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[–]critical_of_WR 52 insightful - 2 fun52 insightful - 1 fun53 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I think a lot of TIMs and TIFs are themselves on the spectrum. Many of them also have other comorbidities that may result in them feeling as if they are in the wrong body. I think the reason why they chant so loud that TIMs are women, and TIFs are men is because if the society stops to examine this correlation between autism and transgender people, we will discover plastic surgeons took advantage of a population that is not completely working with a full deck of cards.

This will result in a great deal of loss of revenue in the medical field, and a lot of TIMs or TIFs may spiral deep into depression when they realized they ruined their lives over a cognitive distortion that could have been managed with a less invasive treatment plan.

[–]RoundFrog[S] 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This is very true. The increasing amount of detransitioners will hopefully not be drowned out. And trans ideology is a lot like Scientology where they teach you are born with something wrong with your body which can only be fixed by paying for extensive programmes.

[–]Pixie_Waifu 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And if you leave the "program," everyone in your community shuns you. They silence you.

Eerily similar.

[–]PainfulTruthsMatter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. Detransitioners are shunned because they threaten the stability and legitimacy of the trans movement, and its ability to maintain its power. It's very much like a religious cult in how it operates.

[–]PainfulTruthsMatter 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think a lot of TIMs and TIFs are themselves on the spectrum.

Probably very true. Transgenderism is essentially used as a coping mechanism, an unhealthy way people who are struggling with personal identity issues deal with their problems by fabricating a newfound (and tenuous) identity. It's no wonder that mental health issues are often diagnosed in trans identifying individuals.

One of the dirty little secrets the trans lobby don't want the public to know is that suicide rates are unaffected by whether one has transitioned, even in accepting, supporting environment in a liberal country with relatively strong trans rights activism. They want to be able to continuously spread the lie of "YOU'RE LITERALLY KILLING US", screaming it any time valid criticisms of the trans movement are voiced, all while ignoring the fact that suicides in the trans community are tied to those underlying mental health issues, which are going totally unaddressed as people now transition without basic medical oversight (or "gatekeeping" as they'd like it called).

Transgenderism is essentially an ideology that promotes the embrace of delusion as a panacea for their underlying mental health issues. Trans people are their own worst enemies, health-wise.

[–]Badmammajamma 45 insightful - 1 fun45 insightful - 0 fun46 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I’ve worked with ASD folks in therapy, and many of them have said they take things at face value, they don’t see the hidden motives behind what people are trying to do. They can’t imagine why someone would appear helpful yet harbor a secret agenda to actually be harmful. I don’t know if that’s true for you, but for the folks I’ve known it has caused them to get into terrible relationship and other social situations.

[–]blahblahgcer 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As an autistic person, thsi is so true. I'm the most gullible person on the planet.

[–]RestingWitchface 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a problem for me too. I have been in abusive relationships and friendships because I didn't see the warning signs. Then I stay in those relationships because I don't know how to get out of them. Before I was diagnosed, I had a minor existential crisis because I felt really isolated and didn't know who I could trust. It was really difficult for me to make friends because people keep saying things they don't mean and I can't tell the difference (e.g. "Let's go for coffee sometime!" But then avoid making an actual date...). I couldn't understand why I was being treated that way and I saw it as really dishonest and flaky.

As a teen, I think I would have been very vulnerable to this ideology, had it been popular in my day. I didn't fit in socially and was bullied for a time. I was not interested in stereotypically feminine things. My friends at school were all quirky, nerdy, tomboy types (a few have since come out as lesbians, though I am straight). Even now, I find it very difficult to befriend women. All my closest friends are male. It's not that I don't want to be friends with women, but they don't want to be friends with me. Men feel so much more straightforward to interact with, and they don't read into every little thing that I say (usually I say exactly what I mean and mean what I say, but NTs always manage to find hidden subtext that isn't there).

[–]RoundFrog[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is definitely true for me! I’ve been in an emotionally abusive relationship before so now I know more about how to spot manipulators. But it’s still difficult. And I see so many manipulation tactics by TRAs like gaslighting. Eg they will say “no one said lesbians have to sleep with trans women” but they do say it all the time.

