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[–]Maly_Querent 47 insightful - 1 fun47 insightful - 0 fun48 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So i did some digging and i found this website that provides a link to a pdf to the legal document: https://witnessla.com/new-lawsuit-tells-of-16-yr-old-boy-allegedly-forced-by-probation-officials-to-take-estrogen-as-medication-to-control-his-behavior/

I'm disgusted, scared, and betrayed. Los Angeles is a big pusher for trans ideology. The fact that there are experiments being done on teen boys in LA county is like so disgusting. It's like, let's experiment on the black and brown boys for the benefit of bourgeoisie and homophobic white people who have the money to transtrend their kids.

This is - D I S G U S T I N G -

[–]malleus_maleficarum 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for sharing this link. This is the lobotomy scandal of our generation.

[–]Maly_Querent 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, 100% agree. I can't wait for this to become public scandal and entice mob outrage.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Ouchi and his firm haven’t done discovery yet, he said. So they are just at the beginning stages in probing the case more deeply. Yet, he believes there’s lots more to be uncovered, noting the curious fact that the doctors seemed to have had the drug handy when Javier was first examined when, obviously, Estrodial is not a normal drug to just keep on hand, such as Tylenol or a broad-spectrum antibiotic.

Ouchi is interested, he said, to find out if there are other teenage boys in probation’s system who were given estrogen in this potentially purely experimental manner, which he described as “potentially criminal.”

UCLA’s Dr. Jorja Leap, who was part of the planning for the POC, and one of the co-authors of the deeply researched LA County Probation Governance Report, was very disturbed by the implications of the new lawsuit."

[–]PassionateIntensity 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is insane, illegal, and a human rights abuse. Holy shit.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

USA. 'The land of the free'. Freaking LOL.

[–][deleted] 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A 16-year-old boy being held at a Los Angeles County juvenile hall developed enlarged breasts after he was prescribed estrogen to treat a behavioral disorder, a move that baffled doctors who said the treatment defied medical logic, according to a lawsuit filed last month.

The teen, whose identity is being withheld because of his age, was diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder, or ODD, two days after he was arrested and housed at Eastlake Juvenile Hall in June 2019, the lawsuit said. Medical records reviewed by The Times show that the teen’s testosterone levels were “slightly high” when the doctor who diagnosed him prescribed daily doses of estrogen.

Estrogen regulates the development of female sexual characteristics and reproduction. Men produce the hormone at much lower levels.

After taking approximately 13 daily doses of the hormone, the teen was diagnosed with gynecomastia, defined as the enlargement or swelling of breast tissue in males whose estrogen level is too high, medical records show.

ODD, a behavioral condition that is sometimes suffered by patients with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, is normally treated with therapy, said James McGough, a professor of clinical psychiatry at UCLA.

“Estrogen is not a treatment for ODD. I can’t be more emphatic about that,” McGough said. “You won’t find a reference anywhere that supports the use of estrogen for ODD.”

The lawsuit described the treatment as “experimental.” The doctor who prescribed the estrogen, Danny Wang, could not be reached for comment.

Los Angeles County’s juvenile detention facilities are overseen by the Probation Department. Medical needs are provided by Juvenile Court Health Services, which falls under the county Department of Health Services. In an e-mail, a Department of Health Services representative confirmed that Wang has been employed by the county since 2012 but declined to comment on his current status with the agency, describing it as a “confidential personnel matter.” The department declined to comment on the lawsuit.

The suit — which names as defendants the county, Wang and David Oh, medical director of Juvenile Court Health Services — alleges medical battery and negligence.

Probation officials and the teen’s attorney, Wesley Ouchi, declined to say why he was in custody. Ouchi said the boy, now 17, was released in April and will require surgery to treat the physical issues he developed as a result of the estrogen treatment.

Wang prescribed a daily regimen of 2 milligrams of estrogen to be taken in pill form, according to medical records. The boy’s parents were not aware that he had been diagnosed with ODD or was undergoing treatment until late July 2019. Doctors said the treatments should not have been carried out without the parents’ consent.

The boy’s father, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect his son’s identity, said he found out about the estrogen pills when he visited the juvenile hall one weekend last July.

“When I found out they were giving him the pill, I was like, why didn’t they ask me? When I found out what kind of pill was it, I was like, this is terrible,” the father said. “He’s only 16, and they were forcing him to take it.”

The father said he later confronted Oh, the medical director, over the phone. Oh admitted that Wang had made “a mistake,” the father said. The health services representative declined to comment on Oh’s alleged remark due to the ongoing litigation.

The treatments stopped last July, after the teen began to complain of negative side effects and refused medication, records show. Prior to that, Ouchi said, his client felt compelled to take the pills because he feared that disobeying Wang would have a detrimental effect on his pending criminal case.

Reports from probation officers about a youth’s time in custody can carry significant weight at sentencing hearings, and the teen’s case had not been adjudicated at the time Wang prescribed him the estrogen, Ouchi said.

Ouchi also alleges the boy was bullied by other youths in custody once his gynecomastia symptoms developed.

“As a teenager, he felt self-conscious already,” Ouchi said. “Going through these changes made it a lot more traumatic for him.”

Sara Coffey, director of child and adolescent psychiatry at Oklahoma State University, said ODD is normally diagnosed in children between the ages of 6 and 12. Children diagnosed with the disorder often struggle with authority, in school or in social settings. Common treatments include family therapy or medications that have had success in aiding juveniles with ADHD, including Ritalin and Adderall.

