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[–]sisterinsomnia 39 insightful - 2 fun39 insightful - 1 fun40 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

Sort of unrelated, but vanilla is the second most expensive spice in the world! It is subtle in flavor and not at all boring if you get the real thing.

My point is, of course, that what is called vanilla sex may be the impression of people who have been dulled by exposure to porn etc to such an extent that they don't get what is going on and view it as bland.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I clutched my imaginary pearls upon seeing the price of 2 (TWO) vanilla pods. But yes - the real thing is very flavourful, although subtle. Nothing compared to the industrial vanilla!

...And yes, I am pretty certain that the constant porn bombarding has dulled people. Gail Dines' book Pornland studies this phenomenon, and it is a chilling read. It was published a decade ago, I'm sure things have gotten even worse since then.

[–]BEB 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The price of vanilla is currently so high because something happened to the vanilla crop in Madagascar.

Last night, I made chocolate chip cookies with double vanilla, and today I'm making vanilla ice cream and then I'm making homemade ice cream sandwiches!

It's so sad, looking back, that even though we still had to fight a lot of feminist battles, women my age probably lived in the Golden Age for women.

We still learned how to bake (an art!), but there was no societal pressure to force us into degrading sex and amateur porn, with our so-called boyfriends or just random men on an app. Many of us, if not most of us, got to know the men we slept with before sex, so had some idea of what they were like as humans first.

I honestly think now, that women got too powerful, so Lib "feminism," gender studies, Queer Theory, etc., were brought in under the guise of Progressivism to put women back in our place. But we're back to a worse place than our grandmothers because at least some of them were respected as women and mothers and not sex dolls.

What's happening now to young women is terrible.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Last night, I made chocolate chip cookies with double vanilla, and today I'm making vanilla ice cream and then I'm making homemade ice cream sandwiches!

You ever tried Haagen-Das Vanilla Chocolate Chip ice cream? I can't find it where I currently live, but it used to be my favorite. Perfect blend of pure natural vanilla ice cream with tiny bits of dark chocolate.

[–]BEB 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I did and loved it. UNTIL...

I was gifted a Cuisninart (sp?) ice cream maker years ago and never opened it until the pandemic. It is now my favorite kitchen appliance. It takes a few minutes to make the batter and 20 minutes in the machine for the batter to turn into ice cream. In fact, I was going to put chocolate chips into this batch.

I have already made the chocolate chip cookies so then I stick the ice cream between the cookies and freeze them for a few hours - homemade ice cream sandwiches that are unbelievable.

I wish I could send one to each of you lovely ladies!

[–]Comatoast 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

It's that shitty social conditioning that you're never good enough unless you do X. Why are there constantly such unrealistic goals forced on women, even by eachother? We have to be perfect moms, partners, housemaids, employees, all evidently while shooting golf balls out of our vag and giving a beej.

Anyhow, I contributed this post mostly to stay on topic and to also ask for the cookie recipe.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

It's the standard Nestle TOLLHOUSE recipe on the back of the package, I just don't pack the brown sugar because I don't like baked goods to be too sweet. I used dark brown sugar this time, and just slightly less than the recipe called for, also not packing the brown sugar, and the cookies are amazing.

Use unsalted butter, but if you only have salted butter, cut a little salt from the recipe, like 1/4 teaspoon. Then I double or 1 1/2 the vanilla, depending on how vanilla-y I'm feeling.

Put the batter in the fridge overnight. I also make up a couple sheets of cookies then freeze the rest of the batter in batches, so I can bake up fresh cookies when I crave them.

Total time: ten minutes if that.

TERF Chip Cookies 2 1/4 cups all purpose flour 1 teaspoon salt 1 teaspoon baking soda

Mix those in a bowl with a fork or a whisk

2 pats (1 cup) unsalted butter, softened 3/4 white granulated sugar 3/4 cup brown sugar (I put slightly less, especially if I'm using dark brown, and don't pack it) 2 large eggs 1- 2 teaspoons vanilla

2 cups chocolate chips 1 cup chopped nuts (walnuts or pecans are fabulous)

In a large bowl, cream the butter with the sugars and vanilla. Add eggs one at a time, mixing each in. Slowly add the flour/salt/baking soda mixture mixing as you go.

Remove from the stand mixer and, using a heavy spoon, mix in 2 cups chocolate chip and one cup chopped nuts.

Bake at 350 until the cookies slightly less done than you want them to.

I did make the French vanilla ice cream too, so we are having ice cream sandwiches - heaven!

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thank you! I'll share something since you gave me your recipe. Freeze-dried strawberries. Crushed up into a fine powder and added into homemade buttercream is.. incredible.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks - sounds yummy!

Was I specific enough in the instructions? I assumed you were a baker.

And also I used American measures, so I apologize if you're not American. If you aren't American, chocolate chips are the quintessential American cookie and you're in for a treat. if you can't get chips, cut up a semisweet chocolate bar into pea-sized pieces. Hope you make them and enjoy!

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yep, the instructions are perfect. I may pick up some lindt bars for them because of how nice the texture is. Thank you again for gathering everything for me!

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lindt would be next level. Enjoy!

[–]vitunrotta[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay, there goes my healthy eating habits! Mwahahaa!

I dream of a world where we could all meet up once a week, bake some TERFy goodies and share our experiences, thoughts, ideas (and recipes). ❤️🍪

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are the classic American cookies, so I hope that you try to make them. VERY EASY.

You said you were not in the US, but you probably can get the ingredients except the chocolate chips, maybe. You can cut up a chocolate bar into about 1/2 centimeter chunks as a substitute for chips. Traditionally, semi-sweet chocolate is used, but you can do any chocolate you like (obviously). Maybe cut the sugar a little if you use milk or white chocolate.

Let me know if you do make them - they are YUMMY.

