GC: What do you think about the concept of peaking people?

submitted by worried19 from self.GCdebatesQT

This question is open to anyone who is GC or GC-leaning.

On Ovarit, there are frequent posts about peaking one's friends and family members. For anyone not aware, this means to bring them to "peak trans," in essence to convert them to a more gender critical position.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peak%20trans

What do you think about the concept? Is this something that you have done in your own life? How many people have you peaked?

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[–]NeedMoreCoffeeGC 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I resent the choice of words you use namely "to convert them to a more gender critical position"

We aren't a cult or a religion. In fact it's the other way around. When we talk about peaking we mean that the fog lifts and we can finally see the big picture.

This is why the "gender critical" movement is so large and compasses so many different kinds of people. This isn't really a group of like minded people it's a group of all sorts of people who realise something fishy is going on.

I have conversations with people if they ask me questions but i don't do the peaking. The trans activists manage to do that themselves. You can even see this from the peak stories on Ovarit. Most of them are something like "I used to be a complete TRA but then i met several trans people irl or i thought x,y and z made no sense and I peaked"

[–]worried19[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't mean anything negative by it. Maybe "convert" was a poor choice of words. Unless someone is already a TRA, they don't have to be converted. Or I guess deconverted since no one starts off a TRA.

[–]censorshipment 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I fully support it and do it myself! I send videos to my relatives, friends and girlfriend that are shared on the LGBdroptheT sub, and we discuss what's being said by trans folk and how we feel about it.

My girlfriend is a 40+ year old late bloomer who came out in April. She had no idea that heterosexual males are identifying as transgender lesbians. I warned her that her husband, of 15+ years (they're separated and don't live together), could "transition" and say that he's a lesbian, and then accuse her of "transphobia" for divorcing him. She said she always thought he was gay, but he loves lesbian porn and feminine women although my girlfriend is actually quite masculine/gnc. She said he's a metrosexual who loves shopping, getting manicures and pedicures, has a skincare routine... so he's basically gnc as well. On the latebloomerlesbians subreddit, a lot of them have said they're attracted to effeminate men... and some of those men turned out to either be gay/bi or trans.

She is terrified that if we break up, she may accidentally date a "transbian" and see a dick again. She said she never wants to interact with male genitalia ever again in her life.

Her husband sexually traumatized her which I told her was likely corrective rape. Before they got married, a few people asked him was she a lesbian because she was such a tomboy... and she said he proposed and they got married quickly. He didn't care that she wasn't aroused by him... he didn't care that she cried during sex and sometimes threw up afterwards.

Sounds similar to what "transbians" want to do to lesbians and that cotton ceiling shit.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I’ve peaked a few people lol. The fact is, most people don’t need to be peaked because they haven’t bought into the BS. The truth seems to be that most people support supporting trans people (as in making sure they are "safe" and not going to kill themselves because their sex was acknowledged). They don’t tend to actually support what qt claims or believes- they support the idea that qt doesn’t cause harm and just want to pee and live in peace. But that’s true for most situations. Most people can offer superficial "support" or just neutrality when they think they understand the gist of a situation but don’t really care about the situation.

Honestly I don’t think we have to do anything, qt/tras do it for us.

Most of the people here mentioned they peaked from something that a trans person or tra said/did, or an unfair policy that they became aware of or the general madness as a whole.

I don’t seek people out to peak them and I honestly don’t even talk about this stuff irl much unless somehow it comes up at random, but I say the same stuff I say here. The difference is the people who get peaked aren’t trans, they may have a vested interest in being kind or caring for the marginalized (which is why tras get support initially- pandering to this idea of protecting those who need protection and relying on emotional manipulation)- they don’t have a vested interest in believing in trans ideology. If You present facts to a logical thinker, they tend to have no choice but to acknowledge the truth of the situation. If You ask them to make sense of what qt is saying- they can’t. Even qt can’t.

I’m sure there are people who aren’t trans who are just too deep in, but Ive only encountered one person like that irl. With them, it’s apparent they are repeating the party line, they are telling us what they’ve been taught to believe, not what they’d have come to on their own. You see them scramble for a response, you see them get frustrated and flustered And cling because it’s a cult like mentality and they have to cling or they don’t know how to respond so they just dismiss you as a bigot. If you can get them to do that in front of other people- they’ve peak those other people lol

That’s a long winded way of saying tras peak for us, but if we actually attempt to intentionally do it ourselves it’s very easy.

