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[–]Killer_Danish 40 insightful - 3 fun40 insightful - 2 fun41 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Sent them this:

TERF is not "a deliberately technically neutral description" as you claim. It is a slur used to shut up women who are critical of the trans-dogma: medicalizing young children, allowing intact males to compete in women's sports, allowing males to compete for women-only scholarships, etc...

"Woman" is a biological reality. Sex cannot be changed, because it defines us down to our very chromosomes (XX).

By the way, feminists critical of gender ideology don't exclude transmen. Your definition is not only a slur — it's wrong.

[–]PlayCardsNotPeople 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Have they already changed it?
Now it says:

TERF noun Disparaging
trans-exclusionary radical feminist: an advocate of radical feminism who believes that a trans woman’s gender identity is not legitimate and who is hostile to the inclusion of trans people and gender-diverse people in the feminist movement.

Or where did you see that "a deliberately technically neutral description"?

[–]Killer_Danish 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's a footnote towards the bottom. It fully reads:

ORIGIN OF TERF Coined in 2008 by Viv Smythe, Australian feminist, writer, and blogger, as “a deliberately technically neutral description”

[–]Yayme 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Every other slur on there notes that it's "contemptuous."

[–]11mile_house 29 insightful - 12 fun29 insightful - 11 fun30 insightful - 12 fun -  (2 children)

..but their definition for "woman" is "adult human female". Awkward.

[–]FediNetizen 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Give it time and I'm sure that they'll update it to say the term can't be defined.

[–]tamingthemind 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

A terf is anyone who identifies as a terf, bigots!

[–]ThisReality 27 insightful - 15 fun27 insightful - 14 fun28 insightful - 15 fun -  (0 children)

Putting the "dick" back into "dictionary."

[–]yishengqingwa666[S] 28 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.dictionary.com/e/contact/

I sent them this:

'So nice to see that you are ok with enshrining misogynist slurs that are based upon lies on your site. I am sharing this widely, you should be ashamed. This is woman-hating garbage and should be removed.

Radical feminism is for women. You know, adult human females? NOT MEN IN DRESSES. Yeah. Thanks.'

[–]Nperez 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I sent them a complaint at https://www.dictionary.com/e/contact/ asking what rights are "TERF'S" opposing, the right for trans-identified men to get scholarships designated for women? The rights of trans-identified men to compete in sports, on the opposing sex team? The rights of trans-identified men to take up positions designated for women in politics? The rights for trans-identified men to change in sex-segregated spaces dedicated to the opposite sex? If these rights are granted to the trans-identified men, what rights are taken away from women? Their rights to scholarships, their rights to privacy, their rights to compete in sports on a fair level. These are rights women have fought for, and your definition is propaganda helping to give it away.

[–]razez 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

They included a call to violence against women

https://twitter.com/xxJaneDoexxxx/status/1291524378539241489?s=20

[–]FediNetizen 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"This account own limits who can view their tweets"

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When I click the link, it says it’s a “protected tweet”.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When I click the link, it says it’s a “protected tweet”.

[–]Pimpernel 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I lurked for a long while on the old GC board, but I'm being peaked more and more by the institutes bending over backwards to marginalise women for the sake of gender ideology. This support and enabling of misogyny has finally pushed me to make an account (not keen on the rest of the saidit platform so I'll probably go back to lurking), I cribbed a lot well made points from here and other gender critical feminists so I hope they get a united voice against this.

"Your definition of the term 'TERF' enshrines misogyny and propaganda that allows the rampant silencing women who are critical of medicalising young children and the erosion of sex based rights.

The use of 'TERF' to justify threats of violence towards lesbians, radical feminists, and anyone critical of the ideology is very real and documented. Hostility and abuse to these groups is taking place outside of online spaces and escalating to actual harm in real life.

Your own definition for "woman" is "adult human female", so what makes a proponent of this truth a 'TERF'? Acknowledging the existence of female biology is now considered transphobic, with documentation increasingly erasing the word woman, and scientific reality, to validate a minority of the population.

