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[–][deleted] 45 insightful - 1 fun45 insightful - 0 fun46 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm sorry to say that there is nothing you can do -- anyone can do -- with TRAs to "get it right." Not a damned thing.

And they seem to have an especially vile hatred of Latinas and Black and Asian women, their bodies specifically. The shit they say is jaw-droppingly horrible. And yes, if you can pass for white, that will be held against you as well.

TRA is a psycho-social swill of mental illness, narcissistic rage, misogyny, and outright racism. The farther away from them you can manage to stay (not easy, I know), the better.

[–]lefterfield 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So very true. What it seems like to me is that TRAs are some of the racist people around and if you don't agree with them 100% they will use your race as a weapon: Articles about black women needing to make black men date transwomen and/or not kill them. Appropriation of indigenous cultures to justify their anti-science rhetoric. If you're white, you're engaging in white feminism. There's no way to win other than to kiss their ass 24/7... even then, you're probably not doing it with enough enthusiasm.

[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I get how you feel. I'm from Brazil, so latina, mixed black/white, though my experiences had nothing to do with being latina but with being mixed. While my country has a lot of people like me, racism is still pretty much alive and well. Black features are undesirable, and many people avoid calling themselves black, while white is considered exotic, the fairer your skin, the prettier. I'm not white passing myself, I guess you could say my sister is, her skin is pasty white, while I look like the mix of both my parents. I felt like I was never enough, not white enough, not black enough. I had the privilege of going to private schools my entire life, and there were a lot of white kids there, my feelings of not being enough got stronger and I started too avoiding the sun to not get a tan, in hopes I could fit in. Both my sis and I straightened our hair for years too.

One of the things that annoyed me to no end about the TRAs and their handmaids was the acceptable targetting of white women and double standards. I was accused of being white many times on the internet just for disagreeing with TRAs. At first I thought that was funny, especially since race had nothing to do with the discussion and also because the people accusing me were more than often white themselves. Then I realized that was just the new "you don't get to have an opinion". A thing men told me my whole life. How my skin has anything to do with opinions? Why is what I say less important if I'm perceived as white, when the discussion has absolutely nothing to do with skin color?

C'mon, if TWAW then they would be white women, then, by their logic, they should just shut up? Interesting enough, it never happens, they keep spewing crap. How come?

[–]mangosplums 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is the funniest thing to see white TIM accuse WOC of being "white feminists". I remember when they accused Chimamanda Ngozi Adichi, a black african woman, of being a white feminist simply because she said, "trans women are trans women". Absolutely insane. I don't understand how they can get away with that shit.

[–]jkfinn 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

...but what really gets me is that there are people, mostly white SJWs, that tell me I cannot claim my own life experiences nor what is in my DNA because to them I appear white at first glance yet men can just self-ID as women and we must repeat TWAW without question.

That is a “biggest gripe,” the level of hypocrisy being unmatchable, and attributable to none other than male and white.

[–]luckystar 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

White SJWs are the absolute worst. They pretend they're up on their high horse while constantly saying racist things! They make up terms like BIPOC which no actual black people use. They appropriate the shit out of indigenous stuff in ways they don't understand ("Two spirit" was invented in the 90s and really is just a catch all term for LGBT, it is not a "third gender"). They invent terms like Latinx which no actual Latin people like to use. They say stuff like "gender binary is a Western invention" when there are plenty of cultures with a stricter gender binary than "the West".

Most of these clowns have never left their own backyard but they pretend to know something of the world. It's so frustrating -- I'll never fit in with the right and I don't agree with them on economic and social issues, but the left is also insulting to me...

[–]courage2courage 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Omg, BIPOC. I swear that just popped up everywhere overnight, as though everyone had suddenly received a memo at the exact same moment stating the latest hot new vocabulary.

[–]Jalaces 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Telling a minority you don't belong to that they can or can't identify with their own experience is so gross. People tell me this about being Jewish sometimes which I know is a very different experience, but when non-Jews tell me it "doesn't count" when neo Nazis want to kill me just because I'm "basically white" it shows me how they are so much unawares of how it is experienced for people.

[–]courage2courage 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I feel you. I have a similar mixed heritage and see the contradictions everywhere.

Nothing women say or do will ever be good enough for these morons apart from true submission. Fight back, speak up, tell your stories :)