[–]Huffleterf 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I’ve heard the price of vanilla cycles. It gets really cheap so the farmers destroy the crops, the price skyrockets, so the plant more and it gets cheap again. This seems to be true in my experience. I buy a bulk size bottle (like 12oz I think) at the most expensive the big bottle isn’t even available, then it’s like $35. Right now it’s $25, I think $15 is as cheap as I’ve seen it.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, the price has dropped since the last time I bought vanilla. Damn, because I bought a huge bottle because I was sure the price would go up.

I don't know how many women on here bake, but it's one of the things I think might help with generalized anxiety because it's precision work, but a lot of fun with a sense of accomplishment at the end, and you get to eat the results!

Also gardening, including just tending to plants inside, can really help bring a sense of focus and peace. I wish younger people had been taught to do these things because they are a lot better for mental health than looking at anime on the internet.

[–]Dravidian 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I want to make a jar of vanilla sugar, which I would need one vanilla pod and a kilogram of sugar for, but it's so expensive!

[–]IridescentAnaconda 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, in a different world "vanilla shame" would sound like a tasty adult beverage.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I never thought of vanilla being a spice

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you've eaten a cookie or a cake in the US, chances are vanilla is in it.

Now I feel really old, and glad I am, because I was never forced into NON-VANILLA sex and also know how to bake. In fact, last night I made chocolate chip cookies with double vanilla - YUM...

[–]vitunrotta[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Baking is a form of art and I feel that it has only gained traction recently because more and more MEN are into baking now. Before dudes took interest in it baking was, of course, only considered some silly womanly thing. Because we belong in the kitchen anyway, am I right?! /s

I myself am more of a cook - if I make a mistake it's much easier to correct, quite the opposite to baking. Forgot baking powder? Too late now! They're already getting flat in the oven!

I've done some stuff though that I am really proud of, one was a proper Sacher cake. Oh, yum. I also love to intricately decorate ginger cookies (which are a traditional Christmas time treat in my country).

Like I said in another comment, I would love nothing more than to get together with proper 2nd wave feminists, talk, share ideas, EAT DELICIOUS THINGS, arrange events, discuss our experiences from different times etc. etc. One can dream. :)

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think we can get together after COVID. I think, no matter what faces us with the gender ideology astro-turfing in Western countries, people are too connected to their own bodies to actually believe it and there will be a backlash - there already is in the US thanks to J.K. Rowling and Joe Bro Rogan. Many men aren't buying it at all, and once TIMs start demanding sex from straight men I think it will be Game Over.

And yes, we should talk about other things at our future event, like cooking and baking. Womanly things /s I bake and cook because I love to eat - no woman-feelz involved at all.

Your baking sounds delicious - I would love to try your Sacher torte and your cookies! Christmas cookie exchanges are a tradition in the US too, with ginger cookies being a favorite. The problem now is that too few people know how to bake. There's actually been articles on how baking is becoming a lost art in the US.

Many women my age in the US were forced to take a class called Home Economics or similar, where, if we hadn't learned at home (which many of had already) we learned how to sew, cook and bake. I can only imagine the non-binary, Yaoi-obsessed girls of today having to take a class where they learned how to fold napkins and hem pants.

That's kind of what gets me - I forgive the young women for not knowing how hard it was to get the rights women enjoy today, but women like Kamala Harris or even worse, Liz Warren and Dianne Feinstein (a supporter of the Equality Act) - those women know how hard women had to fight because they had to do some of the fighting.

And now all these older female politicians in the US are fully onboard with the Equality Act, which will destroy the rights they fought to get.

I know that Big Pharma and Big Medicine are huge lobbys in the US, but come on? Feinstein is completely corrupt, but does she not care at all about the future she's leaving for her grandkids?

[–]Spikygrasspod 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought it was a delicious orchid.

[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the impression of people who have been dulled by exposure to porn

THIS!

[–]Shesstealthy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Vanilla is, indeed, the most delicious.

[–]TalkToTheVoid 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (62 children)

I almost completely agree with you. I'm not super sure where I've landed on other people doing consensual things in privacy.

What I know I'm super sure about is that shaming anyone for "vanilla" sex is the worst.

Very recently, a friend of mine was shamed by a so called feminist man she met on Tinder, using exactly this word - "vanilla". She said she hasn't tried anal sex and is also not interested in it, and he dismissively called her vanilla. She wasn't as incensed as I was about it, but after we'd discussed it a bit, she did think it warranted some push back. So she told him it isn't cool to shame her for her sex-related boundaries, and he said he "wasn't judging". Really? Why would you feel the need to call a prospective sex-partner boring, if not to judge them as a sex-partner? She then asked him if HE would want to be anally penetrated, since as a man he's got a prostate and will feel it more, and suddenly he was all defensive and "I'm vanilla too". Except he called only her vanilla to begin with when they were discussing sex, and admitted to his own vanillaness only after she pushed back the next time they talked.

It was so obvious he'd never even considered the question. As a straight-man he was so sure he should get to put his penis anywhere he wants to, and a woman who disagrees is being a boring stick in the mud. But his anus is obviously not in play.

This type of man uses "feminist" like a weapon to disarm women. I'm so mad even thinking about him again.

[–]moody_ape 23 insightful - 5 fun23 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 5 fun -  (24 children)

they always assume the penetrated person in anal is going to be the woman. and they expect women to be penetrated in every orifice. 100% of my sexual partners asked for anal sex, including the one who took my virginity. after a having sex with me a few times, there he was "would you do anal sex?". and don't come say "oh are you seriously complaining that the guys politely ask you for anal? they are doing nothing wrong!" well, if they are asking, that's because they expect it. otherwise, they wouldn't even try. besides, i always said no and they always questioned "but why? but many women like it! but i'll be careful not to hurt you! but it can be relly good for you too! but but but!"

i really wish men were the ones to be penetrated in sex everytime because i hate being so vulnerable for the mere possibility or maybe who knows having something that resembles an orgasm.

my philosophy now is: masturbation now, masturbation tomorrow, masturbation forever.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ditto. The question inevitably pops up sooner rather than later, and if you say no, you're a vanilla prude. But my lord if you were to suggest to a guy if you may kindly thrust this 30cm dildo up their butt... We all know how they'd react to that.

