Anyone else reading "Irreversible Damage?" Here's a chilling excerpt...

submitted by vitunrotta from self.GenderCritical

Mind you, the entire book will likely make you lose your marbles: I'm halfway through myself and it is an infuriating read to say the least.

This specific chapter speaks of one of the young girls who were seduced by the trans cult. Here's a short snippet:

“Often, various adults—mostly, men identifying as trans women—would ask to “sext.” By fourteen, she was too curious and far too agreeable not to comply. On the occasions when she demurred, they accused her of “kink shaming,” making them feel bad about their sexual predilections—a mortal sin in these online communities. Often, when Benji tried to assert a sexual boundary, her adult interlocutors would accuse her of transphobic oppression. The last thing she ever wanted was to upset them.”

(Excerpt From: Shrier, Abigail. “Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters.”)

I'm trying to read the book in short segments in order to prevent an aneurysm. And there's still half to go! If you hear a loud sound of explosion in the upcoming months, it's likely my head.

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[–]materialrealityplz 47 insightful - 3 fun47 insightful - 2 fun48 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

I hate the idea of kink-shaming. Having boundries and being a prude, fucking fine and good. People should kink-shame all they fucking want.

[–]BEB 46 insightful - 4 fun46 insightful - 3 fun47 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Just more proof that Third Wave feminism was a men's sexual rights movement.

[–]BEB 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I should have said Men's Sexual DEMANDS movement.

Just like it's not Trans Rights Activism, it's Trans DEMANDS Activism

[–]MarkTwainiac 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The word you're looking for is libertinism. What today's GITs (gender ideology tyrants) are pushing is male libertinism masquerading as a liberation movement that will free us all.

Oxford definition of libertine: a person, especially a man, who behaves without moral principles or a sense of responsibility, especially in sexual matters

[–]vitunrotta[S] 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Especially so because it always seems to me that these people who are being "kink-shamed" are veering on pedophilia (like the TiM's in this excerpt) or some other sexual deviancy. In essence, yet another super woke way to make abusive behaviour acceptable, and the so-called progressives are cheering them on! Intersectional feminists at the helm, as usual.

[–]goobandit 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Strangulation is a huge red flag in domestic violence for worse violence in the future and potential homicide. But by all means, “choke me, Daddy,” right?

[–]BEB 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I watch a lot of non-US entertainment and have seen a dark trend, especially out of Latin America, of BDSM being normalized.

In one show, the hero starts to strangle his sex partner but then they don't show the rest. What is ironic is that the same show made a big deal about how awful domestic violence is, showing brutal scenes of a woman being beaten by her lover in which you're obviously meant to be shocked and horrified.

Another Mexican (?) show had two lovers - always rich, white-looking people - bring out bondage gear and whips. This particular show seemed to be aimed at an uneducated audience, so what message do average women take out of watching rich, white Mexicans prepare to handcuff and whip each other as sexual gratification?

Nothing good.

My point being that the BDSM gas-lighting seems to be going on in many parts of the world. Who does it benefit? Not women.

[–]goobandit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There’s a lot of colorism in Mexican culture and it’s tied to class. Tall, rich, white; short, brown, poor.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I have noticed that speaking to immigrants from Latin America and watching Latin American shows. Mexicans seem to dislike blacks whereas Columbians seem to be more comfortably multi-racial. But that's just my impression, I know almost nothing.

[–]julesburm1891 21 insightful - 5 fun21 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

The sex positive crowd somehow ended up being bigger, more controlling assholes than the abstinence crowd at my childhood baptist church.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well that’s... certainly an achievement 😅

[–]slushpilot 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. If you normalize something in a way that you can't criticize it anymore, then it's no longer a kink. But, there's always something else just beyond the re-established boundary to call "kinky" again... and so it advances. The slippery slope is real.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's literally just sexualised domestic violence. You could go through a list of bdsm activities and you could find them all in domestic violence cases. Maybe not 1 = 1 but e.g. for bondage you might find examples of restricting movement by locking someone in a room, pinning them down, grabbing their arms so they can't move, not letting them leave the house.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, which is what makes it so frightening that not only is it normalized by "feminists" but anyone who won't participate is made fun of, and we know what being made fun of does to adolescents.