[–]questioningtw 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Most people take people at their word and if they see say Blaire White as a woman, then they will treat her like one. But the aren't going to believe that she was always a woman or that she has a female body. Same with any trans person that is actally living as a man or woman. I don't believe for a second though that anyone actually thinks men get pregant or that there are genders like nonbinary or genderfluid but they don't want to appear mean so they don't say anything.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t think it’s actual conversion tactics so much as a funny term for asking some very simple questions and allowing the person to see the flaws in tra rhetoric themselves.

Idk that showing a female friend the kind of men she’s ignorantly defending is really conversion of any kind. I consider it education. (Not the kind you lecture to people! Usually I’m asked why I look so bemused or grossed out and genderists is the answer)

[–]FlanJam 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Imo QT probably peaks more people than GC does. A lot of GC seem to be former QT who "peaked" because QT was too extreme for them. Funny how that is.

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I'm one of them. I'm pretty sure I would have stayed QT if they hadn't decided to go off the deep end.

[–]FlanJam 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same here. Used to be QT but as I learned more about what they actually believe, I could no longer accept it. I wonder if their beliefs are even sustainable in the long run. I mean, they can't even agree on a definition of woman. Not to mention they're just plain wrong about biological facts.

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I have not yet peaked anyone except for my partner. And even with him, it wasn't like he changed his mind. He's a tolerant person, of course, but he was never a TRA.

I don't have any particular objection to the idea, but the majority of my friends and family members are just not in tune with this stuff. I think it would be weird to bring it up with them. I don't like the idea of gender ideology intruding into my family life in particular. My family knows me as female and to my knowledge, they have never doubted that.

I do have one gay male friend that I'm curious about. He's never mentioned trans issues to me, but I haven't brought it up because I don't know what he would say. I don't think he's woke. For what it's worth, he's a Harry Potter fan and hasn't thrown away his shirts or other merchandise and has never brought up J.K. Rowling. I'd be interested to get other people's thoughts. Should I try to find out his stance? Should I try to peak him?

[–]questioningtw 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You can ask him if he has tried reading her mystery novels and see what he says. If he talks about how he know doesn't read any of her books, you can talk to him about how you feel.

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's a good idea. He's not into mystery novels, so I was thinking about asking him about The Ickabog.

[–]questioningtw 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Did you end up asking him?

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not yet. I probably should. Maybe next time I see him.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see how it would be awkward to bring up too much of that stuff around people who are really unaccustomed to it, that's what would keep me from introducing the topic. Since most of your friends and family members aren't in tune with this stuff, which position do you think they would all lean? Do you think that if your family were to be introduced to this stuff that they might encourage you to transition or try to convince you that you're trans?

It would be interesting to find out what your friend knows and doesn't know, and what his position is on this stuff! If he's wearing Harry Potter t-shirts then I would imagine he isn't too invested in trans and QT beliefs, or at least associating with those communities or too many of those kinds of people. What do you think you would say/do to try to peak him?

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Since most of your friends and family members aren't in tune with this stuff, which position do you think they would all lean?

Speaking of my immediate family, parents and siblings, I think they'd lean to the GC side. I can't imagine anyone in my family ever agreeing with things like child transition or natal males in women's prisons. But they might be more supportive on issues like public restrooms. I think right now they're just uninformed. There's no way my parents are in tune with trans topics, and my brother and sister have never mentioned it either. I'm sure they know it exists, but that it's somewhere "out there." Much like how I used to be before I really started looking into it. If anyone was going to go the TRA side, it would probably be my little sister since she's more sensitive.

Do you think that if your family were to be introduced to this stuff that they might encourage you to transition or try to convince you that you're trans?

Definitely not. I'm their daughter/sister. I know my parents assumed I was gay (before I came home with a male partner), but I don't know if it ever occurred to them that I would be trans. They met my partner in 2015 so it's obvious now that I'm not a lesbian, and I think the concept of being a gay trans man would not be on their radar at all. It's just too unusual, along with identities like non-binary.

If he's wearing Harry Potter t-shirts then I would imagine he isn't too invested in trans and QT beliefs, or at least associating with those communities or too many of those kinds of people. What do you think you would say/do to try to peak him?

Yeah, I was thinking if he was a TRA, he would have either stopped wearing or showing his Harry Potter merchandise or at least distanced himself from Rowling. I don't think he's really in the "queer" community. He had a boyfriend for a short time who he met online and has been single the rest of the time I've known him. But he's not involved in any community or activist groups. If I were going to peak him, I'd bring up Rowling. Seems like the easiest way in. I'd ask him what he thinks about her or if he knows that she's now controversial.