Also, as pointed by u/Finnegan7921 "feminist men" are largely just a bunch of pseudointellectual twats who are here to explain feminism for you. (The grace! The nobility! Let us all bow down in front of their unmatched genius!)

I used to date a self-proclaimed "feminist man", who also happened to anally rape me (as a revenge for a previous disagreement). He would also condescendingly teach what the book Madame Bovary was about - to my feminist friend who had a PhD in literature. Truly a gift for women, this bloke. What a self-absorbed, egotistic ballsack of a human that guy is. Blergh.

[–]moody_ape 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i'm really sorry for the violence he commited against you. i despise such beings. and i hate nature for making males and females dimorphic to our disadvantage. i wish i was a parying mantis so i could be the strongest.

it makes me so angry to know i've wasted my time with pieces of shit. one guy had the guts to say i was too feminist and that the things i said were anti-feminist. and i know most women fall for him. he's good looking, charming and a fucking LIAR. and i can't save women from him. he's out there having fun and taking advantage of women who are naive to his manipulative tactics, like i was in the past.

[–]TalkToTheVoid 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any guy who thinks the words "too feminist" is showing a giant red flag. I'm sorry you had to suffer him, and he'll likely continue to be a jerk to the women he meets. It really sucks how so many men abuse their physical and societal advantages :(

[–]TalkToTheVoid 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

LOL. This man seemed exactly like you describe. Unfortunately, my friend continued to see him for a bit though it was all super casual. She was seeing another guy with the same name "X" so we used to refer to this one as "Woke X" because he made such a show of his wokeness, and after a point it was obvious he thinks he's suuuuuch a gift to womenkind because he's a "feminist"!

[–]TalkToTheVoid 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't say it in my previous reply. I realized it after I saw another reply. I'm sorry you had to go through such violence at the hands of a man you probably trusted.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. Yes, he was truly a piece of shit. He did a lot more damage than that - stuff I am dealing with still today.

This guy is very well respected in his circles and is basically considered uomo universale. It makes my blood boil that so many people consider him as some sort of a demigod, when in reality he is a conceited, uppity rapist.

[–]TalkToTheVoid 13 insightful - 8 fun13 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

Hah, I just had a thought. Every time a dude asks for anal sex, the woman should enthusiastically agree and then bring out a dildo and ask him to turn around. Let's see how they like that!

[–]moody_ape 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

now that is my kink

[–]vitunrotta[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YES. 💯

[–]our_team_is_winning 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

It's tempting to say "you know what gets me off? When a guy lets me bite his dick so hard it draws blood. It just leaves LITTLE scabs. They'll heal. Come on! Don't you LOVE me???"

[–]TalkToTheVoid 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

"if they are asking, that's because they expect it" Exactly. They aren't asking thinking you'll enjoy it. They're asking thinking they'll enjoy it, and you're supposed to help them have a good time.

I can understand a man having curiosity, and perhaps he can share he's curious about this activity, not put a woman in the spot of saying yes or no.

They should try having some fucking empathy and consider whether they'd like to be on the receiving end of what they're asking. Nope. A man will "ask", and she then has to defend why she is not on-board with that.

[–]Fuzz 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

I had a female friend complain to me that sex with her boyfriend was always painful/uncomfortable (for her, obviously), but he had suggested they try anal sex and she was hoping that would be better. It's like, yeah, what a GREAT IDEA, he can't manage to interact with your vagina without hurting you, but you want to trust him with your anus? Thankfully she broke up with him not too long after.

[–]TalkToTheVoid 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

And it sounds her boyfriend didn't care that while he was enjoying himself, she was suffering. Smh.

I don't get such men. Isn't their sexual experience diminished by seeing their partner not enjoy the activity? On the one hand it seems like it's brag-worthy for men to be great at sex and give women orgasms, and on the other hand women are told it's normal for them to experience pain during sex and men keep going even when their partner is in pain.

I read somewhere once that a man suggested anal sex to his partner because they didn't have a condom. Like that is the only alternative. Nothing must get in the way of the male orgasm.

[–]moody_ape 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

i think they take pleasure exactly from their partners pain. women are taught to have pleasure from the pleasure we give, but men aren't taught the same. and porn is all about dick hurting women in various ways. besides, if it hurts, it's because is oooh so big! the bigger the better, the bigger the more male, the bigger the more powerful or whatever. i HATE big dicks. honestly, dicks are the least fun part of sex. everything else is more exciting to me than dicks.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

The sea change that's occurred is so sad & damaging. Of course, there have always been men who are sexual sadists and dickheads who get off on their female partners' pain. But when I was growing up (born mid-1950s), many/most teen boys & men took pride in being able to bring teen girls/women to orgasm, and when I was a younger teenager buys often did so by fingering us during make-out sessions with no demand or expectation that we girls reciprocate. (I was making out with boys who got me off for years before I was asked to consider or touch a dick.) And when boys/men were in love, they often placed more emphasis on their female partners' pleasure than on their own:

Roxy Music's "To Turn You On" from 1982: https://youtu.be/P136AgVU5FQ

Also, back then boys & men wanted their love interests to be happy overall:

Bobby Vinton's "Take Good Care of My Baby" from 1961 https://youtu.be/awNqLO6auQA

And instead of pressuring girls & women into anal sex, once upon a time boys & young men were happy just to dance with us and hold our hands:

https://youtu.be/B7X1oUfa8uE

https://youtu.be/jenWdylTtzs

And if they got to make out with a girl, they were over the moon: https://youtu.be/TSpiwK5fig0

