PSA: Our site culture is dropping. by wizzwizz4 in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks wizzwizz.

I appreciate you all who are being real and honest and well-spoken, and responding to the real core of what your debate "opponent" is saying when you get in a disagreement.

I've already seen some great debates happening on saidit where all the different sides of an argument were being stated very clearly and articulately, and it's amazing how much I can quickly learn! This is what saidit is for.

Sometimes we'll get steamed when we disagree with someone, but only engaging with the highest-quality arguments makes the culture of mud-slinging just naturally die out from people simply ignoring it because we know it's not worth our time.

It's a subtle thing to truly grasp, but I see lots and lots of people on saidit who "get it" and I'm proud of the community we've all built so far.

Brand New Here by DNM002 in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome! We're neither left nor right wing, that's basically the whole point of the site.

Here's our welcome message: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/37r/welcome_to_saiditnet/

Check out the pyramid of debate, it's the key to this site's culture. Let me know if you have any other questions!

A New Frontier: Operation Shuttit Down. by Jin in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting ideas. In my opinion, the best revenge is to build a separate place so wonderful and full of great information and community that reddit falls apart forever and people come here instead.

I can't say I care too much about spez lol. But that said, it's good to shine a spotlight on how reddit is falling apart, like in /s/meanwhileonreddit. I'm a big fan of documenting corruption and documenting the censorship of real information.

Issue regarding the pornographic rule by HorseMeat in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It should be allowed on the grounds that the sub moderator ensures the content remains within the 18+ range.

I don't want to spend all day keeping track of this and looking at porn, or keeping track of mods who have to do this. Also there is plenty of porn elsewhere on the internet. The internet is like half porn. Saidit is fine without it. It doesn't add anything valuable to the community, and in fact detracts in many ways.

It also makes perfect sense to not allow porn because it can easily be abused as an entry point to cause federal agencies to gain access to saidit, or shut down saidit. It is a tactical decision.

There are plenty of other sites that will cater to your porn needs, but saidit is not one of them.

Issue regarding the pornographic rule by HorseMeat in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't want to have to moderate tons of porn, and I don't want people to be able to post illegal porn to be able to shut down saidit. Porn is one of the few pieces of content that can can be used to shut down the site. It's also everywhere for anyone who wants it so there's absolutely no shortage of it, it's probably the least shortage of any information on the internet. So we don't need it.

Issue regarding the pornographic rule by HorseMeat in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Meh, go hang out on pornhub if that's what you really want. It already exists.

Should Saidit be hosted in Norway or Switzerland? by magnora7 in AskSaidIt

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah Sweden participates in NATO and interacts deeply with US intelligence agencies. It's not as free for us as Norway, who takes their security more seriously. We'd probably be better off in Texas than Sweden, tbh. Plus the ping isn't as good as Norway :P

Build Your Own by send_nasty_stuff in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder if it would be possible to found an internet nation...

PSA: Our site culture is dropping. by wizzwizz4 in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, but we cannot have infinite tolerance of crap posts, lest saidit become voat

Issue regarding the pornographic rule by HorseMeat in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP is wrong because that stuff bleeds over in to the front page and affects the culture and the way people behave on the site. There's just no reason to have it around. It brings almost only negatives, and very few positives.

Political cartoons pointing out obvious hypocrisy are apparently ban worthy now. by useless_aether in politics

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit, are all complete jokes at this point. Anyone still using them and expecting any modicum of free speech is kidding themselves.

But also on another point, just because someone who speaks the truth is hated, doesn't mean someone who is hated is automatically speaking the truth.

PSA: Our site culture is dropping. by wizzwizz4 in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well the thing is people don't like being told how to act. So the more you go "you all have to act like X" you get 20% who agree, then 20% who go "fuck that, no one tells me what to do, I'm going to do the opposite!" so in the end it's hard to tell if any real progress is made. The latter is called the "Backfire effect" in psychology.

This is also one reason I'm against having tons of rules, because it apparently just pisses everyone off and doesn't actually better define the culture of the site, and kind of just actually acts like a wedge. I think encouraging positivity is a more useful tool to the end of creating a good site culture, than trying to define ever-narrowing rules which just anger people who then feel attacked by those rules.

It's much easier to just group everything under the pyramid of debate, and give individual warnings as specific scenarios arrive, then do a '3 strikes you're out' system. Keeping everything low-pressure like this makes a better community, then trying to play "culture cop". If you see what I mean.

Voat used to have this thing called "protect voat" and it was basically a mob that descended on anyone they didn't like. It was one of the things that was supposed to stop the cultural backslide problem, but only served to intensify it. I try and learn from their mistakes.

This stuff is super tricky. I think it's one of those things where "less is more". And "If you do everything right, they won't know you've done anything at all". Both those quotes often come to mind when administrating or moderating. I haven't found a better technique, personally. But I do appreciate the PSA, everything said. The culture has to hold itself up, at the end of the day. But I think it works best by example, rather than by telling people how to act.

Anyway, that's kind of my take on this whole thing, because it is insanely complex and subtle to make it work right. So that's what I've figured out so far, hope that gives you food for thought.

We should hyperinflate money until rich people lose it all, then inflate it. by Teak in whatever

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When hyperinflation happens, the hyperwealthy just change currencies, or buy valuable assets like gold and silver (and aluminum, and oil, and so on).

Meanwhile the middle class are stuck in dollars, so they get screwed. It would make a lot of existing debts easier to pay off. But it would also make existing salaries worth less. So it's hard to say it'd be a net positive against the richest 0.1%, and in fact probably the opposite.

Should Saidit be hosted in Norway or Switzerland? by magnora7 in AskSaidIt

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Actually Norway is also not in the European Union (which is part of the reason why it's got such good privacy laws). But that's a very good point about article 13. EU countries are out of the running.

Reddit Takes First Step Against Adult Content by HorseMeat in MeanwhileOnReddit

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Meanwhile some amateur artist tries to self promote and they're seen as sellouts/insincere.

Ha so true. "You're promoting your own stuff? Dude stop spamming" even though you just mentioned it once. Meanwhile there are 5 mcdonalds-related posts on the front page

Saidit.net — April 17, 2019 — HTML5 expandos now support mp3, wav, ogg, and mp4 naively! Wiki link added. Home page listings further streamlined. by magnora7 in SaidIt

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, title edits are not allowed. That would mean someone could get something upvoted to the front page, then drastically change it, making people look like they agree with something they didn't vote on.

Issue regarding the pornographic rule by HorseMeat in SaidIt

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it definitely matters. It's very hard for them to shut down a server in switzerland, they have very intense privacy laws and the swiss government doesn't let the US government or other governments do stuff willy-nilly to data hosted physically in their country