[–]PainfulTruthsMatter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's so very true. I don't think a lot of people realize that the transgender movement basically has no reason to stop lying to its adherents because the more all of them can enforce their new normal, the more all of them get to live safely inside their bubble where nothing challenges their newfound, special identities. Even small concessions, such as accepting that a man who identifies as trans and thinks they are a "lesbian" is really still just a heterosexual male and thus won't be eligible for the affections of true lesbians, would threaten their status quo and therefore must be eliminated on sight. That's why they've invested time and effort in spreading homophobia in their "genital preferences/fetish" rhetoric.

[–]cybitch 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I feel like it's easier to sell the idea of a "male brain" to women who have autism, because people with autism are uncomfortable with ambiguity. When you try to fit in with a group of average women and fail, it's easier to think "oh I guess I just need to play this opposite role instead", compared to accepting that there is no set of rules that will feel comfortable for them. I'm sure it's at least partially wishful thinking. It's hard to accept social interaction is simply never going to be as instinctive to you as it is to a "normal" human being, no matter what stereotype you try to force yourself into. Because it's not their identity that is the problem, it's a problem with picking up on social cues and forming relationships in general. Changing what clothes you wear or what your pronouns are is not going to change that. Just because you aren't a neurotypical woman doesn't make you a neurotypical male. Both neurotypical women and men have social skills.

[–]RoundFrog[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is an excellent point. The trans idea of transition being a fix-all for everything is appealing to autistic people. It’s actually close to suggesting a “cure” for an autistic person (which most autistic people are offended by). Especially since transitioning would in no way help an autistic person.

[–]RestingWitchface 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I was late-diagnosed with autism, and was in and out of mental health services my whole life. In hindsight, none of the treatments worked on me because the mental health issues were only a secondary symptom of my undiagnosed autism. No one ever looked at the whole picture, so I was completely missed. They never asked why I'm depressed, they just put me on meds when CBT was unsuccessful. Of course the meds didn't work either, and only caused more damage. These could be seen as inadvertent attempts to cure my autism. I wonder how many people/kids showing up at gender clinics also have undiagnosed autism. This is particularly an issue with women and girls because we present differently to the typical male presentation, so professionals don't know what to look for.

[–]RoundFrog[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have the same experience. And it’s bad because it’s way easier to transition than to even get on a waiting list to see a diagnostic team for autism. Which now I’ve thought of it is really fucked up

[–]RestingWitchface 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy shit, you are totally right! That's terrifying.

[–]blahblahgcer 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It does. The autism community is super trans based now. I think it's the black and white thinking for the most part. Like being told "you have to feel like a woman" or "women do these things". It's especially noticeable in women I think because autistic women's social skills are closer to that of a neurotypical male, which means that a lot of autistic women are masculine or fit in with guys way better.

[–]Calliope 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I definitely tend to get along with men better as an autistic woman. It was worse trying to get along with other girls as a kid. I don't think it's entirely an innate biological sex difference, I think it's mostly a socialization thing, but there is so much toxic social BS normalized in mainstream "feminine" socializing. Especially among young girls. We talk a lot about toxic masculinity, but there needs to be more talk about toxic femininity. As an autistic person, my natural way of speaking is to be very direct. This is accepted among men, but criticized and shamed in girls. This is probably the primary reason I have anxiety.

I have some female friends who are autistic too and love talking to them, and I'm unabashedly a nerd and find female friends into similarly nerdy hobbies, but it's a struggle for me to get along with most other women. I never considered the possibility of transitioning, I just eventually became comfortable with and proud of my own form of femininity. If I'd been indoctrinated with trans idealogy young it's possible I might have wondered, though I've always wanted children so giving up the ability to get pregnant isn't something I would consider lightly. That's onto another topic but it annoys me how outspoken people advocating a childfree lifestyle are, especially people implying it's somehow not feminist to want children. It's a choice every woman should feel empowered to make for herself and it's not a possibility that should be thrown away without careful thought. "So you're saying women should just have babies?!?" Uh no, sucks how little some people understand nuance these days.

[–]RestingWitchface 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"So you're saying women should just have babies?!?"

I explained to my autistic female friend (I'm also autistic) that I think womanhood is defined by biology, not by stereotypes and this was her response. My own way of thinking is not black and white at all and it's one autism trait that has never fit me. When I analyse something, I see all the shades of grey and can understand where different perspectives are coming from. Maybe it's because of my ability to hyperfocus on things that interest me – I'm not satisfied until I have considered something from every angle.

