etc.: legal slavery, homes for the homeless, from AltHyp reader comment
reddit user u/fullbloodedwhitemale dropped in with an idea of his about illegal immigration, nothing to do with the post (which is about US/MX border barrier design), but here is the source.
Plan B is offered briefly;
What about the cheap labor?
Use prison labor (perfectly legal under the 13th Amendment (see Section 1)) and vagrants (aka 'homeless', duh!) to do the work the illegals are doing now.
Offer the vagrants three choices: (1) Stop being homeless OR (2) accept room and board in return for sobriety and WORK (via job shops) OR (3) get arrested and be put to work (as a prisoner). The "couple of percent who truly are too ill to work" (citation in 2 reddit posts), we (Feds?) will take care of "after we've concluded they have no assets or income" (citation in same 2 reddit posts of previous link).
("we will take care of" is assumed? to mean provide medical care; too old or permanently disabled are not considered; fullbloodedwhitemale's unsupported claim seems to me glib, no wonder his posts using the same wording both received zero scores. Having "no assets or income" defines low productivity, more about this in Plan A)
The job shops partition out work the illegals are doing now: picking crops, processing chicken, sorting recyclables, cleaning buses, repairing hiking trails, picking up trash, etc.
(Plan B,) The employers (job shops) pay back the government to offset the cost of the room and board or incarceration.
(unjustified crowing:-) There are no other solutions. Get tough or accept vagrancy. This is bullet proof. Win Win Win Win Win. If you have a better solution, provide it.
Commentary by acloudrift
First glance, this seems like maybe a good idea, but author u/fullbloodedwhitemale does not go into supporting details, and offers no link to his prior study of this (but I do, see search list). Maybe he will see today's post and show us how he can do "better"? Meantime, I will proceed to investigate. But I'll give him this: at least Plan B does not whine about borders, or racism, like the typical Leftist crowd does.
First, let's check the scale of the problem (illegal immigrants). I'm showing the search returns, but there are plenty of relevant articles on first page of most searches.
estimated population of low wage illegal immigrants in USA
estimate range is 11 to 22 million
estimated population of able bodied prison inmates in USA
(able bodied excludes elderly or otherwise disabled prisoners, or too dangerous to let out)
population of prison inmates USA
County and city jails held 745,200 inmates at midyear 2017 (so excluding Federal prisons)
Federal USA prison population 2020 FBP
Previous links show total USA prison population less than a million. That's far shy of 10 million (conservative estimate) of low wage immigrants.
Putting prisoners to work outside of prison grounds requires significant extra security measures. These people are not earnestly trying to improve their lot like immigrants do, they are grudging slave labor, many of whom are fine with committing violence or other criminal offenses. Employers cannot realistically expect much productivity, and possible spiteful sabotage. You think illegals are dangerous? Wait till you see what havoc proven criminals can do.
Penal labor in USA
estimated population of able bodied vagrants in USA
this search return is scarce, but see this infographic many vagrants are so because of disabilities, some of which may be due to mental retardation and neuroses
causes of vagrancy
If you assume vagrants are defined by "homeless" so they fall into this statistic... estimated population of homeless people
over half million since 2007
Background info: history of poor house in USA
So first round, populations of prisoners and homeless combined are less than a million, while the low wage immigrants are SEVERAL times that, to say the least. Plan B cannot be a 'solution' because there is no correspondence in manpower. But realistically, it's worse...
compare competence of prison labor to immigrant labor
A Disturbing Trend in Agriculture: Prisoner-Picked Vegetables author is a SJW out of NY, so East Coast Leftist. She is trying to make the case about racism. But the article has merit on facts, and several of the other returns (also Leftist, promoting more immigration) do too.
Searching for evidence of mismatch in competence appears to be a time consuming project, but I'm pretty sure there is a big mismatch on it.
Welfare entitlements subsidize chronic poverty which is associated with negative productivity (a net cost to society). Suppose welfare was gradually reduced to zero or to only temporary support, example EED.
It's reasonable to assume some of the poor would find work, and some proceed to crime or other nefarious activities (eg. riots, beggary, etc.). How many persons receive permanent welfare payments? That's about 60 million people, about 2/5 of whom are women with dependent children.
This investigation is getting deeper and deeper into speculation on unknowns. For now, I'm simply going to reply with my own Plan A, an outrageous alternative to Plan B.
[–]fullbloodedwhitemale 2 points approved by acloudrift at Sun Jan 19 13:24:19 2020 UTC
We could get rid of illegals in a month - if we wanted to. Problem is, nobody wants to.
Hispanics don't want their brothers to leave. Consumers don't want higher prices for food and services. Investors don't want increased labor costs.
BUT, there is a solution:
Enforce E-Verify and eliminate birthright citizenship (or make it restricted jus soli). Do those two things and we wouldn't even need a wall - the illegals would deport themselves.
OK now what? What about the cheap labor?
Use prison labor (perfectly legal under the 13th Amendment) and vagrants to do the work the illegals are doing now.
Offer the vagrants three choices: Stop being homeless OR accept room and board in return for sobriety and WORK (via job shops) OR get arrested and be put to work. The couple of percent who truly are too ill to work, we will take care of (after we've concluded they have no assets or income). The job shops partition out work the illegals are doing now: picking crops, processing chicken, sorting recyclables, cleaning buses, repairing hiking trails, picking up trash, etc. The employers pay back the government to offset the cost of the room and board or incarceration. There are no other solutions. Get tough or accept vagrancy.This is bullet proof. Win Win Win Win Win. If you have a better solution, provide it.
[–]fullbloodedwhitemale 1 point
low in motivation which is correlated to IQ.
Never heard that before. Look at how hard Amer-Indian Hispanics work.
Here is another solution you ignored... deport 10% to 20% (maybe more) of the general population
I didn't ignore it. I just realize it is impossible.
criteria: status (income and means of occupation), and having sponsoring entities who both qualify to stay (and take responsibility for support of deportee "candidate", being mostly children and dependent parents)