[–]moody_ape 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I was making out with boys who got me off for years before I was asked to consider or touch a dick

the amount of envy i'm feeling now... i hope you don't take offense on that hahahah. that was way healthier than what we have today. i wish my experience had been like that. the second guy i kissed already wanted sex. i was in my early 20s, but i was very inexperienced. i didn't even know how to kiss properly and there i was trying to give a blowjob. i feel sorry for that young woman... i wish i could go back in time and stop her. teach her everything i know today.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't take offense at all! Looking back on my experiences compared to what's going on today, I'm amazed at how much sexual pleasure boys gave me back then by putting their hands down my pants & fingering me to orgasm whilst they never grabbed my own hand & put it on their dicks or expected me to have PIV or give them blow jobs or anything else... Back then, it was a given that a girl of 13, 14, 15 even 16 would want to remain a virgin, and that for a guy to expect/demand a girl of that age to give a hand job or blow job was outré & "too much to ask." Back then teen guys complained of "blue balls" all the time, but they accepted having/getting them as just their fate.

When I reached my mid-50s, I went through a "retrosexual" period when I became very curious about old BFs from my youth, & ended up getting in touch with a number of them. One of the reasons was that I wanted to ask about their experiences of what happened between us, to apologize for my sexual selfishness and cluelessness about their sexual needs, & to find out what they had done to get sexual release back then. They all were glad to hear from me, & gracefully (& usually with laughter) accepted my apologies, but they also said they had been very happy - thrilled, in fact - by/with our makeout, feeling-up, fingering & humping sessions - & after & during them they took care of their own sexual needs the way they had been doing since they had begunn puberty, by going into the loo to beat off or "work one out." I was nearly 17 when I first had PIV, and although in the ensuing decade I had an active sex life with a large number of male partners (I'm not promiscuous, really, it was just the 1970s, LOL) hardly any guys I was with with expected or asked for things like hand jobs, blow jobs or 69... But they all loved & wanted to do cunnilingus on me. And it probably goes without saying, never ever did any ask for, suggest, or make any intimations about them sticking their dicks in my ass.

Moody dear, I am so sorry for how society has changed, & for what you have experienced. I'm hugging you virtually right now. And BTW, when I was a girl, we all thought that blow jobs meant huffing and puffing air from our mouths onto a penis like when blowing out birthday candles or what the wolf did in the story of The Three Little Pigs.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dear lord. Yeah, ANAL SEX is definitely the go-to solution when you already feel discomfort during vaginal penetration.

The sad thing is that a lot of men have zero clue what is going on with women's bodies. A lot of guys I've had sex with had a truly peculiar idea of where clitoris is, for example. And many of them would throw a hissy fit if I was to kindly suggest that they were a few miles off... Smh. Also, the "gifted ones" who had managed to learn where clitoris was located used to treat it like it was a panic button and/or piece of steak that just needed to be SLAPPED and vigorously rubbed until it was completely numb.

Seriously, boys need to be forced to take a proper female anatomy class where they're taught what is where, and what kind of treatment is generally painful/pleasurable. Right now they are learning from porn, and we all know how THAT ends up.

(Edit: wording)

[–]Finnegan7921 20 insightful - 6 fun20 insightful - 5 fun21 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

"feminist man" is today's equivalent of the 90s dude taking women's studies 101 just to meet girls. These guys are such bullshit artists.

[–]BEB 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Whenever I hear about anal sex now being demanded of women, and some women saying they like it, I'm baffled because women don't have prostrates, so where is women's pleasure in anal sex?

If a man had asked any of the women I knew growing up for anal sex, he would have been looked at with horror and probably never been spoken to again. It just wasn't done. It was "icky." And it still actually is. Painful and icky.

EDITED TO ADD:

And anal sex is dangerous, because, without lubrication (and even with), and with the woman clenching, it greatly increase the chance for tearing, as well as condom breaking, which greatly increases a woman's chance of contracting HIV.

In the meantime, California schools are teaching young kids how to be porn stars under the guise of sex education and LGBTQ inclusion.

The pedophiles used to be part of the gay rights movement, they only got kicked out by the lesbians in the 1990s if I remember correctly.

Now I think the pedophiles are coming back in: I think that all this "sex positivity" and teaching school kids things like how to rim, is the backdoor way of letting the pedophiles in (no pun intended) because it normalizes what used to be considered depraved sexual acts in the minds of kids before they are even pubescent.

Society is heading into a very dark place and we need to stop it by contacting our schools, finding out what is being taught under the guise of "sex ed" and saying NO.

[–]moody_ape 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

where is women's pleasure in anal sex?

oh, haven't you heard the news? it's empowering. and we all know that the clitoris' stimulation comes directly from the pleasurewomen provide to their partners. /s

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And anal sex is dangerous, because, without lubrication (and even with), and with the woman clenching, it greatly increase the chance for tearing, as well as condom breaking, which greatly increases a woman's chance of contracting HIV.

Anal sex is dangerous especially for women also because the injuries and stretching it causes make it much more likely women will develop problems like painful hemorrhoids, fissures, prolapse and fecal incontinence later on in life - such as during pregnancy and after childbirth, or in middle-age and menopause and in their senior years.

Young people who've never had hemorrhoids can't imagine how excruciating and life-limiting they can be. And they don't seem to understand how common they are already: 50% of the population over 50 of both sexes already has them without any anal sex at all. Women - who are especially vulnerable to hemorrhoids during/after pregnancy, childbirth and menopause - are most likely going to experience them at higher rates if their sex lives involve being anally penetrated, especially forcefully, by dicks, fists and objects.

And hemorrhoids ain't the half of it. For example, amongst today's senior citizens and seniors of the past, it's long been established that women suffer from fecal incontinence at twice the rates of men. And those are women who, with rare exceptions, have never been the recipients of anal penetration during sex.