[–]TurkishCoffee 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Back in the before times, when people were less crazy (women were women and men were men....). that's not even remotely what kink shaming meant. (And it shouldnt, but i realize it now is used that way and its nonsense).

Kink shaming meant leaving what two consenting adults. did, in their own bedroom. in private, was their business. and if shared in a space that asked to know about that business, you didn't get to bitch and moan or complain about what other people did.

Now it's used as boundary pushing which is all sorts of complete assininse nonsense.

[–]luckystar 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

TiMs gaslighting TiFs into thinking they're the oppressors is quite common actually: https://simplereceipts.wordpress.com/2018/12/05/original-callout-for-eli-erlick/ https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/transwoman-activist-cherno-biko-confesses-to-raping-a-transman.1068515/

It's some of the most flagrant examples of how gender ideology is just a thinly veiled shield for blatant misogyny. Play around with words and suddenly men (transwomen) are the most oppressed and women (transmen) have to make themselves even smaller and focus even more on the poor feelings of these "oppressed" men

[–]BEB 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

DARVO tactics, the trans demands activists are experts at it.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stunning and brave indeed.

[–]MarkTwainiac 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Good interviews with Ben GNC here:

https://youtu.be/QAMar22S0ck

https://youtu.be/xP7nLI_Hizo

And here is Ben on her own channel - GNC Centric - brilliantly explaining how/why as a young lesbian she believed herself to be a gay man:

https://youtu.be/hnkuEsGFcUY

[–]vitunrotta[S] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

(Only checked the last clip because my attention span is that of a fruit fly currently... But saved the longer videos for later.)

She is so well-spoken and introspective - kudos to her. I hope more and more girls and women who have internalized lesbophobia will watch her speak and hopefully a little lightbulb will start shimmering.

Side note - she only learned about clitoris and female orgasm at the age of 18? Wow. Unsure where she is from but good lord, what kind of sex ed is given to young people nowadays?! Just anal sex and rimjobs or what?

[–]MarkTwainiac 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Ben is really bright, incisive and well-spoken. And so calm in her manner and delivery too.

she only learned about clitoris and female orgasm at the age of 18? Wow. Unsure where she is from but good lord, what kind of sex ed is given to young people nowadays?! Just anal sex and rimjobs or what?

I believe she grew up and still lives in Canada. But to the point of her not learning about the clitoris and female orgasm til age 18: I think this shows how far she was into the trans cult, and how deep her internalized misogyny and lesbophobia went. She's clearly highly intelligent, and her story shows that she was online all the time from an early age, is tech savvy and probably is excellent at doing internet searches. Yet she was so horrified by being female and so intent on distancing herself from everything and anything to do with female bodies, female sexuality and female people that it probably never occurred to her back then to look up info about female anatomy and female sexual pleasure. Her horror would have precluded her from even wondering or asking about such matters.

Yet somehow she managed to "snap out of it" - which I think is a credit to her vast intelligence, strength and resilience.

Also, from what I've heard her say, she was put on anti-depressants (SSRIs?) at an early age, and remained on them for years. As she has noted, the anti-depressants interfered with her being able to experience her own sexual feelings and adolescent sexual awakening, and I imagine it might have impaired her in other ways too. Kids should not be put on these drugs unless an absolute emergency. And if they are put on them, it should be for the shortest possible time.

In the pre-SSRI era, anti-depressants such as Nortriptyline were recommended only short term - everyone was encouraged to try to go off them after 6 months or a year. And after the first SSRI, Prozac, came on the market in 1989/90, it and the other SSRIs that followed were still seen as drugs that should only be used short-term. (To this day, none of 'em have been tested for longer than 6 weeks - yes, that's weeks, not months.) But now people are staying on these meds for years and years... and funny thing, rates of depression and anxiety are only going up - way up - not down.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Good points. The SSRI's - I believe she actually mentions this in the video - probably also played a huge part in all of this. It does make sense she would deny any form of female sexuality, yet it still begs the question: did she simply not attend any sex ed classes, did she refuse to listen, or is female anatomy etc. simply not taught in schools anymore?

