only piece of information that isn't already public

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T21:00:57+00:00

The problem though is that when you get downvoted a lot, it sorts the comments so yours is at the bottom, then after even more downvotes it collapses the comment so people have to click it to see it. That means way less people are going to read it. So it limits the spread of what you're saying. That's why downvotes are censorship, in a lot of cases. It has little to do with feelings, but rather with the sorting mechanism.

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T20:57:31+00:00

or you upvoted multiple threads on multiple accounts

This. This the only thing that has changed recently in our banning scripts...

edit: There was a bug I just fixed in that code, so around 10 people sitewide may have been flagged incorrectly temporarily and I think he was one of them. It should be all good now though

magnora7 · 2020-08-05T20:55:25+00:00

only the users that are doing the botting get banned but not the recipients of it

Yes that is correct. Innocent posts that are vote-brigaded do not result in the person who posted it being banned, only the people using multiple accounts to upvote the same thing.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T23:42:19+00:00

No problem, happy to help.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T23:34:33+00:00

Nice. The free adblockPlus browser plugin/addon does that too.

When I see youtube without it, it's like watching tv again, it's shocking how many ads there are and how annoying it is.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T23:26:38+00:00

Interesting, could be. Where are you getting that info? Another comment says it was ammonium perchlorate or ammonium nitrate: https://saidit.net/s/WorldNews/comments/5w1z/a_massive_explosion_has_just_hit_beirut_lebanon/mwx3?context=3

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T23:25:43+00:00

"supposed to be destroyed"

...well it certainly is destroyed now. This makes me wonder if there was insurance money involved.

Anyway, it was probably just a very unfortunate accident.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T23:00:07+00:00

Her name is Ariana Pekary! Seems like a name worth remembering and repeating, if she's willing to make a stand like this.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:44:43+00:00

Awesome. It's a good movie for a lot of reasons: It shows how complex war is, and how when fighting a war you might not be fighting for who you think you're fighting for... It also tells a very niche viewpoint of a little-mentioned war, so it's interesting for that historical aspect too. Definitely worth a watch!

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:41:25+00:00

God that's so awful. It shattered that glass balcony the person filming was behind. And all the people below driving and walking... there might be even more fatalities than I was thinking. I'd hope to think it's in the 50-200 range, but it may have killed thousands of people. Horrific.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:34:14+00:00

Awesome, sounds great. Thanks for your help!

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:19:28+00:00

Yeah I'm thinking this is 50-200 fatalities probably... not good. I heard the firefighters were just arriving and had set up to put out the fire right before it exploded... so that's horrible. On the plus side, the fireworks going off might have given people enough warning to get away at least some distance. So that hopefully saved a lot of lives, but I don't think anyone expected an explosion of that immense size.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:17:15+00:00

I don't think it was a second explosion, it was just the shock waves. The "first explosion" was the combustion, and the "second explosion" was the low-pressure shockwave imploding to fill the space vacated by the explosion, and then going outward after it imploded. At least that was my take on it

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:13:34+00:00

Maybe. "Normies" can care about people on the other side of the Earth too though

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:12:32+00:00

Good point. I just banned them both

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:10:07+00:00

“Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.” - Rene Descartes

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:07:37+00:00

I care. Lots of people care. It's on the front page right now. Why promote this narrative that people don't care?

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T21:02:30+00:00

Yes I realized that shortly after posting and banned him for ban evasion

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:50:27+00:00

And if you see this type of obvious brigading happening again in the future, please send me another chain of threads like this that you think are involved and I'll run them again.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:48:36+00:00

The fog of ashes in the air after the blast makes me very suspicious

Yeah the yellow fog after is why people are saying ammoium perchlorate was the explosive

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:42:13+00:00

Thanks! Using those 9 threads, I was able to confirm self-upvoting across multiple accounts associated with those votes. All confirmed self-upvoting accounts and IPs have been banned. I appreciate your help in finding these people manipulating saidit's vote system which is against site rules.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:32:52+00:00

Yes I agree. However that conflicts with my goal of being transparent and open about the reasons for why things are happening... so I'm caught in this impossible position. If I explain everything in great detail all the time, everyone is informed but also fights with me about everything constantly and it's exhausting. If I don't explain what I do, my life is easier but the site's operations get less and less transparent to the users. So I'm always having to balance these conflicting goals. Even after 3 years of doing this I'm still not sure what the right way is. However the timer ban levels seem like a good next move.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:19:25+00:00

Lebanon used to be a pretty great country from what I have read before this whole Iran/Israel proxy war there.

I would like to take this moment to tell people about the animated historical movie "Waltz With Bashir" which is about this exact thing. It's a good movie, worth a watch.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:17:41+00:00

Very doubtful. We'll know soon as the radiation from a nuke would be easily measurable

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:17:16+00:00

I don't think so, it was too small of an explosion for nuclear. And plus there'd be reports of radiation readings from Geiger counters in lebanon and there's not

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:16:13+00:00

Yeah that'd be good. The current "strike" system is me giving them a warning in a comment, which almost always leads to a fight, especially on IP2. I don't want to spend my day fighting with people. So if I could issue the strikes in the form of temporary bans with increasing length, I think that would work well from my end and would give the users a chance to change their behavior too.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:12:22+00:00

I can't look at one thread for vote manipulation, but if you have a series of threads that you think were all vote manipulated by the same person or group, I can run an analysis on those threads all together. A list of 8+ threads is ideal, but I can run the self-upvoting analysis on as few as 4 threads. If you make a list of threads, I will run it

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:09:37+00:00

So you're IP banned because you tripped one of our automatic sensors then. That means you were doing some activity that got flagged...

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:07:47+00:00

Yeah I wish we had more intermediate-level ban tools as well, I do think we can build a 24-hour ban, and a 3-day ban. I agree it would be more fair, especially for more established users. I have to build it though, it's probably a 10-hour project to create. Hopefully this month I can find time to knock it out.

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T20:01:11+00:00

Well that's comforting to know that even the veterans have trouble

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T19:59:41+00:00

Thanks. I wish it came across looking that way from you instead of looking like 5/95 lol

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T19:58:34+00:00

No you're obviously not, or else you couldn't post from this account anymore. Wtf are you even talking about at this point

magnora7 · 2020-08-04T19:57:11+00:00

If people wouldn't advocate violence, then I wouldn't have to ban anyone. I'm not too keen on spending my whole day keeping track of ban levels and warnings for people who are literally promoting murder and rape.

We're improving our tools, and I will probably build a ban function with a timer, but at the same time, people should not be saying this shit in the first place. We have the rule "no advocating violence" for a reason.

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