QT: If anorexics identify as underweight, is it wrong to give them weight-restoring treatment?

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[–]yousaythosethings 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I can’t tell you who you are but you can’t tell me who I am either.

Who is allowed to tell Rachel Dolezal that she is white, not black?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I’m not going to bother to explain to you how race is different than gender. But this example is tired.

[–]yousaythosethings 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Then link me to where you've answered this question before. Presumably there are people who can tell Rachel she's not black, or no? Are there people who cannot? What determines which category someone falls into? How do I know which category I fall into?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Race isn’t gender. Also sex isn’t gender.

[–]yousaythosethings 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

OK cool so explain where the analogies break down. Race and gender are both social constructs tied to the physical/biological.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Gender isn’t tied to the biological. It’s social and personal. Race is an artificial construct but one with a biological basis or at least an “apparent” one.

[–]yousaythosethings 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You think nothing about gender, including the idea of women being expected to be caretakers is related to women's unique ability to grow life within our bodies and nourish that life from our bodies immediately after birth?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That’s not a unique ability to women. Men give birth. As do non-binary people.

[–]yousaythosethings 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Not for 99.999999999999999% of human history and now only in the workest of woke circles.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans men have been around for a long time even if they couldn’t always have hormones.

[–]emptiedriver 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That’s not a unique ability to women. Men give birth. As do non-binary people.

Yes it f*cking well is. Men do NOT give birth. Masculine women give birth. But every single person on this earth was born from a woman. That is the fundamental difference between male and female, what makes not having children different for women, what makes sex different for women, what makes monthly cycles different for women, what makes having control of our bodies so important to women. It makes our bodies different to be structured to have this capacity (even if the system is broken, that is the system women have).

It's insane that someone can say this with a straight face

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again man and male are different. As are woman and female. Trans men give birth. They are men.