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[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Men who have the surgery get counted as women in news and crime stats.

This is a problem with society counting these men as women, rather than men getting surgeries.

Men accessing women’s spaces is harming women

They can access these spaces with and without surgery anyways, because surgery in many places isn't even required for a person to be counted as the opposite sex.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yep. And making it easier will not help women in any way. And I’m ethically against cosmetic genital surgery.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How does genital surgery make it easier or not easier for men to access female spaces? Since when do we look into a person's pants every time they enter a bathroom? If there is any confusion, we look at their ID, and legal female sex can now be obtained by enough people that the increasing numbers of male people (both trans and not) barging into female spaces is starting to become a noticeable problem.

Also being ethically against something =/= outlawing it.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It makes the entire transgender claim easier to make, puts men in places like gynocologists offices.

Men are already a problem and allowing unethical surgery doesn’t help.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It makes the entire transgender claim easier to make

Requiring surgery makes it harder for any man to say he's a woman, as opposed to him just having to change his pronouns. I truly have no idea what you're on about here.

puts men in places like gynocologists offices.

That has little to do with whether genital surgery itself should be outlawed. You are taking these entirely separate things and insisting that another thing should be outlawed solely because those separate things are being abused by similar/same people.

allowing unethical surgery doesn’t help.

Considering how much value men put into worshipping each other's dicks, I consider them castrating themselves an improvement, so long as they don't get recognised as women for doing it.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok.