So much to unpack here. “Woman’s body”, “femme clothes”, hips...

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[–]VioletRemi 63 insightful - 51 fun63 insightful - 50 fun64 insightful - 51 fun -  (2 children)

cheap pills

He means his mom taking contraceptives?

(Sorry I am mad today)

[–]moody_ape 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

i wish i could give you a high five hahahahah

[–]Doobeedoo661 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Pissing myself laughing!

[–]Realwoman 45 insightful - 9 fun45 insightful - 8 fun46 insightful - 9 fun -  (17 children)

Yeah, the horror of not having hips, so much worse than all the negative side effects of puberty blockers!

[–]VioletRemi 64 insightful - 9 fun64 insightful - 8 fun65 insightful - 9 fun -  (16 children)

It is not like he ever can have "female hips", because they are based on skeletal structure and not on hormones. You know, on the fact that pelvis and angle of leg bones are just different. And because bone structure is different. You know, how archeologists can with 99% accuracy say that was male or female skeleton.

[–]Realwoman 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Isn't skeletal structure partly influenced by hormones? Girls develop hips in puberty.

[–]VioletRemi 36 insightful - 4 fun36 insightful - 3 fun37 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

Only "size" of them. Curve is always there because of skeletal structure, male skeleton have bones to go more narrower (my English is so bad today, heh) and muscles to go straight down, while female skeleton have an angle and pelvis is wider, but shorter, and muscles are curving around, and not going just at straight line: https://i.imgur.com/ljINpd7.png

[–]Realwoman 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not the same but I found this:

https://asbmr.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jbmr.2755

In summary, we show that bone sexual dimorphism is already present at 6 years of age, with boys having stronger bones than girls, the relation of which is influenced by body composition and likely attributable to differential adaptation to mechanical loading.

One more nail in the coffin of the stupid idea that men and women can compete in sports.

[–]VioletRemi 39 insightful - 10 fun39 insightful - 9 fun40 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

TRA said "educate yourself".

We did. And now we have even more proofs against them :P

[–]Realwoman 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Interesting

[–]VioletRemi 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Yeah, and this is one of reasons why men are faster at running. Even having no testosteron and taking estrogen will not change basic body structure (I randomly was reminded about transwomen in sports). And it affects gait as well, so it is easy to say from behind where is man and where is woman, regardles of their looks.

[–]sisterinsomnia 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Many of you may have seen that video which shows how easy it is to tell male and female movements apart. I recall that you only see the little points of light the video attaches to all the joints of drawn male and female body shapes. When they move, all you see against everything being dark is those little twinkling lights moving, and it is enough to tell which body is supposed to be male and which female.

I don't know how to turn off that skill which appears to be required now.

[–]Realwoman 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'd love a link

[–]VioletRemi 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I only found this so far: http://people.psych.cornell.edu/~jec7/pubs/recognizing_sex.pdf

And here nice explanation too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEZrNLagwls

[–]MezozoicGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nowadays that video will be considered as transphobic!

[–]sisterinsomnia 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, I didn't save it. It went round on FB I think, but I cant get it to come up in search.

[–]MarkTwainiac 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, skeletal structure is influenced by hormones. So the differences between male and female skeletal structures become more pronounced, prominent and conspicuously evident to the eye during and after the puberty that occurs in adolescence. But the DNA-determined and hormonally influenced differences between males and females skeletally and in many other ways are established in utero and in the months after birth.

Shortly after birth, humans go through a "mini puberty" whose occurrence and effects are profound but which have been largely ignored. In the first six months of life, male newborns for several months have testosterone levels as high as they will be at the peak of adolescent puberty. Female newborn humans have elevated estrogen levels during this time, but my understanding is that they do not reach the levels of female adolescent puberty.

The several months-long testosterone surge that male infants routinely experience in the first six months of life sets in motions many physical differences between the two sexes that only become glaringly obvious during and after the second puberty that occurs in adolescence.

Girls have the basic female pelvic structure from birth. During and after adolescent puberty, female hip shape becomes more pronounced and visible, in large part because of hormonally-induced weight gain and fat distribution.

[–]Realwoman 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you've talked about the mini puberty on here before, very interesting stuff.

[–]our_team_is_winning 23 insightful - 9 fun23 insightful - 8 fun24 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

I have massive hips. I mean it's bone, not just fat on top (though I have that too!) So if I got it in my head that I'm actually a man -- you see I never wear makeup, I never wear high heels, I don't like shopping, and as a child my favorite games were playing with toy cars in the driveway and playing superheroes, so CLEARLY I am male! Duh! -- could I find a doctor to shave off my bones? Is that a pressing medical emergency that doctors have learned to treat? Maybe they could experiment on thousands of animals to learn to shave hip bones down because right now nobody would see my body as male, which I clearly am given how I don't even like the color pink (! is that enough proof for you or what!) -- If only my parents had put me on hormone blockers by age 10 tops (because my period started at 11, like they would have known that was going to happen) -- then somehow I'd be a man now. Somehow. Not just a woman with tons of medical problems. I'd be the man I actually am. The gay man -- because you know, you score more points for being trans AND gay (and that's totally not straight!) /sarc

[–]buttbuttinator 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The gay man -- because you know, you score more points for being trans AND gay (and that's totally not straight!)

That's the funny thing. To transactivists TiMs are simultaneously oppressed for being women and for not being seen as women. To many of these same transactivists TiFs are simultaneously privileged for being men and for being women. It's strange, almost as if a lot of the trans community is dominated by misogynistic men who hate women, even when those women claim to be men.

[–]crodish 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's honestly really sad how deluded they are, and equally terrifying much strong the message of "transitioning before puberty is the only way to pass at all" these people are being brain washed with. Not that they would need to transition or pass AT ALL to begin with if they were just taught to love and accept their own bodies.

This is the super fucked up version of women who desperately want boob jobs because their boyfriends said it would make them more attractive

[–]Ossidiana 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

"Feminine presentation", "femme clothes"..... why do these creeps always speak in a way that makes me imagine them sweating and breathing heavily as they harass a random lady on a phone call? "So.... are you wearing femme clothes? pant pant"

[–]PassionateIntensity 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Complete wishful thinking.

[–]Comatoast 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

So much to unpack.. except for a penis

[–]TwinTeaLeaf 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh that's so sad, do you want to take my hips? They're wide and they don't hold me up well most days. I need a cane to walk even though I'm very young. They cause me severe pain daily and I'm still don't complain about it half as much as TRAs do about their self-induced sorry state.

I learned a long time ago that you have to accept the hand you're dealt, even if it's shitty joints, because otherwise all you'll have is envy and depression. Stop blaming adults who didn't let you screw up your body for your mental issues. Whether you've got a body that works or not, a body you're happy with or not, it's something that needs to be accepted and lived with. If you choose to dwell on the things you don't like, you are fully responsible for your own misery.

[–]meranii 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, I've rarely seen women complain that much and that publicly about their bodies' perceived "imperfections", we don't think a pill will magically turn us into supermodels with perfect proportions, why do they think they deserve it with the snap of a finger?

Also, regarding that ugly guy who says he hasn't worn pants since his transition, that is super fucking weird. 99.9% of actual women wear pants at least now and then, it's like he's living out his fantasy of being a woman from the 19th century that only wears skirts because pants are for men only. Dude is probably really fucked in the head.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've heard puberty blockers are associated with brittle bones. Doesn't surprise me as stress fractures are common among women with anorexia-- doesn't starvation inhibit normal hormone processes?