[–]PainfulTruthsMatter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are absolutely right that the essential definition of womanhood, or manhood, is simply a matter of biology. It's whether or not an individual human is a member of the sex that has the capacity/has the chromosomes to (under normal circumstances) produce sperm, or eggs. That's really all it is; we don't need any of the negative gender stereotypes for behavior or gender expectations to define one's sex.

[–]RoundFrog[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. I find autistic people are really trusting. I can relate to feeling like “one of the boys” but not ever fully accepted by them as a girl, and that can easily be taken advantage of.

[–]Literallyawoman 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it’s very telling that younger people are being socially conditioned to glorify and broadcast their mental illness along the same taglines they glorify and broadcast their gender identity on social platforms. Now if you suffer from low self esteem you can wear a big red target on you showcasing your insecurities and illnesses so all the narcissists can find you easily. If this had been a thing in my formative years-coming from an abusive background where I was hit but also forced to wear men’s clothes to dampen my own sexuality to appease a jealous and deeply mentally ill mother, I bet I’d think I was trans too to escape and feel special about my pain, and have lots of toxic little friends to validate me while I covered up my mental health and depression being a neurodivergent transman.

[–]Lyssa 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This. I don't get why fragility is so encouraged today and even cultivated. As a collective, humans are the most dangerious species on the planet and we don't treat each others too kindly either. WHY has a whole generation bought into the idea that you should broadcast your vulnerabilites to the world and carefully nourish them instead of trying to become stronger and more independent?

It's a way of lifte that's bound to lead to many very rhough awakenings.

There is a time and place for revealing vulnerable information about yourself. And your twitter bio ain't it.

[–]RestingWitchface 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is so true! Increasingly, it seems that young people are placing the burden of their mental health on others, rather than take responsibility for it themselves.

The strongest people I know are the ones who have been to hell and back. Falling apart at being called the wrong pronoun suggests a lack of life experience, which is to be expected in young people. But we are not helping those young people become resilient by pandering to their every wish.

[–]Delia 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My son has ASD he needs a lot of guidance in life and anyone who said they had his medical consent to transition would be lying. He does not understand complicated life issues. I realise there are different abilities with ASD. In his case it is very challenging. He likes male things, but he does have a sensory thing about perfume, I guess the trans fanatics would grab onto that if they ever meet him, which while I am alive they never will.

[–]RoundFrog[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, when I was a teenager I supported trans stuff because I trusted the internet to know what’s right and wrong (which is really bad come to think of it) and I didn’t understand complicated life issues at all. I can be very naive and trusting so for a long time I never questioned trans stuff.

[–]MezozoicGay 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I see is that they are taking advantage of all vulnereable groups of people, especially ones who are trusting others way too much - like minors or autistic people.

[–]Yellowlamp 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for pointing that out. I realised some time ago that 99% of trans people I know are autistic or on the spectrum, and I was going crazy thinking "has no one else noticed this?". Because of the sport I play attracts a lot of feminists and alternative people, I happen to know a lot of trans people IRL: 5 out of 5 TIM are autistic and 1 out of 2 TIF I know are autistic. I always thought it was a BIG coincidence but my TRA views at the time (I peaked recently, after JKR tweets) prevented me to think any further because that was probably a transphobic thing to do. Well, here I am now convinced that there's a relationship between autism and identifying as trans.

[–]RoundFrog[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s sad because I see the appeal. Not of being trans, but of being part of a group and having a label that makes you a part of society. Because ngl it’s harder to function in society (like having a job) as an autistic person and for all disabled people in general. I feel like places in general cater more to the people with the loud voices like trans people than disabled people (especially wheelchair users for example). So I can see the appeal of being part of a group that is being catered to and listened to instead of standing up for yourself and having your voice drowned out.

[–]Tovasshi 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Schizotypal personality traits shares a lot of features with ASD and can be comorbid. But they typically have physical disconnect with their bodied self. Their brain doesn't compute what their body does to itself as itself. It views its own body as alien. They also have issues with reality vs fantasy.

People with Schizotypal personality score higher on ASD than neuroatypical and often get diagnosed with it or self-DX as ASD.

Many self-diagnosed autistist look more like schizotypal than autists to me. They're very aggressive in their beliefs and can't be reasoned with. Whenever the gender discussion comes up with just diagnosed autists, it's calm and mature. But once the communities opened up to self-DXers the conversation became hostile and the number of trans and NB increased.

