Do you think it should be a crime to tell pre-teens (14 and below) about transgenderism and trans people?

submitted by bucetao6969 from self.AskSaidIt

That actually was one of the laws I saw passing on america. I think the intent is not to cause gender dysphoria or make the child go through what is the modern "emo phase". Do aggre or disaggre with it?

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    [–]Rah 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Its the parents' responsability, not the schools', to teach kids about sex and reproduction.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    School should be able to teach if they have parent's consent.

    [–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    If it is an elective subject not included in the curriculum and teached outside traditional school time, whatever.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Yes. You can't be against this.

    [–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I am though.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    If parents are unable to teach sex ad to their teenager, who will do it then? Because from what I understand it would be the school in that situation. The parents get to choose if they teach it or the school teaches it.

    [–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Parents are always able, since they needed the basic education to conceive the kid receiving the education in the first place. Those who leave third parties to teach their kid in mass-facilities, mainly in such personal topics, are dooming their bloodline.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Unfortunately, you're never going to reason all the (mostly female) teachers

    blow jobs, glory holes or golden showers.

    I can't imagine being a teenager in school and having my teacher use these phrases.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "Gender theory" is pretty broad. It's interdisciplinary, not exclusively science.

    Or are you saying that only science should be taught in any school, and we should do away with the arts and humanities entirely?

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    OP didn't specify schools

    [–]Node 8 insightful - 8 fun8 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

    No, they should be told about homosexuals and transvestites as part of their marksmanship training.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    they should be told about homosexuals and transvestites as part of their marksmanship training.

    Node's School for Spartans

    [–]IkeConn 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    Full disclosure. I think they need to be shown pictures of girls with their tits cut off, boys with their peckers cut off, and the long term effects of puberty blockers. Full disclosure.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    I think they need to be shown pictures of girls with their tits cut off, boys with their peckers cut off, and the long term effects of puberty blockers.

    Bring in a 30-something dying of an infected penisussy.
    Like they did in the 90's with DARE and drug users.

    [–]IkeConn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Yea. Let's do that.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Based!

    [–]passionflounder 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Too open-ended a question. One can discuss a matter without pushing it. In a school setting, it's inappropriate for teachers to fill young heads with any social engineering info.

    In any case, the whole tranny craze is nothing more than demagoguery engineered to create division and confusion and has zero to do with group advocacy. Discussing it diverts from more important matters, like addressing those who are pushing identity politics for the purpose of undermining civil society and promoting mental illness so that its sufferers can be exploited.

    [–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    IDK about "crime," but school curricula are subject to legislation, and I think they should exclude any discussion of hooh-hahs and wing-wangs. Kids don't need "sex education," at least not at school.

    And FWIW, kids mostly agree with me. I grew up in the Deep South in the early 1990s, and even then and there the "sex education" we were subjected to disgusted us and just made us think our teacher was a pervert. I can only imagine the shit teachers would say now under the guise of "sex education." It must be absolutely appalling.

    [–]passionflounder 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I can only imagine the shit teachers would say now

    I'm guessing that the "lessons" may in fact not be in lecture form but in printed material that is distributed. As I understand it, there's an push to use the education system to indoctrinate perversion and mental illness as normal lifestyle choices and to exclude the parent from the process. School boards that advocate for that type of "curriculum" should face immediate removal from their positions- with parents having the authority to do so- enforced locally.

    As egregious as it is, the rampant abuse should not be reason to grow government even more.

    [–]Threesrwild 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That isn’t an issue. The issue is who tells them and how it is taught. I don’t some dumb asshat teacher teaching my kids about transgenderism. I want to be the one to do so.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Good point. A lot of parent concerns where that they where being teached this without parental consent.

    [–]Dontcaretoday 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You kind of have to teach kids about transgenderism nowadays so that they're aware it's bullshit before someone else gets to them first, and convinces them it's normal and they should consider if they are a different gender themselves.

    [–]Mcheetah 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    A crime to mention it? No.

    A crime to try to persuade a child to change their gender behind their parents back? Yes.

    A crime to give children under 15 hormone blockers and try to change their biology in the name of transgenderism? Absolutely. Fuck this shit.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    You think a adult should be able to tell a 5 year old about transgenderism?

    [–]Mcheetah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I think any responsible adult wouldn't tell a five year old such fucked-up shit the same way they wouldn't tell them about the Holocaust or rape.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    But when you say "leave little kids alone" you get cancelled.

    [–]Mcheetah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    No you don't.

    [–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    yes you do

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It shouldn't be in the year 1 curriculum.

    But if a child of any age asks a question, a teacher should not have to break the law or lie.

    [–]KyleIsThisTall 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    It should be illegal for them to exist. They're all pedos.

    [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I'm not. But even if what you said were true, it's already illegal to commit sexual acts with a minor, so no need for a trans ban.

    [–]KyleIsThisTall 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    And yet they still do it. Those drag shows, in libraries, schools, and churches of all places, and in government establishments. You all molest children, you sick freaks.

    [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't like any of it.