I really worry about the longterm health of girls & young women who are now coming to think that being penetrated anally - and forcefully - is "normal" and "no big deal." Once they start having children and aging, I fear they are going to find that they've experienced longterm damage that's going to have a terrible impact on their lives.

In a report published this year, 2,109 randomly selected women over age 40 in the Kaiser health system were surveyed (average age 56), and 24% were found to suffer from fecal incontinence (frequency ranged from occasionally to frequently to daily to constantly).

"CONCLUSIONS: Fecal incontinence, a common problem for females, is associated with substantial adverse affects on quality of life."

I fear in another generation or two, the % is gonna be much greater than the already way-too-high 24%.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1557355/

[–]vitunrotta[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

teaching school kids things like how to rim

WHAT. Is this for real. Beam me up, Scotty, I am done with this world...

[–]yishengqingwa666 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

If men want anal sex so badly they should fuck other men. TIMs would be the perfect partner for most men nowadays, since they have prostates. They deserve each other.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not super sure where I've landed on other people doing consensual things in privacy.

This is an important note. I wanted to write more but noticed my text was already getting quite lengthy, so I was hoping we could continue discussing in more nuance in the comment section.

To me personally it doesn't matter what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes (or other private places, to clarify). As long as it's a safe environment and safe partner/s, it's not my business. Not judging anyone who does have a fetish, either, but I wanted to point out the flipside of the coin: that not having a fetish or a kink is suddenly something one should feel bad about. The terrible reality of being VANILLA. And it's being pushed quite aggressively now - one example would be what your friend experienced.

More mature and strong-willed girls/women are likely to refuse suggestions of sexual acts they are not comfortable with, but there are a lot of younger people who are still very much trying to figure out their sexuality and will "consent" to whatever uncomfortable(/degrading) act in order to please their partner. I'd wager that in most cases it's a guy asking for a sexual favour and the one seemingly agreeing to it is a girl. I don't have data to back this up though: this is based on my own experiences, and talking to other women.

These impressionable young girls are the ones I'm mainly worried about, and I'm afraid some of them will come out of these encounters with some sort of trauma; or a twisted idea of what is acceptable and where one needs to draw the line. Exploring sex as a teenager is already a minefield, and now with the constant push of porn it is likely much worse.

(Also - the way your friend handled the situation was perfection. Guys so often suggest anal sex and don't consider at all what they're even asking, until you reverse the question. Then it's all gasps and eews and oh-my-gods. Funny that...)

[–]TalkToTheVoid 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think I completely agree with this comment :)

Perhaps where I struggle is more with the issue of how to encourage knowing and establishing your boundaries (girls as a whole need this more), and respecting boundaries (boys as a whole need this more), while at the same time not making the topic of sex and kinks and fantasies some sort of taboo that can't be discussed. Like you said, it's a more nuanced discussion, and I feel a bit afraid and lost in discussing it. Thank you for bringing it up :)

Also, yes my friend is a pretty bad-ass, strong-willed person :) though she's definitely come to this point after going through other more vulnerable times.

Which reminds me of another issue that bothers me in this vanilla shaming tendency. I think it's likely to hurt those who're already traumatised, more.
I've a different friend who tends to be less strong-willed, has a difficult history with men, including some abuse, and has been affected by society's narrative of "unwed women are worthless". She was convinced by a guy she was seeing to have sex with him multiple times, without protection. She didn't want to, but she felt she had to please him, because he kept making it about how she's being difficult and it would be so much better without condoms. This man was able to push her to violate her own boundaries because she's already weak with holding them. This relationship and that she kept agreeing to doing it his way weighs on her now, several years later.

It's not the same thing, but I think similar mechanisms are at play.

A lot of people, who are already carrying hurts, will give in and do things they're not comfortable with, because the need to be accepted and to please is strong in them, and then the effects will weigh on them and further hurt them.

I think all of this is hard to say without making it like I'm saying all non-vanilla sex is bad.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Very much agree with this. Of course it is not only young girls who may be at risk here: anyone e.g. already traumatized, or who has a lesser understanding of one's boundaries is likely to participate in acts they actually are not comfortable with.

Reminds me of a woman I used to know, she was in her early twenties back then, and had little (if any) experience in sex prior to meeting her boyfriend. If I remember correctly this was her first sexual partner. What the guy used to tell her is that he couldn't come if she was wet: which meant that he'd start pounding her while she was still dry as the Sahara. Needless to say, it hurt - so she told me and another female friend. We were alarmed and told her this was not OK at all and it sounded more like rape than sex. But she only existed to please The Man, of course, so she'd "accept" this was the one and only way to have sex. The guy would also (so she told) laugh at the fact that she had a few odd hairs around her butthole - that was apparently unwomanly and also hilarious. She'd have to shave herself completely, I imagine while holding a microscope to her nether areas to ensure NO horrible stray hairs were visible! The dude himself looked like Oscar the Grouch, by the way...

This just to say that it indeed isn't just young girls that will fall prey to this. I knew this woman around 2012, since then things have gotten far worse - not just for her, but all females, it feels.

I think all of this is hard to say without making it like I'm saying all non-vanilla sex is bad.

I get what you mean. There are distinctions though. Someone smarter already posted about this, but for the life of me I cannot find that reply now. :D Anyway, I totally understand your point. One needn't be anti-fetishist to be against forcing and normalizing porn/kinks to young girls and boys.

[–]MonstrousRegiment 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I totally agree that shaming people for their sexual needs is not a good thing.

That said (you could see that coming, I'm sure) I have a comment based on my experience with a long-term partner who had a variety of fetishes. Sex with this person, for me, was off-putting and dehumanizing because his focus was not on communication with me, but on himself and the thing that turned him on.

On the other hand it's of course perfectly possible to have shitty, uncommunicative sex with a non-fetishist too!