The consequences of this acquiescence is already being felt by women in all areas of their day to day lives, from their health care to the very laws that are set up to protect them. https://forwomen.scot/did-you-know/

"This is NOT a case of two sides as bad as each other. And it’s notable that the hate is not aimed at genuinely transphobic, aggressive men. It’s aimed at women."

I included the link to the Scottish Forwomen info page as it has an overview of the issues we've been facing in the UK, I don't know if there was a better resource I could've linked to help bolster the message? I doubt it'll change the opinions of those that have been indoctrinated by trans activists, but you never know whose eyes your message might reach!

[–]GCaccountforSaidit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you're not keen on the rest of the Saidit platform, why not pm /u/flapyourwings and get an invite to the new ovarit.com?

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And "who is hostile"? "of or belonging to a military enemy." Well, I only have experiences that are purely hostile, abusive, and physically stalking by TiMs. Is this the hostile they speak of?

[–]ThisReality 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Someone(s) at Dictionary.com are clearly pushing an agenda with this. (I know, I know: Duh.)

Compare the TERF definition and examples, including the violent "punch" usage, with definitions for these other terms that can have strong opinions surrounding them:

Dictionaries are supposed to be impartial sources of truth, not opinion pieces. Why should anyone trust that site?

[–]Killer_Danish 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TiMs/TRAs seem to be placing themselves into positions of power at a lot of organizations irl (I know, I know... I sound like a conspiracy theorist).

A microcosm of this was how they slowly moved in and took over most of the female-centered subreddits by becoming mods, like at r/TwoXChromosomes or r/actuallesbians. Now they're TiM wastelands full of transbians.

[–]purrfect 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The struck-through Venus symbol... very telling of their intentions.

[–]RevengeOfTheCis 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I saw that, too, and now it seems deleted that symbol. Now it just says "TERF" in text with a pink background.

Guess they accidentally let the truth slip and now they're trying to hide it.

[–]yishengqingwa666[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Too late.

[–]yishengqingwa666[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. It's right out in the open.

[–]Delia 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought that to, straight away.

[–]DistantGlimmer 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I sent them an angry complaint yesterday. They seem to have edited out the worst of the slander from what they had yesterday but it is still inaccurate and doesn't make it clear that it is a slur.

Totally unbelievable that a professional dictionary site would put up this crap in the first place essentially saying "beware of the witches!" and egging on violence against feminists. It's surreal how much power TRAs seem to have in the tech world.

[–]anxietyaccount8 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What the actual fuck? You guys should read this link, it has a longer definition: https://www.dictionary.com/e/gender-sexuality/terf/

[–]suzyquattrosshoes 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Advocate for harm against trans people?? Receipts please!!!

[–]SameOldBS 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saw this just now and the awful taunting tweet that accompanied it. Just when you think you can't get more shocked by what's happening.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I used to follow them on Instagram but stopped when it became obvious that they were super into the whole woke thing. They also run emojidictionary which includes “man in veil” and “person in veil”.

[–]ekitten 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I contacted them pointing out that they're not 'hostile to trans people in the feminist movement' because feminism is about the oppression of the female sex class. All female people are welcome, including transgender ones. Used the example of abortion rights not affecting trans women because they're male.

[–]yousaythosethings 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

WOW, dictionary.com tweeted "Beware the TERF." Are you fucking kidding me? https://twitter.com/Dictionarycom/status/1291483438781018112

[–]yishengqingwa666[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I blocked their site, left a bad review on their app.

[–]LeyMio 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"TERF" has the same nature as the N word. It arises from hatred and discrimination against women.

[–]thewoods 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just sent my response to the site. Very disappointed by this- this was my top dictionary site. Off to Wiktionary now, I guess....

[–]buttbuttinator 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TERF is used to describe cisgender women who self-identify as feminist but who are opposed to including transgender women

So, women who don't think men can be women "self-identify" but men who think that they can be women are "transgender women". Everything about this shit is outrageous.

[–]Immortallogic 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Complained. Thanks for the link to contact them