[–]RoundFrog[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I hadn’t thought of overlapping and similar disorders. I don’t know much about people who self-diagnose as autistic, I can see both sides of this. If you can afford/can easily access a diagnostic team then it would be wrong self-diagnose I think. However, in the uk where I am if you go through the nhs you can wait years to even see a specialist, and GPs tend to have outdated or lacking knowledge about it.

[–]Tovasshi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The solution is to put more into mental health.

I can't take any self-dxer seriously. I can have sympathy if they said they suspect they're autistic or know something is up. But they're not an expert and there are a lot of overlapping conditions that many most people don't know about. They just stick to ASD because it's been romanticized recently. If you try to recommend to these self-DXers they might have one of these other conditions, even comorbid with ASD, they get super offended. They're not looking for answers, they're looking for an identity. They have this list in their mind of what is acceptable and unacceptable conditions for them to have as part of their identity.

[–]Lyssa 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Well, I am self dox. Im nearly 40, female and have working class parents - how do you think I should have gotten a diagnosis as a gender non-conforming, awkward bullied kid in the early 80s? And why should I get one now as a gender non-conforming weird sucessful woman in no need of therapy and counseling because I have figured out life the hard way and by myself? I would be obligated to put it down when e.g. applying for a new insurance. So I would have only disadvantages and no benefits. If somebody does not take me seriously as an autistic women on the internet - I can live with that.

[–]Tovasshi 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You can say you suspect you're autistic. But you can't self-dx.

If people self diagnosed any other condition they'd be rightfully shamed for being ableist and co-opting the disorder. But somehow we're all knowledgeable, insightful enough to be able to diagnose ourselves with this one specific disorder? Yea no.

Allowing self-diagnosis of gender dysphoria is how we got into this whole fucking trans disaster in the first place... and now we want to view self-DXing of ASD as valid too? Fuck no.

Lack of resources isn't a excuse to claim you have something with validity.

[–]Lyssa 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I can say about myself whatever I wan't. And you're free to contradict me. Don't worry, I won't claim that you are "literally killing me" or something equally pathetic.

And yes, everybody can tell if he or she is dysphoric or not. What other standard should there be for "my body is bothering me very much and I am depressed/anxious because of it"? Do you want to diagnose dysphoria by x-ray or laproscopy? How dysphoria originates and how it should be treated, specifically if transition should be the standard protocol or very last ressort, that's up for debate. The experience of dysphoria is not.

Btw: Self-dox is important/legitimate for quite a few conditions, disorders and illnesses. I happen to have gotten an early diagnosis for endometriosis because a surgeon found it "passing by" before I even had symptoms. I would not have been less of an endo patient if I would have been made to suffer through the usual 7 years of waiting time for a proper diagnosis before receiving the all important slip of paper. Many endo patient dox themselves months and years before their official diagnosis.

No, I would not recommend self dox for brain tumors. But to say that there are only self doxed autistics and nobody would do that with anything else is quite simply incorrect.

[–]Tovasshi 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Or is it just a "feeling" that you just "know" deep down that you're autistic.

You resort to self-ID because resources and "doctors don't know anything" and "bias".

This is just the same TRA rhetoric repackaged for neurological disorders.

[–]Lyssa 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You resort to self-ID because resources and "doctors don't know anything" and "bias".

You lack basic reading comprehension.

[–]Tovasshi 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

How do you kow you're austic and not just schizoiphrenia, schizotypal personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder, avoudant personality disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, have ADHD, bipolar, lead poisoning, sensory processing disorder, PTSD, etc?

What expertise do you have that makes you think it's autism and none of the other conditions? Because it's "cuter"? Less "stigma"?

ASD isn't an identity you can just slap on yourself.

And no, traditionally gender dysphoria wasn't a self diagnosis, it never was. Patients would go in with diatress, the psych would explore that with them and then diagnose them with gender dysphoria or some other condition. Humans are terrible at self-diagnosis. They can't even self-diagnose with anorexia.

[–]Lyssa 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

"Because it's "cuter"?"

Pretty much. I just woke up one day and told myself: Hey, those flashbacks, auditory halluzinations and stuff really sucks. Autism sounds cool though...

And "less stigma"? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not getting diagnosed precisely to avoid negative consequences especially regarding my insurability. I am the main earner of our family. I will certainly not slap a disability sticker on my head to appear "cute" or to have somebody I've never met and never will meet consider me a proper autistic.