Her "snapping out of it" is indeed thanks to her intellect and ability to think by herself and defy the trans-cult which had been fed to her for years. It must have been difficult, yet she managed. So glad she made it out, yet it makes me even more worried about girls who may not have her level of resilience - for a multitude of reasons - and who'll just trudge along the trans alley until it's too late.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, you're right, it does raise the questions about sex ed. I have no idea what they teach in Canada, or how easy it is for kids in Canada to cut classes or attend them and "zone out."

I too worry about all the girls without Ben's intellectual gifts and strength of personality. Your description of them "trudging along the trans alley" to a no-woman's world is excellent. What's going on today is like something out of a dystopian novel about a really sick, twisted, destructive, evil society. I fear we're living amidst a time when Western civilization, such as it is, is collapsing, as civilizations tend to do; who'd a thunk that the information age would've ended up ushering in not an era of enlightenment but a new dark ages?

[–]vitunrotta[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Been wondering the same. We suddenly have all the information in the world, literally in our pockets - yet more and more people opt out of any logical, fact-based reality and instead turn to e.g. conspiracy theories (whose level of craziness varies). I'm not an expert, historian, sociologist etc. but I can see at least a few things that have happened that MAY be the reason we're now seemingly witnessing the downfall of our societies:

  • The incredibly fast growth of internet. I tend to think that we simply were not quite smart enough to deal with the whole concept. While it has been very useful in some instances, it has become absolutely sinister in others.

  • Social media platforms using algorithms that follow your every search, like and comment - and then concoct the "perfect" array of sites and/or people you might like. You're then effectively shut out from seeing the other side at all, and when you're locked inside your own perfect little bubble of hivemind it's easy to dismiss any other opinions.

  • News publications blatantly appeasing a certain political crowd only; facts don't matter or they'll be twisted to support whichever political side they fall on to. (And it seems there are only TWO sides now: the neonazis and ultra liberals: if you say anything at all that might not be "super progressive" you'll be called a racist and a nazi - if you say anything at all that might not be "right wing" you're a wimpy boot licking liberal.) Open, honest discourse seems to be a thing of the past. Every word and event and person is politicized.

  • The invention of fake news. This blatantly idiotic idea swept across the planet like a wildfire and I don't know if there's a way back. Maybe if we'd start seeing more publications reporting neutrally? Then again that would mean you as a journalist would likely go against the owner of whichever publication you work for - and your factual reporting won't ever make it to the papers (heh, I'm still living in the past era where newspapers were made of PAPER, I have tremendous difficulty saying "news sites" instead.)

  • Finally, the ever-growing cancel culture. Say anything that opposes the "accepted" status quo (GC ideology is a very good example) and BOOM! Cancelled. Bullied. Doxxed. So, reasonable people fear the inevitable backlash and also understand they may risk their jobs and livelihoods by outing their opinions = they remain quiet, and so all the WrongThink will continue to diminish, little by little. Honestly, we have already witnessed so many experts being kicked out of their jobs by stating mere facts. It's understandable that the Average Jane/Joe, having seen this, thinks: well damn that, I won't say a thing.

There are probably thousands of other reasons, big and small, that are playing parts in this collapse. These were the first few that came to mind.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Excellent post. The only thing I would add is that companies have bought up media outlets and control the content in order to profit from the propaganda.

Democracy Now! which positions itself as the flagship "independent" news outlet in the US, is actually heavily funded by the gender lobby, which reflects in its spewing gender propaganda to the US's Far Left.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you! And yes, totally agree. I'd also add that the ever growing economical inequality on its own is a MASSIVE reason for a lot of things that we are witnessing now. People are becoming more and more desperate (especially now with Coronavirus wreaking havoc around the world) - and when you become desperate, you will also desperately look for someone to point your finger at.

Funnily enough it never seems to e.g. be the billionaires who are breezily swimming through this truly excellent year of 2020... And in the U.S., even the President who has failed in every way & form to keep the virus (and country!) in control faces surprisingly little opposition. One can hope some things will change in the near future, but I sure ain't holding my breath.

Anyway, I digress. I suppose this topic would deserve its very own thread, as it is something we can only overcome if we'd dissect every aspect of it and try to find solutions - instead of stubbornly pointing fingers. And we people are SO good at coming together and thinking constructively, eh, eh? Right? /s

[–]MarkTwainiac 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, vitunrotta, what you've said here does deserve its own thread. Hope you make one!

[–]our_team_is_winning 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Just watching the third video and she says she learned lesbians were "someone who identified as a woman attracted to someone else who identified as a woman" -- that right there is the problem. Why are they teaching this "identifies as" crap. Lesbians are women. Woman is not something you "identify with" -- you just are. It's the transhumanists at work, thinking you can remove the self from the body. She reminds me a bit of Chastity Bono. She should have just been a lesbian. Clearly men hate lesbians the worst because how dare women have zero interest in serving men. I thought anti-depressants were verboten to under-18s. Obviously not. Scary. I think women writing gay men's romance is a whole other can of worms, but any young lesbians (or non-lesbians) who think they identify as gay men, should really spend a lot of time around actual gay men. I think that would shatter the myth ;) Ben's "phantom penis hallucinations" really make me sad. "Misattribution of arousal" -- I learned a new term. What I got from this overall is that young teens are far too overexposed to sex and not normal sex as part of life either, but highly pornified excessive amounts. Ben is very brave and honest. More young women need to watch these, lesbian or not, to understand what is happening to young women these days and fight back. I like when she's talking about sexting a guy and saying had she seen him in front of her, the fantasy would have stopped. Again, "boys love" fans are getting this fake glamorous idea of actual gay men's lives. It reminds me of women who fall in love with vampire stories. So sad that she says (if I get it right) that the idea of being with a man as a female was so upsetting that the only way she could handle it was if she too were a man. The good news is you can be female and not be in a relationship with a man! (And that includes heterosexual women too!)

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

It used to be that people had RL feelings, sensations and experiences that they/we perceived as novel, unexpected and thrilling, and they/we tried to come up with names and descriptions of these feelings, sensations and experiences afterwards.

With Ben and her generation (and many other young people nowadays) this seems entirely flipped around: they first name/label the feelings, sensations and experiences they think they should have in conformity to the narrow "identities" and rigid ideologies they've chosen to embrace, then they go seek interactions with others that will "validate" their identities and ideologies and will also generate the feelings, sensations, experiences that they've already decided are the feelings, sensations, experiences they should and are allowed to have.

I know I sound like an fogey when I say this, but I really think today's yoof would be better off if their recreational drugs were LSD, cocaine, Ecstasy, speed, booze and such rather than cross-sex hormones, gender doctrinism and authoritarianism.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought anti-depressants were verboten to under-18s. Obviously not. Scary.

BBC story July 2018:

The number of antidepressants prescribed to children in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland has risen over the past three years, figures obtained by BBC's File on 4 reveal.

The steepest increase was seen in the youngest patients, those aged 12 and under, where the number of prescriptions rose on average by 24%, from 14,500 to almost 18,000.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-44821886

Mirror article July 2020:

Shocking NHS figures show there were 703 prescriptions (for anti-depressants) for one-year-olds in England over five years.

From 2015 to 2019, 188 two-year-olds, 285 three-year-olds, 381 four-year-olds and 718 five-year-olds were put on (anti-depressant) pills.

A patient tracker database in the USA reported finding that in 2019, 2,148,971 minors age 17 and under were taking anti-depressants. This included more than 33,000 kids age 5 and under. Among the under-5 set, nearly 8,000 babies under age one were on them!

Equally scary, more than 300,000 kids in the USA under 5 were on anti-anxiety meds, including more than 80,000 babies under age one.

More than 61,000 children in the US under-5 were on anti-psychotic meds, including 2,237 babies under age one.

