Alleged Trans incident at upscale LA Spa may have been staged

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[–]Juniperius 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So is it perfectly fine and reasonable for a transwoman to brandish a dick at little girls who are also nude in a women's only nude space, and a goal of trans activism to make women and girls accept it without objection,,,

Or

Is it something that a right wing religious extremist made up to make transwomen look like predators, to throw gasoline on the culture wars?

Because I really don't see how both could be true. Either you say the transwoman did nothing wrong, or you say, a transwoman wouldn't do that, you're just trying to make us look bad. Either you stand by the action, or you disavow it. Either it's your inalienable right to get your dick out around anyone at all, whether they like it or not, or it's something that was invented in the paranoid fervid imagination of a fascist wingnut.

Make up your minds. It's starting to remind me of the rhetoric around the Jan 6th insurrection. They were just peaceful tourists, and the cops let them in, and it was antifa that broke in and got violent, and no we won't let you investigate!

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

You’re confused. It is absolutely fine for the trans woman to be there but it feels a bit silly if a specific incident is fabricated. Like no one denies that racially based violence occurs but jussie smollet seems pretty silly if he made up an attack.

[–]Juniperius 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, that's not parallel at all, because I'm pretty sure you would admit that racially based violence is bad. So: it would be a bad thing if it happened, therefore someone makes up it happening as a false flag, whether to make the other side look bad, garner sympathy, whatever. That's not contradictory. But in the Wi Spa case, the trans activist position is that it would be a good thing if it happened, therefore someone made it up as a false flag. Can you see how that is different from your example? Can you see how it doesn't make sense?

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If it was faked, then it means the male spa staffer behind the desk in the video initially and the female manager who appeared later were both in on it. As were all the other people shown, including the woman at the desk asking for her money back.

Also, the woman complaining in the video footage never said the penis parader was trans. The spa staff said that. And so did the guy with the mustache who approached the woman to tell her she's "a dick." But the woman herself just kept saying that the person whose presence she & others objected to in the women's section "has a penis." Her issue was with the dick waver's male anatomy, not his/her/their gender identity.

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This a debate sub. Where is the debate here? You didn't even bothered writing your own thoughts.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

I didn’t see a box for text when I submitted it

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have to click on the "send a new text post" button that is below "send a new link" button. If you want to include links you have to put them within the text post.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And all attacks on women filmed were staged too, and all 3 cases of "penis in front of underage girls" we know were staged, even one year ago. Those evil terves attacked themselves, so trans activists will look evil!

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

I mean in such a scenario they would’ve failed as the situations described didn’t involve any wrongdoing, but I’m just saying what the article is saying, I wasn’t there or anything so I can’t confirm what actually happened obviously

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are no cameras in such places (for obvious reasons), but we have at least 3 women in different time speaking about this issue, when they had small girls around - that manly looking male with penis was very close to their kid. Two other situations were year and a half ago and half a year ago, but they had no publicity. Current one had publicity only because it went viral and because of the antifa and pro-trans attack on peacefully protested woman - news were not able to ignore that anymore.

[–]FlanJam 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

I hope it was fake. But the source seems bias, and the (lack of) evidence they provide is unconvincing. The fact that they published this article at all is kinda weird, if they really think its fake they should keep digging instead of publishing prematurely.

But even if it were fake, it doesn't change the core issue. And the violence from the protests is still disturbing.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (23 children)

How would you find evidence for a story about lack of evidence? Also is the blade not reputable?

[–]FlanJam 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

You could find evidence that the woman who filmed the original video faked it. Or get her to admit it's fake. Or maybe collect testimony from women at the spa saying there was no trans people there.

I've never heard of the blade before, but the way this article was written does not inspire confidence.

[–]worried19 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There are at least two women confronting the manager, unless this magazine is accusing them both of making up a story out of the blue.

https://media.spinster.xyz/9ede9577d6ad2eaea2ef0f61c319ebc886566c04891d32a882c202744761daf0.mp4

Why the hell would they do that and interrupt a relaxing spa day? It's clearly nonsense. Notice no one started saying it was fake until Antifa attacked the protesters.

[–]FlanJam 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you, there's no reason to think its fake. This article is basically conjecture and they shouldn't have published it as is tbh. I was just telling Heimdekledi what kind of evidence I think would be compelling.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

Because they’re religious bigots who are trying to make a point? Also what about the source at the spa who said there wasn’t a trans woman at the spa that day?

[–]MarkTwainiac 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The woman complaining in the video footage never said the penis parader was trans. The spa staff said that. And so did the guy with the mustache who approached the woman to tell her she's "a dick." But the woman herself just kept saying that the person whose presence she & others objected to in the women's section "has a penis."

Whatever her religious & political views, her issue was with the dick waver's male anatomy, not his/her/their gender identity.

[–]worried19 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Anonymous sources" who won't go on the record?

So these two "religious bigots" meet at the spa, total strangers, and decide to concoct a story about a fictional trans person in the jacuzzi near a 9 year old and 14 year old? It's ludicrous and insulting.

And there are other women who have had this type of experience at Wi Spa. This woman, a Democrat, and her 6 year old daughter experienced the same thing in January of 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAkUwLqzp-M

[–]questioningtw 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Don't you just LOVE modern media?