[–]moody_ape 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

[–]jet199 21 insightful - 5 fun21 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

Most of the pro-kink crowd don't really know what a fetish is.

A fetish is not just liking something other than genitals sexually, people with fetishes usually can't be sexually satisfied unless they have their specific kink on hand.

It's actually highly limiting to have a fetish. Boring vanilla people can get turned on by all sorts of stuff, whether they act on it or not, but fetishists are pretty much sterile to everything but their obsession. They are boring people.

Seriously I've had plenty of fetishist friends and they are literally the safest, dullest people on a friendship level, and usually on a personality level too, because all their mental effort goes into organising their overly complex sex libes and finding the unicorns they can get to join in. I mean one of them was a forensic scientist and she could have kept us entertained forever with stories from her work but actually those stories were throwaway asides to her, she much more wanted to tell us all about the problems with eating cold custard off a bloke's hairy arse because that's what she considered important in life.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting take. Had not considered it from that point of view at all.

eating cold custard off a bloke's hairy arse

And hey thanks for making me choke on my rosé. Imagining someone eating cold custard from a dude's hairy butt is an image that is now forever burned on my retinas. :D

[–]moody_ape 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

vanilla people can get turned on by all sorts of stuff, whether they act on it or not, but fetishists are pretty much sterile to everything but their obsession. They are boring people.

you said it all, my friend! i'll definitely use that if i ever have to confront someone who claims to be kinky

[–]Shesstealthy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. Fetishists can't come without looking at a shoe or whatever.

[–]BEB 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

An innate and possibly subconscious rejection of BDSM/sex "positivity"/ painful or degrading sex acts/ sexting is one of the reasons so many girls are now identifying as transgender.

Lib feminism is not feminism at all, it's a men's sexual DEMANDS movement. We need to make that clear to younger women.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

is one of the reasons so many girls are now identifying as transgender.

This is a very crucial point. I suppose there isn't yet any data to back this up, and it's probably too early to start making correlation/causation types of guesses, however it seems very suspicious to me that at the same time that super porny/kinky behaviour is expected from girls and women, more and more of them wish to opt out of womanhood altogether.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm pretty sure that there is SOME research into the connection between the sexual availability now expected from girls and girls transitioning to avoid it, because I keep hearing about it.

If I remember correctly from reading reviews (I haven't read the book yet) Abigail Shrier does talk about this in her book IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE, but I don't know if she cites studies.

Or maybe Lisa Littman in her Brown University study on social contagion of girls identifying as trans did some work on this connection?

If I see anything, I will post it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Shrier in her book points out that adolescent girls today are much less likely to have had sexual experience in real life - from simply kissing to heavy "petting" to acts involving genital contact - than girls of the same age in preceding generations. But at the same time, girls today are much more likely than previous generations to have watched/been exposed to online pornography in which males subject girls/women to abuse, humiliation, degradation, violence & sexual acts that put the females' health at risk (anal penetration by one or more penises, fisting, rosebudding, sunflowering). And they are much more likely to have been force-fed misogynistic gender ideology that equates being female with being a brainless and submissive sex object who is a glutton for punishment & finds being dehumanized and abused by males for male sexual pleasure "empowering" and "liberating" and a measure of "authentic womanhood."

She says that violent porn "terrifies young girls about men and the prospect of sex with them" whilst at the same time trans ideology, pro-trans policies, liberal feminism and media emphasis on matters like the "gender pay gap" mean "young women are intruded on by men in locker rooms, trounced by biological boys on sports teams, and told work life will never offer them fair rewards. Intersectional language denies all their biological specialness. Hollywood - no longer in the rom-com business - offers them no fantasies on which to hang their girlish hopes. The gifts and presumptions of this culture make it hard to imagine why anyone should want to be a girl."

At the same time, she points out, no one has higher status in teen, campus and young adult culture today than trans people do. Plus adopting a trans identity is a shield against criticism coz in the new morality, trans people can do no wrong and no demand or claim made by a trans person is seen as unreasonable or posing an unfair burden on others. So no wonder a girl named Alison whom no one has ever shown respect to would jump at the chance to become Aiden... From bottom of the heap to king of the hill - and all it took was a declaration, a haircut & an announcement of "my pronouns"...

[–]Spikygrasspod 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Nothing wrong with just liking sex and not needing to make it into an elaborate, artificial performance with hierarchical role play that reproduces your internalised misogyny. Kink isn't spicy. It's an artificial flavour enhancer for people who burnt out their taste receptors with porn.

[–]jelliknight 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reminds me of a Terry Pratchett quote:

“He'd noticed that sex bore some resemblance to cookery: it fascinated people, they sometimes bought books full of complicated recipes and interesting pictures, and sometimes when they were really hungry they created vast banquets in their imagination - but at the end of the day they'd settle quite happily for egg and chips. If it was well done and maybe had a slice of tomato.”

[–]moody_ape 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Vanilla people have sex under the blankets, in the dark, once a week, in a missionary position.

you just described heaven hahaha

the irony is: vanilla is an actual spice

[–]vitunrotta[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Aye, nothing wrong with that type of sex either - but MY GOD PLEASE NO BLANKETS! (It's been 35C (95F) where I live for weeks now and just thinking about blankets makes me sweat.) :D

[–]missdaisycan 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

When I first found Redt, I was amazed at the women who were quick to jump into 'my boyfriend did xyz' posts kink explaining , defending; kink proselytizers. That behavior is usually exhibited, IME, by people desperate to justify their own behavior to themselves, especially in attempting to pressure other woman to enter into the practice - the more who participate = "this practice really is normal, and the nagging feeling I'm having about it being not quite right can be dismissed." So very sad and alarming. It really read as desperation sometimes. Those women even posted their lengthy 'splains on Radfem subs. Call me not niceTM but that behavior is not feminist. Do your thing, but don't recruit others into the hell you've chosen for yourself. (Strangulation specifically)

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[–]BEB 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's what I noticed too with women who are into BDSM - that they had to constantly talk about how great it was in order to justify it to themselves.