Scary as hell.

https://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/children-on-psychiatric-drugs/

[–]purrfect 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I totally believe that, because that's what they also say openly on Twitter, although coated in nicer language sometimes. Rejecting trans people (transwomen, let's be honest here) is oppressive and therefore unacceptable. Men have never dealt well with rejection and that's something society should start taking seriously. You know, instead of sex education, where teenagers have to learn about blowjobs, kinks and anal sex, schools should keep it to basics, when it comes to sex and dedicate more time to protection, contraception AND detecting predatory behavior. Young people should learn how to detect and deflect coercive arguments and also how to deal with rejection, particularly young men.

By the way, Benji is freaking awesome ❤️️

[–]vitunrotta[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

detecting predatory behavior

This! I'm not sure if it would work were it combined with sex ed - teens might think it's just clueless adults trying to "erase" their transfeelings. I'm no teacher, I don't have kids - so I'm not sure what would be the best way to go at it.

All kinds of predatory behaviour and grooming happens on the internet though: I think it would be crucial to start teaching kids early on how to recognize these people for who they are, and to tell their parents instantly if they detect any abnormal/uncomfortable advances - especially so if it has to do with sexuality.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Grown men grooming young children is a tale as old as time, but it's now woke to do so! How fun. /s

[–]WildwoodFlower 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where were this kid's parents when all of this was going on? A 14-year-old should not be texting (let alone "sexting") with adult strangers-- period. I haven't read the book, but it sure sounds like the grown-ups who were supposed to be protecting this child failed big time!

[–]vitunrotta[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She had quite a tumultuous family life and eventually her parents divorced (hopefully not too many “spoilers”.) it’s no excuse of course but might explain why her parents had no clue.

Then again... whose parents DO know what their teenagers do with their phones? The younger generation is also incredibly tech savvy.

[–]divingrightintowork 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I buy that, I've had any number of sexual interactions with men, where I indicate I don't want to do a thing they want to do, and they become upset or angry or raise their voice and demand to know why not, etc. I don't see why Tim's would be any different.

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

TIMs in the US have a lifetime incarceration rate between 19-65% whereas the general population's lifetime incarceration rate is 3%.

So TIMs in the US, for whatever reason (and some of it is probably prostitution and drug use/selling) go to jail at an exponentially higher rate than even men.

Transgenders also have a much higher rate of being admitted to the hospital for mental health issues. IIRC it was 40% of their hospital admissions.

Transgenders also have a much higher rate of autism and, with TIMs, personality disorders.

[–]divingrightintowork 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I believe you, though I'd be curious to know where you get your numbers from, so I have a better things to cite in my own discussions in other audiences.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

These are all studies I have bookmarked but it would take me awhile to find.

Abigail Shrier's book I think would have statistics about the rate of mental health conditions in "transgender' children. Lisa Littman's Brown University study might too.

Here's the TIM lifetime incarceration source:

PRISON HEALTH June 2018 Creating, Reinforcing, and Resisting the Gender Binary: A Qualitative Study of Transgender Women’s Healthcare Experiences in Sex-Segregated Jails and Prisons Reisner

Lifetime estimates of incarceration range from 19% to 65% among transgender women (Reisner et al., 2014, Garofalo et al., 2006, Clements et al., 1999, Grant et al., 2011), compared to less than 3% of the U.S. general population (Glaze and Kaeble, 2014).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5992494/

[–]divingrightintowork 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks so much! That's really helpful.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For more information on "transgender" kids from a skeptical view try this very informative site - look under the "RESEARCH" tab:

https://4thwavenow.com/

This is another very informative site about "transgender" kids.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/

Both these sites will probably have the information you're looking for.

[–]Dabitch 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, I am. I bought it for the cover (I am an absolute sucker for good book cover designs), and started reading it, fully expecting to be angry about it. But man, I had to put it down because it's so infuriating and I feel terrible for all these young girls.

If you hear a loud sound of explosion in the upcoming months, it's likely my head.

Or mine.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just finished it now, actually (binged it after all, no self control, hah!) and yeah... Get ready for some pretty aggravating commentary especially from so-called "specialists."

Worth the read though. And I like how the author approaches the topic - allowing you to come to your own conclusions rather than pointing the finger (although she gets a weeee bit snappy on a few topics, which is more than understandable. :D)