I am so tired of having to wonder if what I am reading from the news is even true anymore.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

I mean they did mention that a source at the spa said there weren’t any trans people in the spa that day

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

How would they know since, according to your own arguments, it is impossible to see if someone is male, female, or transgender?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

All trans people have a gender appropriate cutie mark on their ass .

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

you cant answer that one and had to back way up to a mediocre joke, huh?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

I mean you’re question was worded offensively in the first place. Transgender people are not a separate category

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes they are Besides, you always skip to language policing when you realise you fucked up and have made an argument that contradicts your past ones.

You will never control my language or thought. Kindly respond to my actual points, admit you have been proven wrong, or just don’t respond further if all you’ll be doing is making futile attempts to make me obey you.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, many days after this incident, spa staff said that none of their regular trans-identified customers had booked specific services that day.

But that's not an indication of whether a penis & balls possessing human decided to avail himself of the spa's general entrance "trans friendly" policy in order to infiltrate female-only spaces that day.

[–]FlanJam 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Now I'm confused. Why did you ask "How would you find evidence for a story about lack of evidence?" if you already have an example of evidence?

Rabbit holes aside, my point is this story is flimsy and probably shouldn't have been publish in this state.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

I mean the evidence is the lack of evidence so it feels like a weird situation?

[–]FlanJam 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well kind of, I guess? You pointed out a source at the spa, that's one kind of evidence. And like I mentioned before, you can seek out evidence that the woman planned to fabricated the incident. Not saying it would be easy to prove if it was staged. But the article should've sought out more evidence before claiming it may have been staged. At this point it just feels like conjecture.

[–]questioningtw 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They could easily be saying that to try to cover their asses.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

They don’t need to cover their asses there would have been nothing wrong if a trans woman were using the area.

[–]questioningtw 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So then are there a bunch of people that said their was a male in the dressing room for no reason? Sorry, I just don't believe that.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Two people so far, those making the accusations. That’s not a lot

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Only QT think that way, but most people don't think a male should be there just because he says he is a "woman". That is why TRA are saying now that this incident is a hoax made up by "transphobes" who want to smear trans identified people despite that Californian law does indeed allow any male to enter female only spaces as long as he says the magic words.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Not really, people are saying it was a hoax because there appears to be no evidence to the contrary except for the words of some christian bigots.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Isn’t it telling that the knife-wielding man sending threats is listed in the same sentence as “anti-trans feminists” as though the women are the ones being violent.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

The link to the flyer doesn't work. I need to know what it said before having feelings about the post to Spinster, which I can read. It's definitely not above gender critical women to defend the far right, but I'm not sure how much things have devolved since I left all related groups years ago.

Seems like the kind of event WOLF would love, and all of us who disagree hate Christian women, etc.

A right-wing protestor drew a gun on a person recording the event and told him it was “something to shoot you with.” A videographer wearing a vest marked “PRESS” was struck from behind by a right wing protester with a metal pipe. Another anti-trans protester stabbed two people

Like, don't say we didn't warn you, though.

Anyhow I'm assuming the writer would't make up major events like this, but they hardly come across as objective so it's hard to parse other parts of the article. Speaking of fakes, I've always felt the "IT'S MA'AM" video was staged and this is a good reminder to stay skeptical at all times.

[–]worried19 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sadly, the individual from the "It's Ma'am" video is active on social media and seems to be quite a troubled person with possible drug issues. Blaire White did a video on that a while back, if you're interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21xqLKWKMrQ

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Uh really disturbing watching it back knowing that is a parent with full custody. :/

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree it's alway good to stay skeptical at all times. But the person in the "It's Ma'am" video - Tiffany (Christopher) Moore, a felon with a long rap sheet - confirmed it happened. Tiffany has left a lot of receipts online before & after that event showing that Tiffany is very much for real.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/trans-woman-explains-cursed-gamestop-cashier-viral-video-blatant-malicious-hate-162919129.html

https://www.insider.com/tiffany-moore-says-she-was-misgendered-gamestop-employee-2019-1

https://twitter.com/notworthmessing/status/1086661296748138497

Tiffany's own rap video in response to the Game Stop event: https://youtu.be/nR8sWaJw1H8

Another video by Tiffany titled "Terfs can eat a bag of dicks": https://youtu.be/Ig_qHZeQPD0

Blaire White video on Tiffany Moore: https://youtu.be/21xqLKWKMrQ

Tiffany also posted footage on Twitter of Tiffanyself with dick out standing up peeing in a toilet bowl whilst saying there will be hell to pay to anyone who claims Tiffany & Tiffany's dick don't belong in women's loos & other female spaces.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh my god, it's real. Thanks for the information.

[–]kwallio 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

The its maam thing was definitely not staged, the its maam person is active on social media and is quite the weirdo.

[–]questioningtw 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So, basically we need to stop trusting anything then. if this was a hoax, then why where there a few people adament that it happened? Why would people make up a story like this for no reason?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Because theyre christian bigots who want to get on the news

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How do you know they are christians? How do you know they want to be on the news?