What's truly frightening is that I watch a lot of non-US TV shows and in countries that still have very real oppression of women, BDSM is now sometimes portrayed as something cool by the wealthy, hip characters. It's like the TV creators are trying to gaslight women who still routinely get beaten by their rage-filled husbands into thinking domestic violence is something that they should enjoy sexually.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

that behavior is not feminist

Agree 1000%. Seems to me these types of women/girls are trying to explain their own valid feelings away... And it truly is sad, and bothersome. And NOT feminist, no matter how many words you twist and turn and how much you wish to bargain that it's all well and good.

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

attempting to pressure other woman to enter into the practice - the more who participate = "this practice really is normal

100%! Exactly. I posted against choking and said "I KNOW some of you here are going to say I'm kink-shaming" and sure enough, some posted that they LIKE being choked. Some people also get off on watching a woman in heels squash the life out of a small animal ("crush videos") -- so I'm supposed to say "different strokes for different folks" and be okay with that? NO!

[–]anxietyaccount8 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah, I used to feel quite insecure, literally as a teenage girl, for being too "vanilla". Fuck anybody who thinks sending that message to young girls is appropriate...

It's so funny, I've never heard of a young man feeling too vanilla for disliking femdom? Not even once. I wonder why that could be?

[–]BEB 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I feel like society is now doing its best to dis-empower young women very deliberately.

I think back to my high school years and even though we were in the thick of the early 1970s, and women still had to fight for basic rights, most girls were feistier than they are now. More sure of themselves in some more intrinsic way.

Maybe because for the last seven or eight years, girls in the US have been bombarded with "sex positivity'" at the same time biological sex is being deconstructed to seem to be meaningless.

I would hate to be young now; girls are being indoctrinated into a new kind of helplessness.

[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It used to be girls were taught/raised to have low self-esteem. Now it seems the world is conspiring to cause girls & young women to have no self-esteem. Girls and young women now are expected to embrace, enthusiastically participate in, celebrate and revel in their own degradation and disempowerment. And they are often the first ones to "call out," censure, shame and try to silence/censor anyone who points out what's happening and the tragic consequences of it. Especially if those doing the pointing out are older women, coz the prevailing ethos today isn't just thoroughly anti-female, it's also incredibly ageist against middle-aged & older women especially. And mothers, though that's the same as it ever was.

[–]our_team_is_winning 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the prevailing ethos today isn't just thoroughly anti-female, it's also incredibly ageist against middle-aged & older women especially.

Hear ye, hear ye! The era of photoshop and filters is the most youth-centric ever and I don't see any respect for the elders, who have more experience and have learned how things turn out. Some are aruging the voting age should be lowered to 16. The human brain isn't fully developed until 25.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wish I could like this comment a thousand times. The disempowerment is so cunningly hiding behind the "woke" veil that for many it is hard to distinguish what's actually progressive and what is truly regressive. The cult-like push for sex/porn-positivity and the simultaneously existing cancel culture are a match made in hell... A "movement" that essentially does nothing but make girls and women "want" to be kinky pornstars. If you disagree, you'll be shunned by the oh-so-accepting libfem crowd.

In years to come we'll see the true damage all of this will have caused. I hope at least some women will start opening their eyes before it's too late, and reject the pseudofeminism that libfems are touting.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think back to my high school years and even though we were in the thick of the early 1970s, and women still had to fight for basic rights, most girls were feistier than they are now. More sure of themselves in some more intrinsic way.

One of the differences is back then the importance of being "inner directed" rather than solely "outer directed" was widely accepted and seen as healthy for both sexes. Personality & strength of will were seen as coming from within, and even if we had low-self esteem, insecurities and body-image issues (as we all did), we all knew it was important to try to develop a core sense of self and self-worth that was stable and not subject to being constantly buffeted, shaken and possibly destroyed by the comments, glances, views, criticisms of other people (real, perceived or wholly imagined) - as well as by all the vagaries of life.

Moreover, back then there was a lot of emphasis on developing life skills and becoming competent in varied areas. And most of us had after-school jobs of all sorts from a pretty early age, so we learned the satisfaction of completing tasks, doing a job well done (even when they were menial tasks and the jobs were crappy), and of earning our own money and paying taxes and generally "making a contribution to the world." Plus, back then kids of both sexes tended to have so much more independence from an early age... which led us to having much more of a sense of mastery over our environment and seeing ourselves as full-fledged participants in the real-life world and members of society. Yes, girls & women were excluded, discriminated against, harassed, abused and at risk of physical assault simply for being female, but many of us still had more of a sense of belonging in the world and to our communities and an idea that we all had something to contribute.

Today, growing up for so many young people no longer seems to be about developing their unique personalities, learning a host of different and varied skills, becoming competent in many areas, earning money, being independent, standing on your own two feet, spreading your wings, making a real contribution, being of service, seizing the day, seeing the world and so on. For so many in the financially well-off West today, adolescence and early adulthood seems to be largely about acquiring and asserting a ready-made, stock "identity" or set of "identities" selected off a superstore shelf or picked from online catalogue, then donning all the surface trappings supposedly that go along with & prove that identity/ies - then expecting and demanding that everyone else in the world "recognize," "respect" and "validate" your identity/ies by constantly making approving noises and fawning over your fashion choices, hairstyle, body modifications, and all the labels you've chosen applied to yourself - along with giving you props for how well you walk in lockstep to the prevailing ideology and parrot all the "right" phrases and employ the accepted "arguments" ("you're denying trans people's existence!" "that's transphobic!" "you're a hater!" "intersex"...) Sadly, that's not a way to obtain a genuine sense of self-worth or happiness. And it sure doesn't amount to living an authentic life and being true to your deepest self.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My finger is pointed at the postmodernist "intellectuals" who first dreamed up the 3rd wave of feminism, and the emphasis on individuality and identity (while embracing misogynist religions and so on).