[–]emptiedriver 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think of the concept of peaking as like the straw the broke the camel's back - it's come to be used for educating anyone in any scenario about trans stuff, but I originally remember it as referencing your own peak, which was, when did you hit that tipping point that made you just go, oh, wait. This just does not make any sense! After which all the things that had been sort of foggy but accepted as politically expected became clear because the whole thing was BS.

So peaking someone else would be helping them to reach that last straw and get over the libfem stuff that's been blinding them, and that's why it doesn't work the other way, because the TQ version is just paradoxical. Being pro diversity is one thing but claiming that men are women is just misunderstanding the basic biological realities of the human bodies. That's why once you've peaked you see clearly that physical bodies are not performance art. We can build different societies that are better attuned to various individuals and don't expect the same behavior from people just because they belong to categories, but to just say the categories are non existent when they are literally how every single person is born is incoherent.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

truth is the pinnacle, so onward to the peak! I think in this case it is really just a case of Plato's idea that all learning is just remembering. The truth shall set you free, and in this case it is not anyone one person that "peaks" the other but the self-evident truth.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't know if I have ever really peaked anyone. I would like to think that maybe I've gotten people who know I'm trans to give thought to trans rights activism and gender ideology, just by not going along with it and criticizing it. For those who don't know I'm trans, I think it's not something I would really dare to bring up or talk about for fear of being labelled a transphobe and facing the negative reaction that label permits. I never talk about pronouns or gender identity or even gender really, just biological sex when it's relevant, avoiding enabling or reinforcing QT and pro-trans rhetoric or ideological beliefs.

But I agree with other commenters, I don't think there really is that much one has to do to peak people other than sort of gently guide them to see the problem themselves just by presenting it without much explanation. At least for people who are impartial. To peak QT-leaning people, I'm not sure what that takes--perhaps something more drastic?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think people who are QT leaning will eventually either peak/be peaked by something themselves on accident. I peaked myself on accident lol

I think if they are challenged in person, and have to attempt to answer the questions we always dissect here, they’d maybe question things, or at least themselves. I questioned how I couldn’t understand something they expected me to understand… and here I am now lol

Also, can I ask a semi tangential question? What does it feel like to be trans and accused of being transphobic (if that’s ever happened)?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That makes sense, I can believe it since that's kind of what happened to me, too. All they (the trans community) had to do was tell me to respect pronouns at all costs and inadvertently point me in the direction of Ovarit.

QT doesn't seem particularly conducive to thoughtfulness, as in like really sitting and thinking about things, because you're right, questioning things doesn't seem encouraged despite appearing like it does. And if one does question aspects of it, they do indeed seem to end up in places like this 😉

That's definitely happened online, thanks to the no-good, dirty radfems who have brainwashed me 🙄 I kind of just laugh it off, it gets annoying otherwise. Although it's exasperating sometimes since it doesn't take much to be accused of being transphobic and totally shut out, which is actually the kind of thing that helped peak me. And to be fair, because I do question everything I do ask myself if I am being transphobic--I suppose I am, or appear so, since I criticize and have some very strong negative feelings about transgenderism and gender ideology. Not towards the people themselves, or at least the people who aren't hurting others. It hasn't really happened since I quit being so active on Reddit and don't post in any trans subs really.

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sure you have peaked some people through your YouTube channel! I wish I was brave enough to have one. But I like my privacy too much.

To peak QT-leaning people, I'm not sure what that takes--perhaps something more drastic?

I think they need to be shown that there are concrete harms.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aww well that's very kind and optimistic of you, thanks! That would be nice. And I really can't blame you for wanting to maintain your privacy, I'd feel the same if everything hadn't sort of taken a life of its own lol

That is absolutely what makes me so worried, Worried... what kind of undeniable harm will it take? If amputations, irreversible surgical procedures that are regretted; exogenous cross-sex hormones that cause developmental abnormalities and health problems; biological males in women's shelters, prisons, restrooms, spas, sports, etc.; medical and even social transition of kids that will affect them the rest of their lives aren't enough to make people stop and think about all of this and more, it's scary to think what would.

[–]questioningtw 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I peaked one of my close friends. I didn't really mean too, we were talking about Ellen Page and she thought it was ridiculous that everyone was acting like she was a guy all of a sudden, when before she was very outspoken about being a lesbian and a feminist. This person is not any kind of feminist really, nor is she super conservative: but she too thought it was stupid that Elllen Page went from being a woman to a man and overnight everyone just agreed.