    [–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    No. I support freedom of speech.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    No. I support freedom of speech.

    I do too. However state mandated degeneracy courses aren't about free speech.

    We're talking about fisting, and butt sex.

    These aren't independently minded persons, or enlightened educators.

    The voices of concern are silenced. It's the opposite of free speech.

    [–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm taking the OP literally. He didn't talk about anything state-mandated, fisting, or anal sex.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    He didn't talk about anything state-mandated

    He didn't. But it's so bad, that it's taught in pubic schools.

    Most people aren't up in arms about weird family telling their weird children about their weird predilections.

    They're outraged that their children are involuntarily exposed to filth in the classroom.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Why does your "freedom of speech" requires you to disseminate transgenderism to pre-14 year olds?

    [–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    In the OP you literally just mention telling people about transgenderism. Should parents be imprisoned for pointing out the phenomenon to their own children? I don't want to live in a police state. If you meant something else by "telling people about", you should've been more specific.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Should parents be imprisoned for pointing out the phenomenon to their own children

    Because like I said, it could cause gender dysphoria if the child learns they could be the "other gender".

    [–]UncleWillard56 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Depends on who you're talking about. Do I think teachers or people who deal with kids should just be allowed to blindly have discussions about sexuality, gender, orientation with children? Absolutely not. The first words out of their mouths should be "ask your parents." If the parents are okay with it, then fine. Or if the parents would rather meet privately with those folks and give their guidance as it regards their children, then fine. There is no academic reason to have any discussions about transgenderism with anyone under 18, imo. They have their adulthood to look into that. Let them have their childhood. It baffles me the value we put on gender and sexuality. It has become less about who you are as an individual, and more about activism and virtue signaling.

    [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The problem is not that they know about trannies or their beliefs. The problem is that children too young to think for themselves are being indoctrinated with lies and absolutely insane propaganda. They are getting mindfucked by groomers. That needs to be illegal.

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    No, they should be made aware that men are dirty like dogs and have disgusting fetishes they destroy their lives and families for.

    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Yeah, let's make all the boys hate themselves and probably become suicidal and let girls bully them because all men are pigs and rapists who don't deserve human rights, right? /s

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Boys are just as much victims of these men as girls.

    Or did you forget those abused men exist?

    [–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    lets focus on women

    [–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm different jet.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    tell them all white people are opressors and all black people are victims too! /s

    [–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    When do you see evidence of white people oppressing all over the internet every day?

    [–]William_World 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    that'd be good but can't be enforced

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Why would it be good?

    [–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    best not to brainwash children

    [–]IMissPorn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    No. But it should be a crime to censor dissenting ideas. That's the real problem. If children hear both sides, most of them will be fine. And if not, they were stupid anyway so we're better off with them sterilized. But when all they hear is propaganda, and from supposed "authorities" like teachers no less, we have a problem.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    We're talking about 5 year olds

    [–]IMissPorn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The title literally says "below 14". if you meant below 6 you should have written that.

    But still no.

    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What the fuck? Hell no. The last thing we need is more censorship and government controlling our lives.

    [–]Rah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, it should be a crime for anyone but the parents' explicitly authorized people and content to be taught to children.

    [–]RandumbZer0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Kids should learn about all Fictional 'man-made' synthetic things in order to prevent them from thinking mental illness is something that shouldn't be treated.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Like frankestein?

    [–]RandumbZer0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, exactly like the mentally ill, Fictional 'doctor' character that was written to think he knew better than natural state of things.

    [–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Why would you want to talk about it, you want your kid to be an idiot ?.

    [–]andomedairon 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That's a really tough question! It really depends on the context, but I don't think it should be criminalized to share knowledge about trans people and transgenderism with pre-teens. Every kid should feel supported and empowered to explore their own identity if they want to.

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Transgenderism exists. Making it a crime for kids to know about it has no merit.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Nobody is saying it doesn't exist

    What people are saying is... could this be malicious? Potentially confusing a 5 year old into having gender dysphoria?

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Transvestitism exists. There is no such thing as transgenderism.

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    What do you mean there's no such thing as transgenderism?

    You mean you've never personally experienced it?

    Or that all the literature about it is a conspiracy theory by the shape-shifting lizards?

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Human mammals can't change their sex. Mutilating ones genitals into a Frankencunt or a Frankendick doesn't change one's sex. Pretending to be a different sex is called transvestitism. "Transgenderism" is simply a fantasy that's impossible in real life.

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Human mammals can't change their sex.

    Well. That's kind of nuanced isn't it?

    Why isn't what Eliot Page has done "changing sex", in your definition?

    Mutilating ones genitals into a Frankencunt or a Frankendick doesn't change one's sex.

    Doesn't it? What is sex?

    Pretending to be a different sex is called transvestitism.

    No. Transvestism is just cross-dressing.

    "Transgenderism" is simply a fantasy that's impossible in real life.

    Nothing you've said results in that conclusion. Whether or not people can change their sex, they can still identify as a sex that's different from what they were assigned at birth.

    In some cases there's a judgement call as to which sex they are assigned at birth.