Since it started becoming more and more normalized, I begun seeing intersectional feminism for what it really was: bunch of BS. I don't think the people who were originally behind the movement had malicious intentions, however it seems pretty clear to me that this beautiful new ideology was invented in some upper-class university, where affluent "geniuses" thought they had solved all the problems of feminism and the entire world. Like it was some magic cure to everything. (More like snake oil, in my opinion.) In the meantime, e.g. working/lower class women were duly forgotten and pushed aside as uneducated morons. And when you're cast aside like a piece of trash, where would you turn to? Well, possibly to the opposite side.

Not sure if I'm making much sense here. :) But I do think that the rise of 3rd wave had a terrible impact on the U.S. presidential elections in 2016, for example. Someone smarter has probably already studied this. Will see if I actually manage to find out any interesting articles about the subject (hopefully from somewhere else than some super right-wing religious site that loves to blame all types of feminists of EVERYTHING.)

[–]VioletRemi 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Sounds like kids in school are shaming others with word "Default", meaning that they are poor and playing Fortnite with default skin-costume.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Mmm, the bitter taste of prepubescent class warfare...

[–]VioletRemi 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Fortnite owner is very active on Twitter and loves to push such stuff on players. Recently he tried to use kids fortnite players to attack Apple twitter and push on Apple (with in-game propaganda adverts), because of his company have some court issues with Apple.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, sounds like a commendable human being indeed. /s What is it with these guys?! It's also alarming how e.g. Twitter handles these types of people and situations (or better yet, how they do NOT handle anything at all).

Seems pretty clear to me - if you are rich and powerful, you can tout whatever BS on Twitter and not even get a slap on the wrist. Every few months a spokesperson from Twitter or Facebook etc. will come out and assure us that NOW things are better, they have safeguards in place, blah blah, all that jazz. White noise is all that it is, and things continue just as before.

[–]VioletRemi 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Twitter will rather ban women and lesbians, than them. Because those money and Trans Inc. are paying money directly. American corporate culture and "american dream" idea are so disgusting during the internet age!

But yeah, it always was like this: "I can do whatever I want - I'm rich, I'm famous, and I'm bigger than you" - Don Johnson.

And about fortnite, they showing this video in-game for young kids who playing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euiSHuaw6Q4

Doing their own version of 1984 by mocking 1984.

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So glad you made a separate thread about this, OP!

Like I said on the other thread yesterday, I wonder if vanilla has come into use as a pejorative - especially when it comes to sex - in this misogynistic, gynophobic era because the word vanilla is linked to/comes from the word vagina?

According to the Oxford dictionary, vanilla originated in the mid 17th century from the Spanish vainilla "pod," a diminutive of vaina "sheath or pod," which in turn derives from Latin word vagina "sheath."

Given its etymology, I'd say that the using vanilla as a pejorative in any context is inherently misogynistic, & the idea that "vanilla sex" is sex that is uncool, boring and inferior is a slur against sex that involves a vagina - and centers & is pleasing to many of us people with vaginas.

I'm not saying people who "vanilla shame" are consciously aware that the very word vanilla is inherently linked to vagina. But maybe it's one of those ideas that are out there in what used to be called the "collective unconscious" or the "cultural soup" that people subliminally grasp without it really registering in the forefront of our minds.

[–]Huffleterf 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It makes me really sad that I have to appreciate having a partner who is into “vanilla” sex and respecting my body and boundaries, his behavior should be the standard, not an outlier.

I’m reminded of something I saw on a tv show or movie where a character was saying something like “don’t shame be because I don’t have to attach a car battery to my nipples to get off!” I wish I could remember more. It may have been Two and a Half Men, with Alan saying it to Charlie.

I wouldn’t want to be a teenager today, it really is no wonder why so many are asexual, pansexual, transexual, nonbinary, queer, etc. It also makes sense why young girls are into Yaoi porn, it seems to be the only “cool” vanilla porn.

[–]jelliknight 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Vanilla is fucking delicious.

Mutually pleasurable sex is also delicious

[–]vitunrotta[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wholly agreed.

[–]Lesbionia 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Vanilla = sex that actually feels good and doesn’t involve risking your life/getting beat up. Sounds pretty good to me.

[–]Comatoast 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Vanilla sex is still sex, and they're making judgements on it for not meeting their standards and screeching about kinkshaming when a judgement is made in return. My kink is having sex that doesn't involve my butthole turning inside out. Guess I'm just not cool enough to be in their nasty ass club, and too much of an asshole to not comment about it when it's brought up to me. Good.

[–]RedditHatesLesbians 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Read this as "vanilla shake" for some reason and got really confused.

Anyway, any form of feminism that gives men boners isn't feminism.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Is it just me, or does this depiction of a vanilla flower sorta resemble the part of female genital anatomy crucial that's central to female sexual pleasure?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla#/media/File:VanillaFlowerLongitudinalSection-en.png

[–]Shesstealthy 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's a byproduct of porn and consumerism myself

[–]vitunrotta[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Porn is a MASSIVE business and is currently thriving. Due to the gigantic, ever-growing demand they are pushing out more and more "kinky" porn as well. Porn + capitalism = truly a chilling match.

If you're interested (and not easily shocked...) read the book Pornland by Gail Dines. It gives you a very clear idea of what is happening in the porn industry at large and how it impacts not only the porn actors, but the people who watch it.

[–]Daraincork 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

As some aristocratic lady said in reference to 69 , ' If it's natural why is it so difficult?'

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy introspection, Batman! Yes, OP. It is.

Now, let's see what else changed if you mentally wind the clock back to when you think this really got bad. Maybe you'll notice some other topics?