Using hormones to treat ODD might actually worsen the situation, Coffey said.

“The other concern I have, as a psychiatrist, is that we know hormones play a role in mood,” she said. “If his mood got disrupted, that could only further complicate things.”

Estrogen is normally stocked at L.A. County juvenile facilities for use as part of hormone therapy for contraception and treatment of gender dysphoria, according to the health services representative.

The boy’s father said the hormone therapy has had a long-term effect on his son, who now scares easily and has become antisocial.

“He’s like a different person. He just wants to be in his room, and he don’t come out for nothing, all day in his room,” the father said. “He was never like that.”

[–]MarkTwainiac 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Breast development so significant that he'll need corrective surgery after 13 doses. Wow; just goes to show the power of hormones.

Also, the physician who prescribed the estradiol is named Wang.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Birth control? Estrogen alone is not a contraceptive. They are experimenting on captive children. I'm out of words.

[–]DifferentAirGC 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

If this doctor just looked at how TIMs behave, he would know it doesn't work.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's so messed up. That poor boy was experimented on because, presumably, some sexist doctor looked at his behavior and said "Hmm. You're way too defiant and aggressive. Let's make you more docile and accommodating. Y'know, like a woman. Give him the woman hormones." Smh.

[–]RestingWitchface 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah wtf... it's like people actually think that oestrogen is some kind of "woman essence", while testosterone is "man essence". Um, no. These hormones are present in both sexes at varying levels and play a biological function.

[–]Realwoman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Testosterone does make a people (and animals) more aggressive but interestingly, once you stop being exposed to it, the aggression remains

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

If he was sexually assaulting people then they give hormones to stop the urge, apparently, I can’t see the article so I have no idea if that is what this is about

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It was given for Oppositional Defiant Disorder.

This is anecdotal, but both boys I know who have been diagnosed have mentally ill (I am too, not judging, but they both have this in common) mothers who are overly dominating and don't allow the boys any choice in their lives. Bessel van derk Kolk in The Body Keeps the Score is very skeptical of this new diagnosis, as well.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

So it’s “sick of your shit, you’re not even the boss of me!” disorder

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In the cases I know, yeah, it seems that way. I'm not surprised - there had to be a consequence/pushback of the helicopter parent/overly scheduled/afraid to be outside childhood.

[–]LoganBlade 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

with a probation officer like that, I think we would be hard-pressed to find someone who doesn't have Oppositional Defiant Disorder.

[–]medium_tomato[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think that is the case but if it was I would still argue that it is not okay to do that to a minor.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Definitely not okay. It just came to mind because I think they use hormones or hormonally active stuff for sex offenders sometimes. It seems like a really wild thing to give a child

[–]materialrealityplz 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The article that has now been posted certainly doesn't mention that, but it does make you wonder if there is anything else to the story. Because prescribing estrogen seems absolutely wild given what we're told in the article.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They left out a lot of info. I hate when they do that

[–]Nona_Biba 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I was wondering this too. We give Depo Provera to pedophiles. And to men who have wildly inappropriate sexual behaviors (like constantly masturbating in front of others or on communal/ shared objects.) The article SAYS it was given for ODD but it also sounds like they got all the info from the boys lawyer. Who is biased to be frank and who knows if he has all the relevant information.

[–]Tovasshi 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They've moved away from using Depo and now use Lupron (same drug as puberty blockers) for chemical castration.

They also have to give consent to be treated. Chemical castration isn't forced on prisoners. It's offered to them in exchange for a shorter sentence.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YES! that’s what I mean. I remembered hearing pedos were getting some hormone stuff and men with really extreme sexual violence or odd stuff. Glad I wasn’t mis-remembering it. I figure the boy was doing some really creepy sexual stuff if they just didn’t give typical stuff like tranqs

[–]vitunrotta 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, there's probably more to the story - however, taking into consideration the fact that the kid was underage, this kind of "treatment" is still wildly inappropriate. Someone said consent is required for chemical castration but how can you gain proper consent from a teenager...? Whatever the case is, it looks like they are using teens as guinea pigs. I mean, pharmaceutical companies are anything but stupid and most likely understand that the best way to make this kind of testing seem legal and appropriate is to target people in weaker positions (and also, of course, making "transgender" a goddamn trend).

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When they do that, they use progesterone analogues like Depo Provera, not estrogen. And it probably still doesn't work.

[–]luckystar 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Could do without the comments making fun of the surname "Wang". It's a very common Chinese name.

[–]Stand 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"Danny Wang" should be investigated, because he probably likes kids / has some weird fetish for this.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is so horrifying. It feels like the entire world has gone nuts.

[–]Maly_Querent 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Can someone paste the text? There's a pay wall

[–]au_dela 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The teen, whose identity is being withheld because of his age, was diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder, or ODD, two days after he was arrested and housed at Eastlake Juvenile Hall in June 2019, the lawsuit said. [...] Prior to that, Ouchi said, his client felt compelled to take the pills because he feared that disobeying Wang would have a detrimental effect on his pending criminal case.

I have long been skeptical about the existence of oppositional defiant disorder. It seems to pathologize and be used as a weapon against those resisting an unjust situation or society.

[–]LoganBlade 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what the fuck

[–]yishengqingwa666 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

WOW, is it lawsuit time.

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I hope the doctor loses his medical license for that. This is human experimentation on unwilling subjects. State-sponsored too.