Joking aside, I just assume that you were at least partly really asking a question and answer in earnest:

  • I am not schizoid anything since I never suffered from wild mood swings or halluzinations. If anything I am rather stoic and uber-sober. I get on peoples nerves with that. I frequently overloaded as a child. This happens about once a year now. Schizophrenia and anything related flares up and worsens in young adults. So that's a nope then.
  • I am not avoidant. I very rarely leave overwhelming situations with a fake excuse. For the most part I though it out in the short term and try to construct my life in a way that needs less thoughing out in the long term (e.g. home office and online networking instead of daily office and participation in conferences).
  • ADHD: never had trouble adhering to deadlines or focusing. I was labeled a "dreamer" in elementary school and watched birds for hours instead of doing what I was supposed to do. Grew out of that for the most part.

ASD characteristics I do have: special interests; inability to smalltalk; sensory difficulties with things most people like and reactions to them that are beyond my control (gaging on most things fruity, most severly on artificial berry/cherry aromas); short list of things I would eat as a child, was severly undernourished and underweight as a result; difficulties to make friends, only friends with boys as a kid, girls would not tolerate my emotional spectrum or disinterest in all things girly; extreme difficulty of telling when it's my turn to speak on the phone - continuing to this day, big problem in professional context for me; extreme difficulty in telling on which side I should pass somebody on the street, I end up in a comical "step right, step left, step right"-dance frequently, if possible, i just walk slightly behind somebody I'm with and let them figure it out; difficulty to tell when or even consider the possibility that somebody is lying, got better on that with advancing age but it's a completely learned conscious response, it still just baffels me how much people lie and that there are habitual liars, historically I had no defenses against that; inability to tell if somebody is just being polite or really wants to talk/meet soon; people who have knowledge about and experience with the higher functioning end of the spectrum "suspect" me pretty quickly and have told me as much; other people I meet in real life have no clue and I'd like to keep it that way. No interest in woke cookie points or being "cute".

I feel better with myself since my life experience makes more sense against the background of being autistic. I don't need therapy (or at least not anymore) and I don't need strangers on the internet to tell me "You are loved and you are VALID!". You are welcome to consider me schizophrenic or attention seeking or whatever you prefer.

[–]Tovasshi 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Your answers just show me you have no idea what those other conditions are or how they're diagnosed.

You just settled on ASD.

No, you're not valid. Stop speaking "as an autistic woman" because until you're diagnosed, you're just being narcissistic playing identity games.

Edit: and by the way, delusional people don't know they're delusional.

[–]Lyssa 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

you're just being narcissistic playing identity games.

Oh, suddenly you can diagnose NPD accross the internet? Funny how that works. :D

Have a good night.

[–]Marsupial 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There does seem to be a pattern between autism and identifying as a trans male.

[–]rolypoly 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm autistic, and every trans person I've met was also autistic including my own sibling. I'm a lesbian and gc, and it's interesting to see so many of my people mixed up in this kind of stuff.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're not only ableist, but autismphobic by taking advantage over autistic people. As an autistic lesbian, I was explaining the same thing to people yesterday. They also take advantage of downs people, which is also ableist, and downsphobic.

[–]Tikiri 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m very worried about this because I have an ASD child, and am pretty certain I’m on the spectrum too, although when I was growing up there was so little information about autism and its different manifestations in both sexes. I’m terrified that my sensitive, vulnerable little boy will get drawn in by the trans cult, especially if he ends up discovering that he’s gay when he gets older. I don’t know what will happen, of course, but I don’t know what can even be done about this issue.

[–]LoganBlade 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

hmm yes this floor here is made of floor

[–]Wrencer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They totally do

[–]Anonimouse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More broadly anything to do with ableism in identity politics would be interesting as well.

I went to a uni student run disabilities conference. Being uni, rife with ID pol. Most of the time was spent fielding "anonymous" grievances because someone said something alphabet soup. One was someone getting seriously pissed when a younger woman with CP said she was tired of being viewed as asexual and wanted to be viewed as a sexual woman despite her disability. Complaint stated that the person needed "educating" about LGBT issues, as asexual people can be completely sexual. It ended with half of us leaving to run our own sessions because disability advocacy totally needs peer support to learn how to do this shit. There isn't as much of a "guide book" on this. If you were running the womens collective, there's almost a text book saying what events you should be doing, and the splits just come between rad v lib.